US Job Numbers SUCK

RbSX

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Didn't see this posted today so I thought I'd throw it down here. Frankly, the USA job number are awful. Canada created more jobs than the USA, talk about depressing.

(Reuters) - U.S. jobs growth ground to a near halt in June, with employers hiring the fewest workers in nine months, frustrating hopes the economy would bounce back quickly from a slowdown in the first half of the year.

Nonfarm payrolls rose only 18,000, the weakest reading since September, the Labor Department said on Friday, well below economists' expectations for rise of at least 90,000.

The unemployment rate climbed to a six-month high of 9.2 percent from 9.1 percent in May even as jobseekers left the labor force in droves.

"The message on the economy is ongoing stagnation," said Pierre Ellis, senior economist at Decision economics in New York. "Income growth is marginal so there's no indication of momentum.

Stocks on Wall Street opened lower on the data, while U.S. Treasury debt prices rallied. The dollar was little changed against a basket of currencies.

The government revised April and May payrolls to show 44,000 fewer jobs created than previously reported.

The report shattered expectations the economy was starting to accelerate after a soft patch in the first half of the year.

It could prompt calls for the Federal Reserve to consider further action to help the economy, although officials have set a high bar after completing a $600 billion bond-buying program last week.

"This confirms our view that the Fed will continue to keep rates on hold into 2012 and if weak employment continues it will be pushed out even further," said Tom Porcelli, chief economist at RBC Capital Markets in New York.

Hopes were high that the economy was starting to find firmer ground as motor vehicle manufacturers ramped up production and gasoline prices descended from their lofty levels.

Economic activity in the first six months of the year was dampened by rising commodity prices and supply chain disruptions following Japan's devastating earthquake in March.

WHITE HOUSE HEADACHES

The data is a blow to the Obama administration, which has struggled to get the economy to create enough jobs to absorb the 14.1 million unemployed Americans. It could stiffen the resolve of Democrats to push for near-term stimulus as they seek a deal with Republicans to cut the U.S. budget deficit.

The economy is the top concern among voters and will feature prominently in President Barack Obama's bid for re-election next year.

So far, the economy has regained only a fraction of the more than 8 million jobs lost during the recession.

Republicans were quick to criticize the administration.

"Today's report is more evidence that the misguided 'stimulus' spending binge, excessive regulations, and an overwhelming national debt continue to hold back private-sector job creation in our country," House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said in a statement.

The economy needs to create between 125,000 and 150,000 new jobs a month just to absorb new labor force entrants.

White House economic advisor Austan Goolsbee told Reuters Insider that the economy was not facing a double-dip scenario, but said the weak jobs number should be a wake up call for both Democrats and Republicans to stop bickering about policy.

"This is not a double-dip. This is a reflection and reiteration that the growth rate slowed at the beginning of this year and that clearly has an impact on job creation," he said.

The private sector added 57,000 jobs last month, accounting for all the jobs created, with government employment shrinking 39,000 because of fiscal problems at local and state governments.

Details of the report showed widespread weakness, though factory payrolls rebounded 6,000 after contracting in May for the first time in seven months, with the recovery reflecting a step-up in motor vehicle production.

Construction employment fell 9,000 last month after declining 4,000 in May. Government employment declined for an eighth straight month as municipalities and state governments continued to wield the ax to balance their budgets.

The report also showed the average workweek fell to 34.3 hours from 34.4 hours. Employers have been reluctant to extend hours because of the uncertainty surrounding the recovery.

Average hourly earnings slipped a penny, the first decline since November and more evidence that wage-driven inflation is not a risk. Over the past year, earnings have risen only 1.9 percent.

I just want to add that I don't think that this is Obama's fault, rather, it's the current state of global affairs. Many more right wing people on this board have said how Reagan changed the mentality of the United States, and that Obama should be able to do the same. I would argue that Reagan changed the mentality by selling the United States future, which is pretty hard to fix.

Anyways, back to the point, this is really bad news.
 

spidey07

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"White House economic advisor Austan Goolsbee told Reuters Insider that the economy was not facing a double-dip scenario, but said the weak jobs number should be a wake up call for both Democrats and Republicans to stop bickering about policy.

"This is not a double-dip. This is a reflection and reiteration that the growth rate slowed at the beginning of this year and that clearly has an impact on job creation," he said."



And you're right. Obama has changed the minds of people, he's forcing them to hold onto their wallets and save to absorb his economic policies and demonization of profit and hard work/responsibility. With all his handouts, folks are honestly thinking "why work? I'm the sucker here". And I love how it's always "unexpectedly dropped", who the hell didn't expect this?
 
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Atreus21

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Didn't see this posted today so I thought I'd throw it down here. Frankly, the USA job number are awful. Canada created more jobs than the USA, talk about depressing.



I just want to add that I don't think that this is Obama's fault, rather, it's the current state of global affairs. Many more right wing people on this board have said how Reagan changed the mentality of the United States, and that Obama should be able to do the same. I would argue that Reagan changed the mentality by selling the United States future, which is pretty hard to fix.

Anyways, back to the point, this is really bad news.

How did Reagan sell the United States' future?
 

Thump553

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And yesterday's job numbers were unexpectedly good (ADP employment report for June, 157,000 new jobs where 60,000 expected, week ending June 2 UC claims 418k where 425k was expected).

The key to today's lousy numbers is buried in the middle of your article-the shrinkage in public sector jobs due to cutbacks by state and local governments. Can't hardly blame on Obama exactly what the GOP wants.

My viewpoint-disappointing but hardly unexpected numbers. We will continue to stagger along for quite a while now unless the GOP suceeds in causing a federal default-then our economy will surely begin a severe crash, along with much of the rest of the world. Unless and until we invest serious money in infrastructure rebuilding (and the jobs it produces) mediocre is the best we will do.
 

yllus

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Saw this linked this morning - private sector jobs under Obama:

 

RbSX

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And yesterday's job numbers were unexpectedly good (ADP employment report for June, 157,000 new jobs where 60,000 expected, week ending June 2 UC claims 418k where 425k was expected).

The key to today's lousy numbers is buried in the middle of your article-the shrinkage in public sector jobs due to cutbacks by state and local governments. Can't hardly blame on Obama exactly what the GOP wants.

My viewpoint-disappointing but hardly unexpected numbers. We will continue to stagger along for quite a while now unless the GOP suceeds in causing a federal default-then our economy will surely begin a severe crash, along with much of the rest of the world. Unless and until we invest serious money in infrastructure rebuilding (and the jobs it produces) mediocre is the best we will do.

ADP is a joke, I've been watching their stats like a hawk, inevitably they always end up revising the numbers downwards.

A few months ago they reported almost 200k jobs created, a month later they revised that number down by over 100k.

Bear in mind, not all of the world is currently suffering.
 

PokerGuy

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I'm sure the apologists will be here shortly, with the chant of "but but boooooosh!". Bad numbers indeed, and the future outlook isn't any better.
 

RbSX

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I'm sure the apologists will be here shortly, with the chant of "but but boooooosh!". Bad numbers indeed, and the future outlook isn't any better.

Like I said, I don't think it's fair to assign blame to Obama.. not everything is about assigning fault.
 

RbSX

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"White House economic advisor Austan Goolsbee told Reuters Insider that the economy was not facing a double-dip scenario, but said the weak jobs number should be a wake up call for both Democrats and Republicans to stop bickering about policy.

"This is not a double-dip. This is a reflection and reiteration that the growth rate slowed at the beginning of this year and that clearly has an impact on job creation," he said."



And you're right. Obama has changed the minds of people, he's forcing them to hold onto their wallets and save to absorb his economic policies and demonization of profit and hard work/responsibility. With all his handouts, folks are honestly thinking "why work? I'm the sucker here". And I love how it's always "unexpectedly dropped", who the hell didn't expect this?


America stopped being about hard work a long time before Obama came into power, that being said, the unemployment and benefits has to stop, why support people who never contributed to start off with. It's called deadweight, and that describes a lot of America right now.
 

Gigantopithecus

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Like I said, I don't think it's fair to assign blame to Obama.. not everything is about assigning fault.

Blaming Obama is foolish. The trend primarily started with Reagan, Clinton accelerated it with NAFTA, W didn't do anything to help, and so far neither has Obama.

Who's the member with the line in his sig about fixing an economy that's been offshored? Kentucky Engineer or something like that?
 

RbSX

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Blaming Obama is foolish. The trend primarily started with Reagan, Clinton accelerated it with NAFTA, W didn't do anything to help, and so far neither has Obama.

Who's the member with the line in his sig about fixing an economy that's been offshored? Kentucky Engineer or something like that?

This is the basis for my belief that Reagan started this. When the over emphasis on rabid capitalism for the relentless pursuit of profit started selling American jobs abroad.

Though I'd hardly say NAFTA is to blame, though Mexico has been taking some American jerbs.

Edit: It's way easier to send jobs abroad than it is to bring them back.
 

yllus

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I was betting (literally with money) on this.

I'm sort of glad that my latest career change took me from a company that was 90% dependent on revenue from the U.S. to a company that's 90% dependent on revenue from Canadians. We'll drop if they drop, but I think it'll be buffered somewhat.
 

umbrella39

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"White House economic advisor Austan Goolsbee told Reuters Insider that the economy was not facing a double-dip scenario, but said the weak jobs number should be a wake up call for both Democrats and Republicans to stop bickering about policy.

"This is not a double-dip. This is a reflection and reiteration that the growth rate slowed at the beginning of this year and that clearly has an impact on job creation," he said."



And you're right. Obama has changed the minds of people, he's forcing them to hold onto their wallets and save to absorb his economic policies and demonization of profit and hard work/responsibility. With all his handouts, folks are honestly thinking "why work? I'm the sucker here". And I love how it's always "unexpectedly dropped", who the hell didn't expect this?

But, But, But Obama?

Who told us we had to extend Bush era tax cuts so the great job creators would hire Americans?

That was Obama that told us that? So it's not that those job creators AREN'T doing as you promised us they would and create jobs, no... you are saying the jobs are there? It's just that handouts are so awesome that Americans just don't want to work any more!

Interesting revision.
 
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Skitzer

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I would argue that Reagan changed the mentality by selling the United States future, which is pretty hard to fix.

Go ahead and argue it, I'm listening. Exactly how did he sell the US future?
 

RbSX

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Go ahead and argue it, I'm listening. Exactly how did he sell the US future?

I already brought up the premise for my argument a few posts above. My beliefs are my beliefs and I don't expect to be able to change anyone's minds so why waste my time going into extreme depth about it?
 

Skitzer

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I already brought up the premise for my argument a few posts above. My beliefs are my beliefs and I don't expect to be able to change anyone's minds so why waste my time going into extreme depth about it?

If you're not willing to go into it then why state it?
If you had said "in my opinion", I would have just breezed by your post but you stated you would "argue" it like you knew what you were talking about.
So it's just your opinion and like assholes, everyone has one.
 

RbSX

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If you're not willing to go into it then why state it?
If you had said "in my opinion", I would have just breezed by your post but you stated you would "argue" it like you knew what you were talking about.
So it's just your opinion and like assholes, everyone has one.

And so are yours. The basis for my opinion is this, the unscrupulous pursuit of profit has sold off American jobs for the sake of a few dollars here and there. Well, those missing jobs are costing the country a lot more than the sum of those extra profits.

I mean seriously, wouldn't America love to have those jobs back now? Reagan wasn't solely responsible, this is the culmination of the last 25 years bad decisions.
 

drebo

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This is the basis for my belief that Reagan started this. When the over emphasis on rabid capitalism for the relentless pursuit of profit started selling American jobs abroad.

Though I'd hardly say NAFTA is to blame, though Mexico has been taking some American jerbs.

Edit: It's way easier to send jobs abroad than it is to bring them back.

Your blame is misplaced. Stop looking at the "evil capitalist megacorp owners". They don't employ the majority of Americans anyway. Small businesses do. And this economy, Bush's economy, and Obama's policies are NOT condusive to small business growth.

How many millions of small businesses are there in the US? What would happen to employment numbers if even half of them were to hire one more person?

How many of them can't because they don't believe they'll be able to hold on to them or because American workers demand too much? Recent inflation has made it virtually impossible to hire new people. The small business I work at could use another one or two people, honestly, but we simply can't afford the risk hiring anyone right now. Our insurance benefits are going way up, which costs the company more, requiring us to make everyone go to a much, much worse benefits plan. We've got work running out our ears, but we can't hire anyone new for three main reasons: 1) cost is too high in intangibles (benefits, min-wage, etc), 2) uncertainty that some policy change will render portions of our business inoperable, and 3) very few people are qualified enough or have enough ambition to learn what we need them to do.

We're not looking for rocket scientists...just people with good organization skills, good ability to learn, and good reasoning skills. Nobody like that is applying because they've already figured out that they're more or less better off on unemployment.

Blaming megacorps offshoring work that most Americans wouldn't want to do anyway is short-sighted and just plain wrong. It won't fix what's at the heart of the problem (entitlement attitude and overreaching policy by the Federal government).
 

RbSX

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Your blame is misplaced. Stop looking at the "evil capitalist megacorp owners". They don't employ the majority of Americans anyway. Small businesses do. And this economy, Bush's economy, and Obama's policies are NOT condusive to small business growth.

How many millions of small businesses are there in the US? What would happen to employment numbers if even half of them were to hire one more person?

How many of them can't because they don't believe they'll be able to hold on to them or because American workers demand too much? Recent inflation has made it virtually impossible to hire new people. The small business I work at could use another one or two people, honestly, but we simply can't afford the risk hiring anyone right now. Our insurance benefits are going way up, which costs the company more, requiring us to make everyone go to a much, much worse benefits plan. We've got work running out our ears, but we can't hire anyone new for three main reasons: 1) cost is too high in intangibles (benefits, min-wage, etc), 2) uncertainty that some policy change will render portions of our business inoperable, and 3) very few people are qualified enough or have enough ambition to learn what we need them to do.

We're not looking for rocket scientists...just people with good organization skills, good ability to learn, and good reasoning skills. Nobody like that is applying because they've already figured out that they're more or less better off on unemployment.

Blaming megacorps offshoring work that most Americans wouldn't want to do anyway is short-sighted and just plain wrong. It won't fix what's at the heart of the problem (entitlement attitude and overreaching policy by the Federal government).

IMHO the reason no one is applying for many of the jobs available is because many have over hyped college degrees and 10s of thousands of dollars in debt and feel that they are entitled to an awesome job.

The reality is that those aren't the jobs available and many people don't need an expensive degree in philosophy, English or art history.

Edit: For the record, I find the problems in the United States mind boggling, as I think many of the casual observers feel the same way.

I do agree with much of your argument though.
 

Skitzer

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The basis for my opinion is this, the unscrupulous pursuit of profit has sold off American jobs for the sake of a few dollars here and there. Well, those missing jobs are costing the country a lot more than the sum of those extra profits.

And this has to do with Reagan how?
 

hal2kilo

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The key to today's lousy numbers is buried in the middle of your article-the shrinkage in public sector jobs due to cutbacks by state and local governments. Can't hardly blame on Obama exactly what the GOP wants.

Stimulus money running out. And the Republicans' religious belief that all are problems are all the sudden caused by massive deficits. So they'll fix the problem by cutting back more on public spending and employment. No conspiracy to make the numbers look bad the 2012 here.
 
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