I don't. I don't want to underestimate these guys, especially if they have even an inkling of sympathy within law enforcement and military.
I get the sinking feeling we're going to look back at the January 6th attacks as child's play.
God I hope they do. Hopefully only hurting themselves.
Really, this should've happened at the outside windows and doors, not the speaker's door. That cop is a fucking hero.On the one hand I didn't want to watch that, because it felt kind of morbid, even morally questionable to do so. On the other hand I really was curious why that one individual got shot when so many others were part of the assault and emerged entirely unharmed.
All I can say is - what a momumental fiasco. I know people can say she bought it on herself by doing something so insane and illegal, but it's just absurd it was allowed to get to that point, where whoever's handgun that was (SS or cop?) felt they had to open fire to stop that last barrier protecting Congresscritters being breached. That somebody died, even a slightly insane person doing something both illegal and threatening, is another bad concequence of the way the police and the relevant authorities catastrophically mismanaged the whole affair. The blood is also on Trump's hands, of course - though he's clearly incapable of ever registering responsibility for anything he does.
A coup takes an element of surprise. There are going to be 10,000 troops and Leo in DC. I believe they'll do their jobs.I don't. I don't want to underestimate these guys, especially if they have even an inkling of sympathy within law enforcement and military.
I get the sinking feeling we're going to look back at the January 6th attacks as child's play.
Just saw that video on MSNBC. They were going to break those doors down, if they hadn't shot that stupid women.Really, this should've happened at the outside windows and doors, not the speaker's door. That cop is a fucking hero.
In this country I think the M16 is more acceptable than a water cannon.No, not this - please. Since these are gun nuts, seeing a few thousand M4 (A1?) carbines and M16s (A4?) in the hands of the capitol and national guards should give them pause. They know the damage that can be done very quickly. I do hope we have water cannons and other non-lethal crowd dispersal means at our disposal.
A coup takes an element of surprise. There are going to be 10,000 troops and Leo in DC. I believe they'll do their jobs.
I am most worried that a sole actor within the guard or LEO, especially a sniper, deciding to assassinate Biden, even knowing they would be killed in themselves in seconds.I was going to question this on twitter when I kept seeing the 19th. Then I realized their plan is to take buildings, congress members (either as hostages or kill them), BEFORE the 20th, in an attempt to prevent the inauguration of Biden. They may also try to attempt to assassinate Biden/Harris. This is not going to end well if they do not put the national guard in DC at every government building, starting now and keep them for at least 2 weeks AFTER Biden is sworn in.
How many of those troops are going to step forward in open treason when they know the three guys next to them will blow their brains out.Again as I said, it entiry depends on how many sympathizers and insiders they had. Look at the ease at which they just waltzed into the capitol.
It pains me to ask this, but how many of those 10000 troops will uphold their oaths?
I am most worried that a sole actor within the guard or LEO, especially a sniper, deciding to assassinate Biden...
Really, this should've happened at the outside windows and doors, not the speaker's door. That cop is a fucking hero.
I am most worried that a sole actor within the guard or LEO, especially a sniper, deciding to assassinate Biden, even knowing they would be killed in themselves in seconds.
Because they want Kamala Harris as President?
Presumably they would know, that assassinating Biden wouldn't return Dear Leader Trump.
I frankly can't bring myself to care. I've never owned a gun in my 53 years, probably never will, dislike cops in general and think their blue wall bullshit is out of control. Yet when these fucking white supremacist insane people take it upon themselves to attack government buildings--over complete, and utter bullshit!--I really don't care if they get mowed down, other than the mental anguish it might put on those doing the mowing. Any sane person part of an armed mob attacking an important government building should expect to be met with force. The secret service is no joke and they are not going to wait around to see if you are an ok guy just because you have a buffalo headdress on. Any incursion into the Capitol should be considered a hostile force, period, no matter how fucking fat and ridiculous they look.No, not this - please. Since these are gun nuts, seeing a few thousand M4 (A1?) carbines and M16s (A4?) in the hands of the capitol and national guards should give them pause. They know the damage that can be done very quickly. I do hope we have water cannons and other non-lethal crowd dispersal means at our disposal.
Maybe I'm just being too soft, but I don't think I agree. It can't be the case that the only way to stop a not-particularly-heavyset woman armed with what looked like nothing more than a stick, is to fatally shoot her.
It's looking like this guy has been identified. It's based on twitter sleuthing rather than an official charges being brought, so I don't want to link. It's really quite easy to find though. Assuming the ID is correct, dude is a bartender when he's not LARPing.Someone did a run down on what he was wearing:
Don't let the image fool you. This is a soft man baby, who wouldn't know anything about hard work, hardship or what freedom and liberty actually is.
WW2 veterans are rolling in their graves. What the fuck happened to America.
I can’t understand what half theseingratesinbred trump low IQ supporters are saying. It’s a different language down there ..
I think you and I have already had this conversation.Maybe I'm just being too soft, but I don't think I agree. It can't be the case that the only way to stop a not-particularly-heavyset woman armed with what looked like nothing more than a stick, is to fatally shoot her.
Sure, at the point the mob had actually reached, that close to important potential 'targets', and in the chaos of that situation, with all that had gone before, I'm not saying the shooter was unjustified. But at the outer doors, heck, a long way before the mob even reached the building's doors, it surely could and should have been possible to hold the attackers back and make it very clear that entering the building was not an option, without actually killing anyone. Heck, they had no problem previously stopping BLM protestors (and others) getting anywhere near that point.
It's possible that woman was a victim of her own 'white privilege' - she was so accustomed to the respect accorded to her skin-colour that it never occurred to her that doing what she did could lead to her being shot. Still seems to me that if the protection of the building had been conducted with a minimum degree of competency from the very start, probably nobody would have died. The level of ineptitude shown by the Capitol cops and others is just breathtaking to me, including the failure to prepare for the event in advance.
Edit - dear God they better do a better job preparing for the inauguration. Surely it's clear now that a significant number of white people out there are completely deranged?
I think you and I have already had this conversation.
I completely agree, this should've been stopped with non-lethal force outside. However, every member of congress and the VP were in that building, lethal force should've been used to keep them out if that is what it came to, especially to prevent anyone from getting near the chambers or offices.
If that woman had been by herself, I would be against her being shot. The fact is, she wasn't by herself, she was the tip of a hundred person spear. Shooting her was literally the only way to protect the Speaker of the House from a mob that likely had the intent to kill her.
If that had been a window on any random house in the United States and the home owner was who pulled the trigger, no one would have a issue with it. But instead of trying to steal a TV she wanted to capture and likely kill the Speaker of the House of the United States of America. This is a big fucking deal and I am glad the bitch got shot, because I value our government more than that dumb bitch's life. And shooting her, at that point, was literally the only option left in stopping the crowd. The same crowd that had just beaten another officer to death with a fire extinguisher.
I completely understand not wanting bloodshed, and I am glad we don't have 100s of dead people in the capitol. But this is a completely justified police shooting. Again, the right thing to do would've been to defend the barricades and likely 5 more people would be alive today.
More videos are coming out of their assaults on police, the only reason there wasn't lethal force used much more is because they were white, period. Just saw (literally) a video on CNN of protesters crushing an officer in the door while pulling off his gas mask and spraying him with pepper spray. AND THOSE ASSHOLES WALKED AWAY. Fuck this bitch trying to overthrow our government.
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More videos are coming out of their assaults on police, the only reason there wasn't lethal force used much more is because they were white, period. Just saw (literally) a video on CNN of protesters crushing an officer in the door while pulling off his gas mask and spraying him with pepper spray. AND THOSE ASSHOLES WALKED AWAY. Fuck this bitch trying to overthrow our government.
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If that had been a window on any random house in the United States and the home owner was who pulled the trigger, no one would have a issue with it.
Is that officer alright.
Full video:Poor guy. That was hard to watch. I hope he's ok. This was a serious assault on Police with zero regard for any harm they might cause.
The law and order, "blue lives matter" mob in action.
That seems rather specific to the United States. Here (in UK) I'd sure as hell have an issue with it. You don't kill someone just for trying to break in. You certainly don't shoot them (you might accidentally kill them, e.g. by pushing them out of an upper floor window they were trying to break in through, I guess).
@Zorba
Not sure if it's worth debating this indefinitely, because I think we only disagree on a fairly narrow sub-point.
But just trying to narrow that down as much as possible. When you say
That seems rather specific to the United States. Here (in UK) I'd sure as hell have an issue with it. You don't kill someone just for trying to break in. You certainly don't shoot them (you might accidentally kill them, e.g. by pushing them out of an upper floor window they were trying to break in through, I guess).
In the Capitol incident, as I said, given what was at stake and what had happened leading up to that point, I'm not arguing with the choice to shoot at that particular moment, and certainly not condemning the cop/agent who pulled the trigger. I'm just saying (and I think we maybe are in agreement on this?) that a competent police operation would have been able to stop the attackers long, long before it got to that last-resort point. And without needing to shoot anybody.
Also to be honest, I might be over-identifying this woman with women I have known (with diagnosed mental heatlh issues) who ended up in the grip of strange political beliefs, including Qanon-type stuff. That might be a mistake, as I see no reports that this individual had actual mental health problems... but it's hard to tell the difference with the deranged political ideologies that seem to have gripped a lot of Americans, and others, of late.
This list of the casualties of the attack, really makes a depressing read, it's like a catalog of the physical and mental health issues rife in "real America"
Capitol attack: the five people who died
Officer Brian Sicknick, 42, was reportedly struck in head during Wednesday’s riot, while four Trump supporters also diedwww.theguardian.com