US Job Numbers SUCK

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dmcowen674

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Engineer

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Until we address global labor arbitrage, our nation's economy will not improve. However, our politicians won't acknowledge or address the problem, and the current state of affairs is good for wealthy people because they can become even wealthier when market forces dictate poverty-wages for the vast majority of the populace.

Address it? Hell, Obama wants 3 more "so called free trade" agreements right now to "fix the issue". What a stupid shit he is becoming.
 

Engineer

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I've hearing we've lost ZERO federal jobs. So no, I don't think you're factually correct.

As far as state and local jobs, I've heard a much lower number than "hundreds of thousands". However, given the lower tax base available to state/local (real estate values down so r/e tax, sales down so less sales tax, income tax so less income tax revenue) and no more huge federal subsidies (stimulus bill) state/local sector employment should fall even more.

Fern

Wait, what? Cutting spending doesn't increase jobs? Color me shocked.
 

Thump553

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Address it? Hell, Obama wants 3 more "so called free trade" agreements right now to "fix the issue". What a stupid shit he is becoming.

Actually Obama is holding those up and the Senate GOP are pushing him to fast track them. Obama's holding them up to have horsetrading material with the GOP for things he wants.

But carry on, we all understand the theme is Obama is responsible for everything wrong (or even slightly unpleasant).
 

Engineer

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Actually Obama is holding those up and the Senate GOP are pushing him to fast track them. Obama's holding them up to have horsetrading material with the GOP for things he wants.

But carry on, we all understand the theme is Obama is responsible for everything wrong (or even slightly unpleasant).

LOL.....I've defended him by far more than I've criticized him. With that said, it was listed on Yahoo yesterday that he wanted the 3 trade agreements passed. I'll try to dig it up.

Edit: here you go...http://www.latimes.com/news/science/environment/la-na-obama-jobs-20110709,0,4143798.story?track=rss

(but feel free to continue to beat on me for posting what I have read).

IMO, it's these so called FREE trade agreements that are killing us but I'm sure that I'll just be accused of being a union supporting (I really dislike unions pretty much with a passion), protectionism loving, higher price wanting fool.
 
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Jhhnn

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i see now hiring freaking everywhere

Well, yeh- it's best to just put a sign in the window rather than advertise. That way, you won't have to deal with the inconvenience of hundreds of applicants per job.

Back in 2009, the small law firm my wife manages needed a part time receptionist/ file clerk, so she advertised in Craigslist, got over 500 applicants in 24 hrs. She pulled the ad immediately, but still received over 200 additional applicants over the following few days.

Anybody who thinks that the Private Sector, the Sacred & Benevolent domain of the omniscient Job Creators! is doing more for employment than taking their profits & stuffing them into their mattresses has shit fer brains.

Unemployment is going up, not down, so what we really need is to cut, cut, cut! government spending to put more people out of work to create growth! Ask Boehner, or Bachmann, or McConnell or any well indoctrinated wing nut- they'll tell you.
 

theeedude

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Yep, private sector is not going to invest with government threatening to either default or cut spending. Why put your money on the line if the House of Representatives is playing Russian Roulette with the US economy?
 

Jhhnn

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Yep, private sector is not going to invest with government threatening to either default or cut spending. Why put your money on the line if the House of Representatives is playing Russian Roulette with the US economy?

The private sector wasn't doing shit before Repubs contrived this debt ceiling fracas, and, as you say, they sure as hell won't change their ways except maybe for the worse either way the axe falls.

Anybody with truly large assets, low debt, high income & available liquidity is now creaming their jeans in anticipation of the upcoming debt/deflation spiral...

If that's not you, well, get ready to take a beating.
 

dmcowen674

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Well, yeh- it's best to just put a sign in the window rather than advertise. That way, you won't have to deal with the inconvenience of hundreds of applicants per job.

Back in 2009, the small law firm my wife manages needed a part time receptionist/ file clerk, so she advertised in Craigslist, got over 500 applicants in 24 hrs. She pulled the ad immediately, but still received over 200 additional applicants over the following few days.

Anybody who thinks that the Private Sector, the Sacred & Benevolent domain of the omniscient Job Creators! is doing more for employment than taking their profits & stuffing them into their mattresses has shit fer brains.

Unemployment is going up, not down, so what we really need is to cut, cut, cut! government spending to put more people out of work to create growth! Ask Boehner, or Bachmann, or McConnell or any well indoctrinated wing nut- they'll tell you.

It's amazing to see in the two major papers in Chicago (Tribune and Sun Times) with two million people and no job advertisements in the Help Wanted section. They may as well eliminate the category.
 

Red Dawn

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Weren't the majhority of thse jobs lost in the Public Sector? Republicans should love it, smaller government.
 

badb0y

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I wish Obama doesn't get re-elected, I just want to see how much different a Republican president would handle this.
 

HeXen

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Where is everywhere? Certainly not here in Chicago.

Massive layoffs announced

then go elsewhere. or just sit and complain, whichever.
i'm in Indiana, Went to lunch and sign said on counter, hiring culinary. Union jobs available looking to train aerial powerline workers..whatever they call them, i was asked to put an app in for Asplundh last week.
Utility contractors hiring, Electricians wanted and assembly plant workers for progressive rail.

On top of all them, theres of course tons of low skilled offerings, i saw some at Target, Meijer and the Mall, i forget where else.
 

ProfJohn

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The EPA responded to bad jobs numbers by introducing regulations that would led to MORE job losses...

From the AP
EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson announced on Thursday a plan to reduce smokestack pollution causing smog and soot in downwind states — where it combines with local air contaminants, making it impossible for those states to meet air quality standards on their own...

While the EPA says the suite of regulations will not cause the power to go out, almost everyone agrees that it will help close down some of the oldest, and dirtiest, coal-fired facilities. At the remaining plants, operators would have to use existing pollution controls more frequently, use lower-sulfur coal, or install additional equipment.
"The EPA is ignoring the cumulative economic damage new regulations will cause," said Steve Miller, president and CEO of the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, a pro-coal industry association. Along with other pending regulations, Miller said they "are among the most expensive ever imposed by the agency."
The regulation replaces a 2005 Bush administration proposal that was rejected by a federal court.
The rule, which will start going into effect next year, will cost power plant operators $800 million annually in 2014, according to EPA estimates. That's in addition to the $1.6 billion spent per year to comply with the Bush rule that was still in effect until the government drafted a new one. The agency said the investments would be far outweighed by the hundreds of billions of dollars in health care savings from cleaner air.


Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpps/hea...ion-dpgapx-20110707-ch_14022886#ixzz1Re1s2NjK
Wonder where that $2.4 billion per year is going to come from? I can't imagine that energy produces would want to pass those additional costs to consumers, right?
 
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Jhhnn

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The EPA responded to bad jobs numbers by introducing regulations that would led to MORE job losses...

From the AP

Wonder where that $2.4 billion per year is going to come from? I can't imagine that energy produces would want to pass those additional costs to consumers, right?

How does any of this equate to job losses?
 

ProfJohn

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Where is that $2.4 billion going to come from?

Out of the pockets of the people who can afford it the least. When the electric bill jumps $20 a month that is $20 less to spend on McDonald's so McDonald's lays off some workers etc etc.
 

Jhhnn

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Where is that $2.4 billion going to come from?

Out of the pockets of the people who can afford it the least. When the electric bill jumps $20 a month that is $20 less to spend on McDonald's so McDonald's lays off some workers etc etc.

Heh. But the utility companies will need to hire workers to implement the policy, buy & maintain equipment, too. This isn't job loss, but rather job shifting.

I suppose you could make the argument that the benefits of less air pollution will ultimately affect the jobs of healthcare workers, but I doubt you want to go there...
 

Engineer

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Where is that $2.4 billion going to come from?

Out of the pockets of the people who can afford it the least. When the electric bill jumps $20 a month that is $20 less to spend on McDonald's so McDonald's lays off some workers etc etc.

Same can be said when a factory closes down and ships the jobs offshore. Not only can those people not afford to now buy McDonalds, they are in direct competition with other people for the McDonalds jobs.

Oh wait, that can't be true....we are making more stuff than ever so everyone is making good money. :roll:
 

Engineer

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Ford just announced another 1500 jobs here in Louisville. Good for ford!

:thumbsup:

Haven't seen/heard of many hirings or layoffs lately here. Did hear on the news this week that Trimmasters was letting half of their people go here. I know that they used to supply Toyota but not sure now.
 

Slew Foot

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Economy in the San Jose area is pretty nice. Every time some tech company thinks about doing an IPO, theres a run on million dollar homes and all the BMW dealers run out of M3s.
 

Jhhnn

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Economy in the San Jose area is pretty nice. Every time some tech company thinks about doing an IPO, theres a run on million dollar homes and all the BMW dealers run out of M3s.

Heh. That's why the unemployment rate is ~9.9%, huh? Trickledown at work, I suppose...

In Louisville, Ky, it's only 9.5%, ever so much better.

Muncie has been solving its unemployment problem by shedding population over the last decade, even longer....

So, uhh, don't piss down my leg & tell me it's raining, OK?
 

theeedude

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The EPA responded to bad jobs numbers by introducing regulations that would led to MORE job losses...

From the AP

Wonder where that $2.4 billion per year is going to come from? I can't imagine that energy produces would want to pass those additional costs to consumers, right?

Where are those $2.4 billion per year going to go to is the better question. They are going to go to create jobs building new, cleaner, power plants. End result is people are going to have jobs and the air is going to get cleaner.
 
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