***UPDATED*** Questions for Christians

busmaster11

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If you're not a Christian, I ask that you abstain from posting detracting remarks here, for you may not understand why some of this is important to me...

So I have an uncle, who is a practicing Buddhist... A few weeks ago I found out that he was dying of liver cancer. It has progressed to the point where not even the best centers in the nation including the CTCA will take him in, and they say he has months or weeks to live.

As my dad and I are Christians, I approached him with the question - if the acceptance of Jesus is central to being purified of sin and making it into heaven, why not try with all our efforts, and pray for God's help, in converting my uncle, despite knowing that we're likely going to fail? My dad said he sp[oke to a pastor about the very same question. The pastor advised him that there is no use, and it is important to to show love for this person right now - and to pray. Is this the right course of action? If you believe in the Bible, it follows logic that if you love this person there is nothing more important to you than to know they've made it into heaven. But OTOH it does seem a little callous to focus on this when he's in so much pain and uncertainty.

Furthermore, I am of the belief, having limited knowledge and understanding of God, and knowing that I will never comprehend Him or his plan entirely, that I see no reason why God would not save my uncle if he accepts God into his heart right now. I see no reason why God would not use this sickness as a chance to bring my uncle to Him by healing him. I believe that God will. Is this something I should tell my uncle? If I do, and even in the event that he accepts Jesus, what if he still passes away? My relatives will all hate me for wasting his last breaths.

Why do I feel so foolish believing this though? I'm just using what I think I know to try to follow some logic. If I tell this to my uncle and other relatives, who are mostly non-Christians, they will ridicule me because I'm saying false things and giving my uncle false hope. Yet I can't just believe in God on Sundays, and if I am to believe in God, I shall need to believe in Him in all facets of life.

EDIT: Copied at the end.
Thanks to Tanner for his kind words.

Well, its been a few days, but as I was contemplating heading out there (I live in Champaign, IL and he lived in San Jose, CA) and preparing myself for what to do, he passed away Sunday afternoon. I heard that all his eight siblings were around him, and it was peaceful.

And it was sad because we all thought he'd have a while left; the doctors couldn't give him anything but painkillers, but he went and took some Chinese medicine that supposedly healed some other guy of an even bigger tumor.

I thank everyone for posting here, as selfishly I felt that all the advice solidified my resolve in what I had to do, but I couldn't get there quick enough. Truthfully I was even more afraid of the challenge I think, and I don't know if or how I would have gone through with it if everyone of my relatives would have been against me.

I believe that given the kind of person my uncle is, he's a great person, and a loving father, but perhaps an old school traditional Chinese man, and it wasn't likely to work anyway. These types are generally very prideful and arrogant, and would never abandon something so central as their faith for the preaching of a young man... I wonder though, if I was more courageous and acted faster, and if his heart was willing, if it would have made a difference.

I do love him, and for those who say it lacked humanity that I would consider preaching to him during his last days at the expense of his comfort, I think it is the ultimate humanity to consider his soul. Thats why I say that people who don't believe in God, or waffle about it, or say they do when they don't have the conviction to act like it Monday through Sunday, will never understand what is being discussed here. And their posts in this thread is what invited all the flamage.

If you are truely convicted by what you believe, some people will call you names. So Red Dawn, it is an honor that you call me a fundie. I sincerely wish I could be more of one, but I have allowed this shallow society to mess with that too much.

I don't know what God would do with him because in a different world he would have turned out to be a great Christian. Thats a whole other ball of wax... [/quote]

 

Pastore

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Originally posted by: busmaster11
If you're not a Christian, I ask that you abstain from posting detracting remarks here, for you may not understand why some of this is important to me...

So I have an uncle, who is a practicing Buddhist... A few weeks ago I found out that he was dying of liver cancer. It has progressed to the point where not even the best centers in the nation including the CTCA will take him in, and they say he has months or weeks to live.

As my dad and I are Christians, I approached him with the question - if the acceptance of Jesus is central to being purified of sin and making it into heaven, why not try with all our efforts, and pray for God's help, in converting my uncle, despite knowing that we're likely going to fail? My dad said he sp[oke to a pastor about the very same question. The pastor advised him that there is no use, and it is important to to show love for this person right now - and to pray. Is this the right course of action? If you believe in the Bible, it follows logic that if you love this person there is nothing more important to you than to know they've made it into heaven. But OTOH it does seem a little callous to focus on this when he's in so much pain and uncertainty.

Furthermore, I am of the belief, having limited knowledge and understanding of God, and knowing that I will never comprehend Him or his plan entirely, that I see no reason why God would not save my uncle if he accepts God into his heart right now. I see no reason why God would not use this sickness as a chance to bring my uncle to Him by healing him. I believe that God will. Is this something I should tell my uncle? If I do, and even in the event that he accepts Jesus, what if he still passes away? My relatives will all hate me for wasting his last breaths.

Why do I feel so foolish believing this though? I'm just using what I think I know to try to follow some logic. If I tell this to my uncle and other relatives, who are mostly non-Christians, they will ridicule me because I'm saying false things and giving my uncle false hope. Yet I can't just believe in God on Sundays, and if I am to believe in God, I shall need to believe in Him in all facets of life.

According to the teachings in the Bible you should be doing everything you can for him to accept Jesus into his heart. So I would call your Pastor weak. You know what you should do, whether you do it or not is up to you.

I'm not a Christian.

Also, if God says it is time for your uncle to go, you nor anyone else can stop it. The only thing you can help change is where your uncle spends eternity.
 

GTaudiophile

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I think you and your dad were right; your pastor was wrong. Wanting your uncle to experience everlasting life in the kingdom of Heaven is the best expression of your love you can give.
 

OutHouse

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Your uncle does accept God and worships different than you do. Trying to convert somebody on their death bed and telling them that they are going to Hell because they dont worship Jesus is the wrong approach. Jesus wants you to follow his teachings not worship him. Your worship should be only to God.

I will be thinking about your Uncle and your family.

<< Christian but am opening myself up to other theologies.


 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Beast1284
Originally posted by: busmaster11
If you're not a Christian, I ask that you abstain from posting detracting remarks here, for you may not understand why some of this is important to me...

So I have an uncle, who is a practicing Buddhist... A few weeks ago I found out that he was dying of liver cancer. It has progressed to the point where not even the best centers in the nation including the CTCA will take him in, and they say he has months or weeks to live.

As my dad and I are Christians, I approached him with the question - if the acceptance of Jesus is central to being purified of sin and making it into heaven, why not try with all our efforts, and pray for God's help, in converting my uncle, despite knowing that we're likely going to fail? My dad said he sp[oke to a pastor about the very same question. The pastor advised him that there is no use, and it is important to to show love for this person right now - and to pray. Is this the right course of action? If you believe in the Bible, it follows logic that if you love this person there is nothing more important to you than to know they've made it into heaven. But OTOH it does seem a little callous to focus on this when he's in so much pain and uncertainty.

Furthermore, I am of the belief, having limited knowledge and understanding of God, and knowing that I will never comprehend Him or his plan entirely, that I see no reason why God would not save my uncle if he accepts God into his heart right now. I see no reason why God would not use this sickness as a chance to bring my uncle to Him by healing him. I believe that God will. Is this something I should tell my uncle? If I do, and even in the event that he accepts Jesus, what if he still passes away? My relatives will all hate me for wasting his last breaths.

Why do I feel so foolish believing this though? I'm just using what I think I know to try to follow some logic. If I tell this to my uncle and other relatives, who are mostly non-Christians, they will ridicule me because I'm saying false things and giving my uncle false hope. Yet I can't just believe in God on Sundays, and if I am to believe in God, I shall need to believe in Him in all facets of life.

According to the teachings in the Bible you should be doing everything you can for him to accept Jesus into his heart. So I would call your Pastor weak. You know what you should do, whether you do it or not is up to you.

I'm not a Christian.

Also, if God says it is time for your uncle to go, you nor anyone else can stop it. The only thing you can help change is where your uncle spends eternity.


He is right. If you truly love your uncle you will want him to go to heaven. If I were you I would do everything in my power to atleast make him aware of God.


Good luck, let us know how it turns out. Ill pray for your uncle.
 

cmdavid

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i know its easier said than done, but your relatives ridiculing you shouldn't get to you... matthew 5:10...

also, about your uncle... your uncle is like any other human on the face of the earth... you offer them the gospel. if they reject it, leave it at that and pray for them.. don't try forcing it down his throat.... matthew 10:14
either way, keep showing him love and praying that the Lord will open his heart to see the truth...
 

DeafeningSilence

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Your uncle does accept God and worships different than you do. Trying to convert somebody on their death bed and telling them that they are going to Hell because they dont worship Jesus is the wrong approach. Jesus wants you to follow his teachings not worship him. Your worship should be only to God.

What are you talking about???

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me."

So why isn't his uncle supposed to accept Jesus now?
 

Pastore

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Your uncle does accept God and worships different than you do. Trying to convert somebody on their death bed and telling them that they are going to Hell because they dont worship Jesus is the wrong approach. Jesus wants you to follow his teachings not worship him. Your worship should be only to God.

I will be thinking about your Uncle and your family.

<< Christian but am opening myself up to other theologies.

Jesus IS God in the flesh according to the Bible. So they are ONE. The whole trinity thing, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. No seperation. They are the same entity.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: DeafeningSilence
Originally posted by: Citrix
Your uncle does accept God and worships different than you do. Trying to convert somebody on their death bed and telling them that they are going to Hell because they dont worship Jesus is the wrong approach. Jesus wants you to follow his teachings not worship him. Your worship should be only to God.

What are you talking about???

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me."

So why isn't his uncle supposed to accept Jesus now?


I will not turn this into a flame fest. My comments were directed at busmaster11 about a sensitive and personal topic and I will respect that. If he has any questions on what I mean he can ask me.


 

human2k

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I like christian music, anyone buy that timelife "Songs for WOrship" cd set? Good clean christian music.
 

KC5AV

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You should do whatever you can to help your uncle accept Christ. Don't tell him that if he accepts Christ that his cancer will be healed. It might, but it might not. Let your uncle know that you love him, and that you wish he would accept the truth about Jesus. Do what you can to witness to him, but don't forget about the rest of your family. You mentioned that most of them are non-Christians. While it might be very hard for you, a death in the family is often one of the best opportunities to evanglize other members who are lost. The death of a family or close friend brings out feelings of uncertainty in most of us. Let your family know that death doesn't have to hold uncertainty for them. Let them know that you have the certainty that when you die, you will be in Heaven, and that you will live forever. Let them know that you can show them how to have that same certainty. It is very important thing to remember to be compassionate. Do what you can for your uncle while there is still time. It may already be too late for him, but there is still time for the rest of your family. The most important thing you can do at this point is pray that God will help you and that He will make them receptive to His message. Keep us posted on the situation.
 

dquan97

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Talk to him about what he thinks would happen after death, then follow up with a discussion about God and His immense love for us that Jesus came and died for us.

<- a proud Christian.
 

dquan97

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Originally posted by: human2k
I like christian music, anyone buy that timelife "Songs for WOrship" cd set? Good clean christian music.

yup! thats all I listen to all day!
 

LemonHead

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Originally posted by: busmaster11
If you're not a Christian, I ask that you abstain from posting detracting remarks here, for you may not understand why some of this is important to me... So I have an uncle, who is a practicing Buddhist... A few weeks ago I found out that he was dying of liver cancer. It has progressed to the point where not even the best centers in the nation including the CTCA will take him in, and they say he has months or weeks to live. As my dad and I are Christians, I approached him with the question - if the acceptance of Jesus is central to being purified of sin and making it into heaven, why not try with all our efforts, and pray for God's help, in converting my uncle, despite knowing that we're likely going to fail? My dad said he sp[oke to a pastor about the very same question. The pastor advised him that there is no use, and it is important to to show love for this person right now - and to pray. Is this the right course of action? If you believe in the Bible, it follows logic that if you love this person there is nothing more important to you than to know they've made it into heaven. But OTOH it does seem a little callous to focus on this when he's in so much pain and uncertainty. Furthermore, I am of the belief, having limited knowledge and understanding of God, and knowing that I will never comprehend Him or his plan entirely, that I see no reason why God would not save my uncle if he accepts God into his heart right now. I see no reason why God would not use this sickness as a chance to bring my uncle to Him by healing him. I believe that God will. Is this something I should tell my uncle? If I do, and even in the event that he accepts Jesus, what if he still passes away? My relatives will all hate me for wasting his last breaths. Why do I feel so foolish believing this though? I'm just using what I think I know to try to follow some logic. If I tell this to my uncle and other relatives, who are mostly non-Christians, they will ridicule me because I'm saying false things and giving my uncle false hope. Yet I can't just believe in God on Sundays, and if I am to believe in God, I shall need to believe in Him in all facets of life.
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God may or may not decide to physically heal your uncle. God does not guarantee that all will be healed physically when others pray. It is not clear why God doesn?t just heal those who are sick and dying. The point is that God sees the big picture and a physical healing may not be what his will is. However, reaching your uncles heart is truly God?s desire. (John 3:16) Perhaps just spending some time with him at his bedside or wherever is good with the prayerful anticipation that God will steer the conversation onto him and the need for Christ in ones life.
I would say that you should just be available to God and let him work the need for salvation. God calls us to be ready for him to work
through. Remember, you are not God. Too many times we try to "be God" by thinking that we are supposed to provide salvation for that person. Just be willing to be used by God and allow him to work. Again, be at his side and just love him and dialog with him. Let God do the rest.
Just my $.02. Hang in there </FONT>
 

busmaster11

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beast, The thing is I don't know if or when God feels this is his time to go; so as far as I know it may be God giving my uncle a chance aqnd a reason to come to him, and me, a challenge of my faith...

I hate it when I answer my own questions...

GT and Cuda, you're telling me exactly what my heart tells me. I wish I knew what was holding me back...

Citrix, I don't feel you can be a Christian and still be open to other religions. You can respect the people, which I do... And I'm pretty sure the Bible does encourage you to worship Jesus; in fact I think thats a pretty central idea. Jesus, being one of the Trinity, is God...

sanddiggaThanks for that Matthew 10 quote, thats new info to me. I will look it up when I have the chance.
 

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Originally posted by: busmaster11
beast, The thing is I don't know if or when God feels this is his time to go; so as far as I know it may be God giving my uncle a chance aqnd a reason to come to him, and me, a challenge of my faith...

I hate it when I answer my own questions...

GT and Cuda, you're telling me exactly what my heart tells me. I wish I knew what was holding me back...

Citrix, I don't feel you can be a Christian and still be open to other religions. You can respect the people, which I do... And I'm pretty sure the Bible does encourage you to worship Jesus; in fact I think thats a pretty central idea. Jesus, being one of the Trinity, is God...

sanddiggaThanks for that Matthew 10 quote, thats new info to me. I will look it up when I have the chance.

That is the hard part, you don't know if it his time. All you can do is teach him about Christ the Lord and pray that he accepts Him into his heart. You're a good man busmaster, I can tell just because you care. Never stop, not for anyone.
 

cmdavid

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Originally posted by: busmaster11


sandiggaThanks for that Matthew 10 quote, thats new info to me. I will look it up when I have the chance.
no problem..

also, remember, what we're telling you is just from personal experience or insight... you've got your own relationship with the Lord so you make sure you do what God is telling you to do.. pray about it and try to see clearly what He wants you to do and then do it.. if you do that, you can't go wrong...
 

yellowperil

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I'm not a Christian anymore but my mom is, and she went through the same dilemma before her mother died. My grandmother was a devout Buddhist and never converted despite my mom's attempts. In my humble opinion, at this point it wouldn't be wise to proselytize unless your uncle is ready to give up Buddhism first.
 

LethalWolfe

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Present your views and concerners to your Uncle but don't badger him. If I was dying the last thing I would want would be to have my friends and/or family trying to convert me to another regligion. How long has he been a practicing Buddhist? If it's been a long time then he probably has as much faith in Buddhism as you do in Christianity.

Not to be harsh, but how do you know Christianity is "right" and Buddhism is "wrong"? Love him, support him, voice your concern for him in the after life, but don't make it a goal to convert him.


Lethal
 

busmaster11

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Originally posted by: KC5AV
You should do whatever you can to help your uncle accept Christ. Don't tell him that if he accepts Christ that his cancer will be healed.
I know, but that was going to be the one reason that I have to see him. I have no idea how my relatives will take it but unfortunately I do have to go through them to get to my uncle - and that includes his wide, also a practicing Buddhist. The point is, its all frivolity to them, unless I can make a convincing case of why I need to waste his last days with this stuff.

It might, but it might not. Let your uncle know that you love him, and that you wish he would accept the truth about Jesus. Do what you can to witness to him, but don't forget about the rest of your family. You mentioned that most of them are non-Christians. While it might be very hard for you, a death in the family is often one of the best opportunities to evanglize other members who are lost. The death of a family or close friend brings out feelings of uncertainty in most of us. Let your family know that death doesn't have to hold uncertainty for them. Let them know that you have the certainty that when you die, you will be in Heaven, and that you will live forever. Let them know that you can show them how to have that same certainty. It is very important thing to remember to be compassionate. Do what you can for your uncle while there is still time. It may already be too late for him, but there is still time for the rest of your family. The most important thing you can do at this point is pray that God will help you and that He will make them receptive to His message. Keep us posted on the situation.

Thanks for the encouragement... I will read over all these posts tonight.
 

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beast, gt, cuda, and sandigga are right on target.

Jesus' final command in matthew is to go and make believers of all nations. as christians it is our responsibility to share the gospel will everyone, including your uncle. share with him about your faith. tell him that the only way to eternal life is through Christ Jesus. make sure he understands that all men are sinners and that is the reason Christ had to die for us. ultimately all you can do is obey Christ's command and share with your uncle. you cannot make him accept the gospel. it is his choice, but pray that the Holy Spirit will convict him and that God will open his eyes. prayer is your most powerful tool, but you must also share the gospel with him.

oh and dont promise or even mention that God will take away his cancer if he becomes a christian or anything of the sort. pray that God will heal him, but know that God may have a plan that we cant see.

 

amnesiac

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I don't think God will "heal" your uncle as his "reward" for becoming Christian, but rather will allow him into heaven. God has a plan for everyone, and when He decides it is time for one to join Him, then there is little you can do.
 

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The thing that concerns me is your belief that by converting him to Christianity, he will be miraculously healed. He is not dying now because he isn't a Christian, and he won't heal because he accepts Christianity on his deathbed. Whatever God's plan is, you won't change it like that.

If you feel that trying to covert him will do good regardless of the outcome of his mortal life, then by all means, talk to him. However if he doesn't want to discuss it, then you aren't doing him any good by trying to force him to see things your way. No one has ever truly converted that way, and no one will. Show him love and understanding and just be there to give him whatever he needs.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: yowolabi
The thing that concerns me is your belief that by converting him to Christianity, he will be miraculously healed. He is not dying now because he isn't a Christian, and he won't heal because he accepts Christianity on his deathbed. Whatever God's plan is, you won't change it like that.

If you feel that trying to covert him will do good regardless of the outcome of his mortal life, then by all means, talk to him. However if he doesn't want to discuss it, then you aren't doing him any good by trying to force him to see things your way. No one has ever truly converted that way, and no one will. Show him love and understanding and just be there to give him whatever he needs.

I don't think he thinks his uncle will be healed for becoming a Christian. Somehow that whole being healed thing just kinda snuck into this thread. No one said that he would be healed for sure, and no one is expecting it either. After all thats not why he should become a Christian anyway. And if he truly does become one he will see that dying is a much greater reward then being healed. He will go to a much better place.

 
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