tv tuner thread #2157412

spazo

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I have a budget of $100 but I prefer to spend as little as possible.

My primary concern would be the picture quality, the sharper/clearer the better. The second concern is usability. I'm pretty good with computers but if something doesn't work, it just gets really frustrating and I would prefer to not have to deal with the hassle.

And um, could someone enlighten me as to what tv tuners can actually do besides watch tv?

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thanks
noob out

 

cmdrdredd

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some Tuners can output/capture the video like a tivo. I don't have one, and haven't looked into what's avauilable in that price range personally...I always wanted to mess with it though.
 

MIDIman

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I tried out SageTV recently with a 9800 Pro All In Wonder, and really really dug it. I didn't hang on to it cause the AIW sucked up way too many resources on the computer in question (well over 60% CPU on a 2600+ mobile, nforce2, 1gb ram, 120gb HD) - tho this might be related to a seriously fragged HD and using a secondary partition for the capture. But the interface and design of Sage IMHO is really great, easy to use and setup.

Check out the bundles they offer and read up some reviews on the cards there. They're quite affordable. The Hauppage cards look nice and one review I read of a 2000+/512mb based computer with a PVR 250 used only 1-2% CPU while running Sage.
 

minofifa

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i have a hauppague pvr-150 as well, and am satisfied with the results. it is a good card. I use it with beyond TV software. check out the packages at www.snapstream.com. Also there is media software called media portal that lets you use your tv card to watch and schedule TV shows, and it is free.
 

mosco

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also check out one some reviews on the new ATI theater 550 pro cards. I have a hauppague pvr-150 but I think if any card has the possibility to be better, its a card running the new ati chip.
 

Markbnj

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A card with the 550 Pro in it gets my vote. It does make a difference in picture quality, and you're better off with hardware mpeg-2 decoding as well, especially if you have a lower-end processor.

As for what a TV Tuner can do, essentially all they do is capture an analog NTSC encoded signal and encode it into an mpeg-2 stream. They also encode the audio component into a transport stream, not sure if it is mpeg-3 or what. Some have multiple inputs so you can encode from more than once source (but not at the same time unless you have more than one physical tuner in the card, or multiple cards). There are also some cards available now that decode QAM compression and allow you to receive digital cable channels. Some also have HD capability, and some have both QAM and HD.

Everything else you can do comes from the software that handles the mpeg streams. The software is responsible for telling the card what channel to tune, and for doing something with the video and audio. That means either displaying it onscreen or writing it to disk. I have tried PowerCinema, Beyond TV, and GBPVR. PowerCinema sucks, period, as does almost anything from Cyberlink. I couldn't get GBPVR to work. I got a retail copy of Beyond TV 4.0 for Christmas and I am 100% satisfied. Well, maybe 97%. I wish it handled volume a little differently. But other than that it is one hell of a slick program. They have a version that comes bundled with the Firefly remote, and that has also proved to be 100% reliable and very responsive, unlike the ATI Remote Wonder that I tried previously.

So my recommendation for ultimate PC TV goodness would be: widescreen monitor, surround speakers, QAM/HD capable tuner, and Beyond TV. The budget package would lean toward the lower end Hauppage or ATI cards, and would still include Beyond TV, because without a solid software front end the card is just taking up a slot.
 

V00D00

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You can get an ATI Theatre 550 Pro for $72 from Newegg.

I opted for the PCIe version, and ended up spending a hair over $100 for it.

The problem is, I haven't gotten mine to work yet. I think the technology is a bit to new for it to go mainstream.

It's a great card with great features.... if you can get it to work. I've seen problems with it othe rplaces too.

Maybe go with a time-tested haupage card. If you're feeling dangerous you can get a Theatre 550 Pro. I ran some test, and the picture quality is MUCH MUCH better on the 550 Pro. I just can't get it to record properly. If you have problems with the 550 you can always trade it in for a haupage or something.
 

imported_Stew

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I've got a no-name Mercury TV tuner, and it still has fine picture quality. I use BeyondTV, and it owns.
 

Tu13erhead

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How do these 550 Pros work with nForce 4 chipsets and nVidia video cards (I have a 7800gt)? Any issues between ATI and nVidia?

I'm also in the market for a TV tuner.
 

zest

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Turtle beach are good. aS is the ASUUS my cinema itt uses the latest Phillips chip, Also interesting is the new Compro VideoMate H900 " , a powerful TV tuner and capture card. It features real-time hardware MPEG-1/2 encoder. new generation high-quality universal silicon TV tuner, 2D/3D Y/C separation, TV Stereo/ SAP selection, FM radio listening, MP3/WMA/WAV recording, low-profile card design".
Sounds pretty good!
 

Dman877

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Can HDTV tuners handle NTSC as well? I have been using a hauppage low end card for a while now but I just bought a big HDTV and I want to upgrade the card (I'll worry about the HD service later ). Also, I have been using tuner cards for a long time but I always just use the software they come with. What does stuff like BeyondTV actually do? Is it basically just an interface? It doesn't actually make the picture any better does it?
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Dman877
Can HDTV tuners handle NTSC as well? I have been using a hauppage low end card for a while now but I just bought a big HDTV and I want to upgrade the card (I'll worry about the HD service later ). Also, I have been using tuner cards for a long time but I always just use the software they come with. What does stuff like BeyondTV actually do? Is it basically just an interface? It doesn't actually make the picture any better does it?

I'd say most tuners that integrate ATSC can handle NTSC as well, yes. I know the ATI HDTV Wonder, MyHD MDP-130 can, and one of the hundred FusionHDTV models can. I'm sure there are more. BeyondTV just like ANY other PVR software (EXCEPT DScaler) is a front-end for the WDM streaming capture interface if you wanted specifics. (DScaler actually communicates directly with the chip.) Within their so-called "filter chain" they can add in a postprocessor to improve the image, yes. Does BeyondTV? I think it does have an option to do that.
 

NeezyDeezy

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I'd go with a dvico fusion hdtv 5 lite. In fact, I think I'm going to go ahead and order one for myself today. The idea is that it is the cheapest card
(99 dollars) with QAM decoding... so you can watch digital cable, analog cable, and OTA HDTV. Anandtech wrote a HDTV shootout in early december. I'll let you know how it goes.
 
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