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K1052

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Some were paramilitaries carrying hostage kits (yikes!).

Yeah saw some pics of guys who looked like this. Wearing body armor too.

If the chambers are going to be used as safe rooms the Sargents at Arms and Capitol Police should probably have a secure stash of something a little more stout than carry pistols at the ready there. Maybe HK MP7s.
 
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DrunkenSano

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Given that one guy in a suit, firing one shot from a pistol managed to get the rioters to retreat whats the excuse for loads of heavily armed and armoured police not doing anything?

The police standard issue sidearm's targeting software only unlocks the trigger when they are pointing the weapon at a black or brown person.
 
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nOOky

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I like her asking, “Why didn’t they arrest him at the Capitol?” I think that is a great question. One that should be investigated with more repercussions for those who botched security so badly this day.

Likely logistics. You don't arrest thousands of people easily with limited resources available. Or it might get much worse. Everyone calling the leo's cowards probably have never faced down a situation like that.
 

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Likely logistics. You don't arrest thousands of people easily with limited resources available. Or it might get much worse. Everyone calling the leo's cowards probably have never faced down a situation like that.

I haven't noticed anyone calling them 'cowards', so much as pointing out they appear to be sympathetic to the attacking crowd. I doubt they'd have shown as much concern for 'limited resources' had the attackers been BLM or antifa. Besides, that just raises the question of why resources were so limited in the situation. Who failed to assign sufficient resuorces for what everyone could see coming?



So what was their end game here?

They execute the VP and Speaker and then all of a sudden the country is theirs? Or that now people are sympathetic to their "cause?"

Although if the actions of the capitol police are more pervasive and also within the military ranks, then I guess they could pull off a Gilead.


Yeah, it really doesn't seem like a fully-thought-through plan, does it?
I mean, I guess, technically, if they removed enough Democratic Congress people, there might not be a majority for certifying the EC vote, I suppose?
 

Fenixgoon

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Yeah, it really doesn't seem like a fully-thought-through plan, does it?
I mean, I guess, technically, if they removed enough Democratic Congress people, there might not be a majority for certifying the EC vote, I suppose?

i mentioned this to a friend of mine. i was (and still am) quite worried for what this means for the country at large, but at the same time, the one comforting piece of information is that I believed that even if the insurrection succeeded (in whatever capacity), none of them insurrectionists would really know what to do after the fact. they'd declare Trump the 2020 electoral winner? Yeah, cause people would really go along with that...
 

shortylickens

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And just like Fox News, the pundits are already scrambling to make the Libruls the perpetrators of this riot.

The mental gymnastics involved must be fantastic.
 
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NWRMidnight

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I keep looking at the pics of the guy in the animal skins, not the one with the horns, but the one with the staff and Fox? head headpiece. In every photo he looks glum. I think he intended suicide by cop and is like “I can’t even get shot storming the capitol, fuck my life.”
Are you talking about the "staff" with the flag attached to it? I noticed that it is a spear with a flag attached to it, not a "staff" if you you are referring to the same one.
 

Zorba

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Likely logistics. You don't arrest thousands of people easily with limited resources available. Or it might get much worse. Everyone calling the leo's cowards probably have never faced down a situation like that.
They were protecting the heads of government. They knew that was their job, and the retreated as armed attackers made it to full chambers. Most of them did not raise to the responsibility and decided they were just over paid security guards.

Not arresting is a different issue than completely failing to protect the capital from a coup attempt and standing by while insurgents tried to gain access to the #3 person in the country.

Or if they do disagree that they are paid, well, to risk their lives to protect our government's seat? Maybe it's time to reevaluate their pay if they don't believe in taking risks while attempting to foil a coup. Mall cops make about $10/hr here, no benefits.
 
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K1052

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The Capitol Police have a budget of half a billion per year to protect the complex. If it was its own city it would be like the 12th largest municipal police budget in the county. It was either a lack of planning, interest, or comprehension that resulted in this kind of huge failure all of which are firing offenses for its leadership.
 

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If there's anything I know about America, we are the best at blaming people/things for happening, but the worst at actually doing anything about it. Rinse. Repeat. This is persistent to the corporate environment, the academic environment, and the political one. Blame, blame, blame. But nothing else could have been done.
 

PingSpike

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They were protecting the heads of government. They knew that was their job, and the retreated as armed attackers made it to full chambers. Most of them did not raise to the responsibility and decided they were just over paid security guards.

I thought the courts ruled the police have no duty/requirement to protect anyone. Perhaps congress should consider passing some legislation requiring their asses be saved from the messes they created.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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The Capitol Police have a budget of half a billion per year to protect the complex. If it was its own city it would be like the 12th largest municipal police budget in the county. It was either a lack of planning, interest, or comprehension that resulted in this kind of huge failure all of which are firing offenses for its leadership.
If we were to line this up as a 1:1 based on population (I know we aren't), this would be roughly like either Austin or San Francisco being completely overrun by a mob of hostile enemies.
 

pmv

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The Capitol Police have a budget of half a billion per year to protect the complex. If it was its own city it would be like the 12th largest municipal police budget in the county. It was either a lack of planning, interest, or comprehension that resulted in this kind of huge failure all of which are firing offenses for its leadership.


As well as prosecutions, there needs to be a long list of firings after this fiasco.
 
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Zorba

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I thought the courts ruled the police have no duty/requirement to protect anyone. Perhaps congress should consider passing some legislation requiring their asses be saved from the messes they created.
That's fine, pay them like the mall cops they are then.
 

Heartbreaker

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Yeah saw some pics of guys who looked like this. Wearing body armor too.

If the chambers are going to be used as safe rooms the Sargents at Arms and Capitol Police should probably have a secure stash of something a little more stout than carry pistols at the ready there. Maybe HK MP7s.

Someone did a run down on what he was wearing:

 

Zorba

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If we were to line this up as a 1:1 based on population (I know we aren't), this would be roughly like either Austin or San Francisco being completely overrun by a mob of hostile enemies.
Here's a link: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-police-departments-in-the-us.html

Size of Boston PD, to protect a few city blocks and failed miserably. There is no excuse for what happened yesterday, especially when there are thousands of more LEOs with in miles.
 

pmv

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It was either active facilitation or total incompetence. Given there's at least some reason to suspect a sub-group of the attackers were planning something extremely serious, either way there needs to be some very major repercussions for this. Probably _everybody_ involved, at all levels, should be fired.
 
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uallas5

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Here's a link: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-police-departments-in-the-us.html

Size of Boston PD, to protect a few city blocks and failed miserably. There is no excuse for what happened yesterday, especially when there are thousands of more LEOs with in miles.
Listening to NPR this morning and they were interviewing a couple of reporters that were on site. One said she was in one of the Capitol office buildings (Cannon I think) and it went into lockdown BEFORE the Capitol building. So she goes through the tunnels to the Capitol, starts talking to some of the Capitol PD and they HAD NO IDEA that 2 of the office buildings were already under lockdown!! Talk about a cluster F of incompetence. It's called a radio numb nuts....use it!

(I looked but I can't find a link to this report on either the NPR website or GBH and I was in and out of the car so I'm not sure what show it was)
 
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