Just so we're clear - a card that consumes considerably more power (70 watts), dumps it all back into a case, is unstable out of the box, and is louder than the gtx690 is better, right? OMG1FAMNF reviewers received defective 590's where are the pitchforks now?
There were pitchforks, for both products. Jesus do you even read the forums? Read the 7990 thread, first two pages are "LOL, MEH, FAIL" until someone pointed out "hey the card is broken, check this other review out" and then it turned to "guess it isn't that bad."
Stir the pot some more why don't you.
Wrong.
The same price, higher power consumption, lower performance, and lower performance per watt. Nothing is better about it.
Hey, whatever you have to tell yourself
Honestly, and you are right calling me out on this, I've kinda quit reading the forums around here. I'll post 2-3 times a day, sometimes more, sometimes not at all, but generally I've been spending less and less and less time because it's filled with a pervasively horrible attitude and draws decent, normal people into absolutely stupid and pointless fighting / arguing. Video cards are championed as much as sports teams, it really is crazy.
You and Phynaz finally coming around. :thumbsup:
But how was this in Nvidia's best interest? I really wanted to go Nvidia this time around. But not for a $100 price premium.
How about you read before you respond. I said ---Did you just say, that you have to have both AMD and Nvidia cards to be considered non-biased? Man, think before you type.
Agreed. In fact the 660 will likely become the best selling Kepler in short order.There's no reason to think gk106 won't have the same clock potential. Everything on 28nm so far seem to top out at ~1.3ghz on the core. Some go higher with heaps of vcore, but its a rarity.
Therefore 660 should with good custom models manage to hit 1.2ghz+ boost.
Would be a nice card if priced ~$220, slotting right in. It's TDP of 140W (in games it should be less) is also nice, fitting with the 7850 and 7870 which draw ~100-120W peak in games. NV doesn't have to offer better perf/$, they just have to be comparable and it should outsell anything AMD can offer.
RS is one of the most unbiased people that post here.
You should chill on him not be so emotional about the facts he posts.
But how was this in Nvidia's best interest? I really wanted to go Nvidia this time around. But not for a $100 price premium.
I read it perfectly.How about you read before you respond. I said ---
It's not fair to call someone biased and blind that has both.
You basically called out a member and accused them of being incapable of showing any impartiality. :thumbsdown:
How about you read before you respond. I said ---
It's not fair to call someone biased and blind that has both.You basically called out a member and accused them of being incapable of showing any impartiality. :thumbsdown:
Agreed. In fact the 660 will likely become the best selling Kepler in short order.
think this may be a very hot seller so long as price to performance even matches, let alone beats, other cards of similar pricing. If it performs better than rumors say, it may sell out even faster.
Take a look at Q2 and see that it was Geforce that drove the profit. Tegra margins are slim and needs even more babysitting than Pro, which accidentally was down.
GeForce eats tons of Pro costs, but is still the most important Nvidia asset - by far. And it doesn't look like this will change any time soon.
Latest rumors say the price will be 229$.
Latest rumors say the price will be 229$.
Professional Graphics division makes nearly as as much $ as the combined Desktop and Notebook GeForce divisions. Not sure what you are talking about. They are both important since without GeForce you cannot have Tesla/Quadro since most likely you won't be able to sustain the expensive R&D. At the same time without the professional graphics division and 95% market share NV has in those segments, GeForce brand probably would be seriously struggling just like AMD's Graphics division now is. On the surface, GeForce brand is more recognized worldwide, but you can't say it's the most important product line for making $ for NV. If you remove Professional Graphics revenue and cash flow from NV, it would hardly look much better than what AMD's stand-alone GPU units looks like today. There isn't that much $ to be made in the consumer graphics segment. Corporate clients is where all the real $ and growth opportunities are for GPU makers.
You must have read this article,:\Yes and I don't want to explain yet again what 28nm constraints do. It should be blindingly obvious why nvidia steadfastly refuses to drop gtx 680 prices even as 7970s sell for less, and its not because of gaming. Hint: there is a lot less demand for tahiti chips in pro cards.
Yes and I don't want to explain yet again what 28nm constraints do. It should be blindingly obvious why nvidia steadfastly refuses to drop gtx 680 prices even as 7970s sell for less, and its not because of gaming. Hint: there is a lot less demand for tahiti chips in pro cards.
Honestly, and you are right calling me out on this, I've kinda quit reading the forums around here. I'll post 2-3 times a day, sometimes more, sometimes not at all, but generally I've been spending less and less and less time because it's filled with a pervasively horrible attitude and draws decent, normal people into absolutely stupid and pointless fighting / arguing. Video cards are championed as much as sports teams, it really is crazy.
The fact that NV delayed Kepler desktop parts and instead focused on mobile discrete segment design wins and is aiming to launch GK110 in Q4 2012 for the professional markets first shows that desktop discrete GeForce business is perhaps only 3rd most important on its totem pole at the moment.
SNIP==> it seems price/performance is no longer important?
Professional Graphics division makes nearly as as much $ as the combined Desktop and Notebook GeForce divisions.
The fact that NV delayed Kepler desktop parts and instead focused on mobile discrete segment design wins and is aiming to launch GK110 in Q4 2012 for the professional markets first shows that desktop discrete GeForce business is perhaps only 3rd most important on its totem pole at the moment.