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petrob

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Jun 1, 2007
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My only concern is to see the review I was promised months ago, published before I become a grandparent (my eldest is eight)! I don't really care whose fault it is as long as somebody does something to move the case forward. The review has been sitting forever on Gary's desk, intentionally or not, waiting for God knows what. It's time Anand knows we're not happy about it and that it's time to push it back to the front. Or at least stop making excuses and tell us the real story. Stop waiting for the Geforce 7050, or Intel G35, or Intel G38, or AMD RS740, or AMD RS780, or... (you get the idea!) and publish the damn thing! :|

Anand is the editor-in-chief, so it's his job to press Gary to finish the job if we, the readers, want to see it, or find somebody else with more time, better interest or [insert favorite excuse here] to make it happen. If you want to sit down, twiddle you thumbs, and wait some more, well, be my guest! I just thought that raising my voice would make a difference. I may not have said it in the most elegant way, but the email said what I wanted to say. Feel free to find your own way. Express your concerns not to me, but to Anand. :thumbsup:
 

chucky2

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Dec 9, 1999
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How do you guys know it's not AnandTech et al pushing back the review to wait for the new Intel integrated video chipsets to be released? Or, a new set of drivers from Intel that lets them get owned less on the integrated video front?

Don't be so quick to bash Gary, I highly doubt this is all his fault...

Chuck
 

FireTech

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Mar 17, 2006
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Originally posted by: chucky2
Don't be so quick to bash Gary, I highly doubt this is all his fault...

Chuck
Whoa there Chuck! "quick" you say?
This review has been promised for months and if you'd read the previous posts you'd see the links to the first thread.
Gary has stated on many occasions that it is coming, ultimately it doesn't, another reason is given and we all give it another chance.

If your wife/partner was waiting over three months for something and raised their concerns - would you you be saying " don't be so quick"? Didn't think so :laugh:

Please re-read both threads in full, the statements made and see why there is so much disappointment, anger (and suspicion)...

 

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
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I've participated in both threads, I don't need to go re-read them.

The fact is that the review is going to be big (a known), Gary had some problems on the home front that delayed him, some hardware/software had issues, Computex came up, etc.

Really the only mistake Gary made was telling everyone when he thought the high quality free review would be up, thereby setting timeline expectations.

I know it sux, I know everyone has been waiting for it - I'm in the same boat as far as info, however I've already done my three builds with the most excellant full ATX Gigabyte 690G board - however if everyone can just calm down, I'm sure AnandTech and Gary will deliver very soon.

Chuck
 

FireTech

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Mar 17, 2006
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Originally posted by: chucky2 I'm sure AnandTech and Gary will deliver very soon.

Chuck
Hmmm, you said almost exactly the same thing over two and a half months ago... :laugh:

Chuck, you have the patience of a saint and eternal optimism. Good luck with your three builds. :thumbsup:




 

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
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Well, I had the luxuary of preferring ATX to mATX for the 3 builds I did, but, had I been needing to do a HTPC, I can understand where the desire is coming from.

As for patience, I just now have to update my sig to get rid of the K6-3+ reference...so yeah, I'm pretty patient...

Chuck
 

Skott

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Oct 4, 2005
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I really dont like to bash anyone. I'm a guest here since its not my website and I try to behave like a proper guest should. Respect to all and all that. Those that are complaining have a legit right in my thinking considering the past promises (and there have been many) given and not delivered. Who is at fault? Gary? Anand? Both? I dunno. Obviously something is going on behind the scenes here to delay it so long. I do know this much though. As far as the mATX Round Up Review goes I'll believe it when I see it. Till then I'm not holding my breath.
 

deansdad

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Oct 27, 2004
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Originally posted by: Skott
I really dont like to bash anyone. I'm a guest here <snip> Respect to all and all that. <snip> I do know this much though. As far as the mATX Round Up Review goes I'll believe it when I see it. Till then I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Not "bashing"....an admirable trait on your part, and even more so, I think, on the parts of virtually all who have participated in both threads over these, lo so many weeks (months).

Re: "I'm a guest here"....well, sort of. Again, admirable on your part and those who subscribe to your point of view, but in point of fact it is a business and every one of us are "paying with our eyes"....granted, it's our choice to do so - but AT is not, in any way, shape, or form - a philanthropic institution. Saying so, is neither to begrudge their mission nor to suggest that they shouldn't expect to be profitable (of course they should) - it's merely an explanation of why some might put a little less emphasis on the "guest" connotation. No one is right or wrong - just a different point of view.

Re: "Respect to all and all that..." - my guess is that your parents probably traveled in many of the same circles as mine. There really is no reason, despite the magnitude of differences of opinion, that folks can't disagree agreeably, and respectfully. Who knows, doing so might just cause some of the less "thinking challenged" in any given group to consider another's point of view.
But there's another part of "respect" - the part that says that those willing to take what might be an unpopular ("not PC" in todays vernacular) position - with a true motivation of constructive criticism, earn it - regardless of the venue.

We need not rehash all that's gone here in these two threads over the last three months...those that don't "git it" by now - never will.
Suffice it to say, almost to a man (yea, I know, should be "person"...PC I ain't <g>) each and every poster in both threads who has what some consider a negative comment - has come across to me as more concerned with AT's credibility and reputation (or loss thereof), than their own particular needs.

Your closing words really say it all.....
"....I'll believe it when I see it. Till then I'm not holding my breath."

Whatever the reasons/excuses, justified or not....is this the perception AT really wants?
 

JKing76

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May 18, 2001
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Oh wow, an Intel mobo article! How rare! And it's a "sneak peak," so soon we'll get another one on the same board!
 

deansdad

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Oct 27, 2004
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Originally posted by: JKing76
Oh wow, an Intel mobo article! How rare! And it's a "sneak peak," so soon we'll get another one on the same board!


Originally posted by: Gary Key
The uATX articles start next week. In fact, the rest of my June and early July schedule starting next week is dedicated to uATX articles except for a USB flash drive roundup. I deeply apologize for the delays, but........



ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2: Sneak Peek
Date: June 29th, 2007
Topic: Motherboard
Manufacturer: ASRock
Author: Gary Key and Jarred Walton

Credibility

the quality of being believable or trustworthy
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Credibility is the believability of a statement, action, or source, and the ability of the observer to believe the above.
[http]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credibility[/http]

the trustworthiness (credentials, education, experience, etc.) of an author.
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defined by Webster?s Collegiate Dictionary as the quality or power of inspiring belief. When applied to an information source, credibility centres on three factors: opportunity (is the source in a position to know?) ability (does the source have the skill and competence?) dependability (is the source responsible and trustworthy?).

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Credibility is the objective and subjective components of the believability of a source or message. Traditionally, credibility is composed of two primary dimensions: trustworthiness and expertise, which have both objective and subjective components. That is, trustworthiness is a receiver judgment based on subjective factors. Expertise can be similarly subjectively perceived but includes relatively objective characteristics of the source or message as well (e.g., source credentials or information quality). Some secondary dimensions include source dynamism (charisma) and physical attractiveness, for example.

Credibility online has become an important topic since the mid-1990s, as the web has increasingly become an information resource.

 

FireTech

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Mar 17, 2006
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Originally posted by: JKing76
Oh wow, an Intel mobo article! How rare! And it's a "sneak peak," so soon we'll get another one on the same board!

Not surprised in the slightest. :roll:
 

FireTech

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Mar 17, 2006
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Originally posted by: FireTech
Cheers yehuda.

Unfortunately I'm currently half a planet away from my temp probe Jking76 but will try to let you know how it all goes. There's always the old glass thermometer

UPDATE:
OK, the touch test (at idle only) reveals that the black heatsink (SB) is only warm (42C) and the taller silver heatsink (NB) is hotter but not so much I coudn't keep my fingers on it (I'd guess at 60C or thereabouts as the little probe I had gave up at 50C)

Sorry, not too scientific but the best I can do seeing as it's my parents new PC
 

JKing76

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May 18, 2001
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Posted by Gary in the comments of the Gateway tablet article:
Sorry about the delay, it will go up right after the m-ATX roundup (which is upside down after NV and AMD had a driver war for IGP solutions this month) that finally starts this week.


So...
 

deansdad

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Oct 27, 2004
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1) The check is in the mail....
2) I'm from the government and I"m here to help you....
3) Review starts (insert any date you feel like here)....
4 I won't.................................
 

FireTech

Senior member
Mar 17, 2006
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I have posted a plea to Gary in the Gateway review comments to please update us here and not in an unrelated article.

EDIT: While we're waiting, Gary has been kind enough to post a couple of Hard Drive reviews for us to read. :thumbsup:
 

Uppsala9496

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Nov 2, 2001
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Does "early July schedule" mean by the 14th?
It really is funny how long this is taking and how many excuses have been thrown out there. Wasn't it mid-March that a comment was made about a review? That was almost 4 months ago now. How timely.
 

JKing76

Senior member
May 18, 2001
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Latest word is that the guides start this Friday, and the series will cover all aspects of HTPC building. Maybe I'm naive, but I like hearing a specific day rather than "this/next week". Don't break my heart, Gary!
 

heyheybooboo

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Jun 29, 2007
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Originally posted by: Gary Key
(This comes from a long time Intel user who even drank the i850 / RAMBUS Kool-Aid).

OR840/Rambus , here Patiently waiting for the price of that memory to come down. . .

And patiently waiting for the AMD690G *1st Revs* and mature BIOS simply because they are better. I gave up being a beta tester a long time ago (see: OR840).

Good luck!

 

D3xx

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Nov 17, 2002
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Are there any good overclocking Core2duo uatx boards apart from the Gigabyte G33-DS2R ?
 
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