TRUMP on Obamacare

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ChunkiMunki

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What the rabid right actually believes is that those who cannot afford health insurance should not be subsidized. So, when they get ill and cannot afford health care, they should die.

But they can never say that publicly.
 

LogicalThinker

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My own opinion:

By applying the knowledge I learned thru my Psychology degree, I can see both sides. However, scientific studies have found that ENABLING DOES NOT HELP. It prevents individuals from overcoming their problems and situations by prolonging improvement, which in this case is dependency. We have seen this with our welfare system. The best way to help others is to help them HELP THEMSELVES. We can open the gates to make the path easier to reach but we cannot give it to them especially in a materialistic world. The poor will always want more and will feel they are entitled to it unless they realize they have to contribute to society.
 

Sunburn74

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Salaries dropping while experiencing a shortage? That's a tad pessimistic. I think supply/demand will provide adequate physicians.

Haha... hear hear. If you wonder why there aren't enough ob/gyns out there, its because no one wants to be an ob/gyn for the price. You get sued for everything and anything, work ridiculously hard on the floors and in the OR, have patients that can be absolutely intolerable (imagine if you had to deal with pregnant women all day,and crampy women all day, and women bleeding out of their vaginas all day), all for peanuts compared to the radiologist (who is also an MD) who sits in a dark room, with coffee in his hand and his feet on a desk dictating his opinion of CTs and MRIs into a microphone. The average OB makes about 180k a year. The average radiologist makes a little over 300k a year.


If you really want more primary care physicians and more ob/gyn and more gen surgery, pay them more and shorten the training. In order to be a functioning cardiologist it takes a minimum of 11 years of training after college, with a lot of it being redundant stuff that a cardiologist never actually deals with on a daily basis. Just my thoughts.
 

blankslate

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Asking Trump about the ACA a.k.a. Obamacare is like asking the whalers about Whaling laws.
 

Icepick

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The hilarious thing about all the rants from republicans both famous and non famous is that we all know not a single one of them are willing to pay for others to have a free ride.

They actually favor personal responsibility. Just not when the idea is coming from a black president.
Forgoing color of the man in the oval office, they quite agree with personal responsibility.

I can assure you... If Romney gets in we will hear more about personal responsibility, not less. And everyone will be forced just the same to carry health insurance. Yep... Everyone.

The difference is that Romney will expect you to pay thru the nose for whatever high priced cost the insurance industry wants to set to maximum their profits.

Obama, on the other hand, will develope affordable Medicare extensions everyone can afford, or possibly full public payer option for low income to buy into.

Romney and the republicans in power are pulling the perfect illusion on the public.
They will bankrupt millions by forcing involvement in the healthcare for profit system.

Obama, on the other hand, will create affordable solutions.

It's up to you which way you want to go.....

But if you buy into the illusion that Romney and republicans in congress are your best bet when it comes to healthcare reform.... Oh man are you the fool.

Pretty much this.
 

funks

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I believe one drawback with this healthcare system is that the government ain't mandating that a person needs to visit his / her doctor once every 4 months (hours used should be considered paid leave).

The reason for this is that alot of people don't go visit their primary care doctors routinely. Some are lazy (why not give a discount on health coverage if the healthcare subscribe is taking care of themselves), some can't afford it (not getting paid for the hours spent, or time).

We perform routine maintenance on our cars to keep them running and said maintenance usually has a direct impact on how long one's car last. People should go to visit their doctor's routinely for checkups (eq. blood work) hence things like diabetes, cancers, and etc won't be a "surprise".

A lot of people only go to the hospital when they already have something that could have been prevented - and it usually means something expensive (eq. cancer).

If more people went, the healthcare system would have a larger data set which in turn will create jobs, improve research. Additionally, given that the market is larger - they should be able to segregate the costs between routine / health maintenance vs. the need for expensive care (eq. hospital stay due to severe ailments).

We don't use car insurance to pay for oil changes, why are we using insurance to pay for routine health maintenance? Pricing model needs to change, seems like we can learn something from the automotive service industry.

Maybe there needs to be two tiers of doctors from an education perspective. We will need alot more doctors capable of handling routine duties of a general practitioner (relaxed educational requirements for these types of doctors so we can churn out more, less pay too) compared to a specialist (more restrictive requirements, more pay).
 
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