TRUMP on Obamacare

[Matt1970]

Let me get this straight ……
We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care
plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t,
which purportedly covers at least ten million more people,
without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,
written by a committee whose chairman
says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but
exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes,
for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect,
by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare,
all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,
and financed by a country that’s broke!!!!!

‘What the hell could possibly go wrong?

 

[sMiLeYz]

trump sounds mad

 

[sunzt]

no benefits for 4 years? srlsy?

 

[blackangst1]

Other than a serious shortage of doctors nothing will go wrong.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Has he declared bankruptcy again or gotten another divorce lately?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Why should I care any more about what Donald Trump thinks about these issues than, say, Justin Bieber?

 

[nine9s]

passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but
exempted themselves from it,

I do not understand why the so-called liberal media allows Republicans to get away with this lie. Congress is not exempt. Starting in 2014, the Federal government will no longer offer any member of Congress nor any congressional staff any health insurance outside of the ACA. They will either have to buy insurance through a spouse's employer, buy from an exchange, as other individuals do, or pay the penalty.

Here is the exact code, within the ACA, on the matter:

Section 1312 of the Affordable Care Act reads as follows:
(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.-(i) REQUIREMENT.-Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are-
(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or
(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act.)

Again, if the news media is so liberally biased, as Republicans claim, why would it allow Republicans to keep lying about this. Are they both so clueless that they really do not know this? How hard would it be to research it - I found it with a simple internet search that took less than 5 minutes.

 

[fskimospy]

nine9s, the answer will be that although they were wrong this time they know in their hearts that the media is still part of a vast liberal conspiracy all the rest of the time when you aren't looking.

As for our good friend Donald, he's a birther. I have no possible clue why we would expect him to be able to analyze a health care bill when he can't even read a birth certificate.

 

[nine9s]

As for our good friend Donald, he's a birther. I have no possible clue why we would expect him to be able to analyze a health care bill when he can't even read a birth certificate.

Nice one.

 

[Matt1970]

I do not understand why the so-called liberal media allows Republicans to get away with this lie. Congress is not exempt. Starting in 2014, the Federal government will no longer offer any member of Congress nor any congressional staff any health insurance outside of the ACA. They will either have to buy insurance through a spouse's employer, buy from an exchange, as other individuals do, or pay the penalty.

Here is the exact code, within the ACA, on the matter:

Section 1312 of the Affordable Care Act reads as follows:
(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.-(i) REQUIREMENT.-Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are-
(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or
(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act.)

Again, if the news media is so liberally biased, as Republicans claim, why would it allow Republicans to keep lying about this. Are they both so clueless that they really do not know this? How hard would it be to research it - I found it with a simple internet search that took less than 5 minutes.

It's because the media typicly doesn't like to get into keeping tabs on who lies while the great fabricator is in office. Besides, out of all that that Trump said, that is all you have to go after?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

It's because the media typicly doesn't like to get into keeping tabs on who lies while the great fabricator is in office. Besides, out of all that that Trump said, that is all you have to go after?

I still want to know why I should care what Trump said. The guy's a clown and is not exactly known for honesty himself.

 

[Lemon law]

The biggest fallacy here is why anyone would pay an iota of attention to an idiot with a bad comb over.

At one time the fraud was so far under water bankrupt, that it was not funny. But as it was, the banks would lose a bundle because he simply too big to fail.

As my guess is, his net worth is still a negative bazzillion dollars. I mean get real here, if the Donald really had the Midas touch, do you really think he would waste his time hosting a TV program for chump change even if it over inflates his ego.

But the Donald is not alone, there is a maybe limited and vocal group of idiots, who have one characteristic.

If we could buy them for what they are worth and sell them for what they claim they are worth, we could pay off the national debt and then some. Of course the problem in that utopian scheme, is that no one will buy them for what they think they are worth.

Donald Trump is one, Newton Gingrich is another that springs to mind. As Newt has been threatening to run again for political office for 14 years, and when he finally did in 2012, Newt got a whole two votes. As for the Donald, IMHO, you are fired.

 

[trenchfoot]

What Repubs fear the most about the ACA is that all the lies and disinformation they spread about it will gradually get debunked and they will never be able to get rid of it due to popular demand.

I mean, even with all the "compromising" the Repubs (health insurance Co.s) got included in the ACA that watered it down and disfigured it into the Frankenstein it is, it still has enough redeeming value to actually help millions upon millions of families get by in these hard economic times that came about at the end of the Bush/Cheney era.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I'm still waiting for the information his investigators dug up on Obama's birth certificate. We weren't going to believe what they found by his word. I mean he's rights. I'm sure no one would believe him but at least give us the chance to doubt what they found.....

The guy's a complete joke. Who cares what he has to say? About anything?

 

[umbrella39]

Trump? Who cares... I only know a couple people IRL pissed about this. The vast majority that understand what is and isn't going to happen know they aren't affected. Poor people can already get free insurance. Those that don't have it is for lack of trying not because they didn't qualify before Obamacare. When they show up at the ER we make sure WE are going to get paid and get Social Work involved and by the end of the week they do have insurance. So this doesn't affect them either. Working people already have insurance, I now get to shop around and see if I want to continue to let the hospital I work for gauge me 26 times a year or if I can get equal or better coverage for cheaper. People who can afford insurance but opt out to get that bigger paycheck at work can go fuck themselves. They should have been forced to buy insurance years ago. I see too many of these idiots come in on deaths doorstep and watch the countless amounts of man power and $$$ wasted on them with no insurance to pay for it. If they do live they never pay off their $25K+ bills so we pass it on to the people who can afford to pay, you and me. If the GOP doesn't want these changes to take effect then they can allow us the option to turn your stupid ass away at the door if you have decided to roll the dice and don't have the insurance nor the money in the bank to pay for your hospital stay. I'm OK either way but we know that's never going to happen so let's focus on making people who can pay, pay up and if they don't fine them.

 

[UberNeuman]

Trump is mad because there isn't coverage for decent toupees in the plan...

\protip: you're rich, Trump - get a hair piece that doesn't look like something that Bill The Cat coughed up....

 

[thraashman]

Why should I care any more about what Donald Trump thinks about these issues than, say, Justin Bieber?

Actually I'd trust more what Justin Bieber has to say on this. He's from Canada so he's experienced socialized healthcare and probably has a more intelligent opinion than the king of the birthers.

 

[Texashiker]

Regardless of anyones opinion on Trump, he has some valid points.

We already have a doctor shortage. The medical schools only accept X number of new students. This is to ensure the market does not become flooded. Too many doctors would drive wages down.

The health care act is supposed to dump how many people onto an already stressed system?

My wife and I had to drive over an hour to find a qualified surgeon for her surgery. The health care system in rural America sucks, big time.

Part of any health care fix should include training more doctors, and get more doctors into rural areas.

 

[waggy]

Regardless of anyones opinion on Trump, he has some valid points.

We already have a doctor shortage. The medical schools only accept X number of new students. This is to ensure the market does not become flooded. Too many doctors would drive wages down.

The health care act is supposed to dump how many people onto an already stressed system?

My wife and I had to drive over an hour to find a qualified surgeon for her surgery. The health care system in rural America sucks, big time.

Part of any health care fix should include training more doctors, and get more doctors into rural areas.

agreed.

this is the thing that worries me. we really don't have enough doctors as it is.

 

[dank69]

Regardless of anyones opinion on Trump, he has some valid points.

We already have a doctor shortage. The medical schools only accept X number of new students. This is to ensure the market does not become flooded. Too many doctors would drive wages down.

The health care act is supposed to dump how many people onto an already stressed system?

My wife and I had to drive over an hour to find a qualified surgeon for her surgery. The health care system in rural America sucks, big time.

Part of any health care fix should include training more doctors, and get more doctors into rural areas.

agreed.

this is the thing that worries me. we really don't have enough doctors as it is.

Don't make us debunk every single point he makes just because it is more convenient to believe his shit since it lines up with what you want to believe.

How ACA plans to add 16,000 primary care doctors:
Link

 

[Texashiker]

How ACA plans to add 16,000 primary care doctors:
Link

Planning and doing are 2 different things.

We need doctors now, right now, not next week, not next year, not 2 years from now.

Medical care in rural America is in dire straits. My wife needed a gynecologist for some female problems she was having. We had to drive 1 hour and 15 minutes one way to find a specialist.

That 16,000 doctors is probably only going to replace the ones that are going to be retiring in the next few years.

How many doctors are either dying or retiring, and how many doctors are being added?

16,000 might sound like a lot, but not when you have 20,000 retiring. I do not know if that 20,000 is accurate, its a number I am using for a point of discussion.

When you take population growth, and the number of doctors retiring into consideration, 16,000 new doctors is not a lot.

 

[fskimospy]

This ACA funding is to expand the workforce by 16,000, not replace retiring ones.

As for the fact that America needs more right now this is true, but I hardly see how you could blame the ACA for that.

 

[Incorruptible]

What Repubs fear the most about the ACA is that all the lies and disinformation they spread about it will gradually get debunked and they will never be able to get rid of it due to popular demand.

I mean, even with all the "compromising" the Repubs (health insurance Co.s) got included in the ACA that watered it down and disfigured it into the Frankenstein it is, it still has enough redeeming value to actually help millions upon millions of families get by in these hard economic times that came about at the end of the Bush/Cheney era.

Why should I and many others have to spend our hard earned money to help others who made the wrong choices?

 

[Texashiker]

Why should I and many others have to spend our hard earned money to help others who made the wrong choices?

What wrong choices are you referring to?

 

[dank69]

Planning and doing are 2 different things.

We need doctors now, right now, not next week, not next year, not 2 years from now.

Medical care in rural America is in dire straits. My wife needed a gynecologist for some female problems she was having. We had to drive 1 hour and 15 minutes one way to find a specialist.

That 16,000 doctors is probably only going to replace the ones that are going to be retiring in the next few years.

How many doctors are either dying or retiring, and how many doctors are being added?

16,000 might sound like a lot, but not when you have 20,000 retiring. I do not know if that 20,000 is accurate, its a number I am using for a point of discussion.

When you take population growth, and the number of doctors retiring into consideration, 16,000 new doctors is not a lot.

eskimospy answered most of that but I'd like to point out that you made the choice to live so far from civilization. What do you propose? Should the government build you your own doctor's office?