USA is #1.

[boss6021]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: boss6021

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Unless you want to release rapists/murders/crack dealers/drunk drivers/white collar criminals to cause more havoc etc... Legalizing pot is not going to do much except release pot dealers. Pot losers err users have very light sentences anyways.

LIGHT SENTENCES!!! Haha that is funny. Obviously you have never met anyone accused or caught in such acts. My mother (just yesterday) was released from prison for supposedly dealing pot. This is a woman who has only had one ticket in her whole life. They came in took her house, her cars, her belongings and threw her in jail. Then they gave her 40 years in prison. This all happened on the accusations of our neighbor who we have disputed with for years about property lines. This is the punishment for someone who is a model citizen and has never been in any trouble. Imagine if you have any criminal history. Now go on to tell me how invincible you are and how good of lawyer you have, cause guess what boys and girls, you don't have ******. The only reason she was released yesterday is she fought for 819 days straight to get an appeal and a new trial. She was "railroaded" by the prosecutor, judge, state. Everyone. Her first trial she was not even present for. Even though she was in there custody. She finally won her appeal to the supreme court. They made her case an example. She was released, but then the county where she lived claimed she had been on the run for over two years and failed to make a bogus court appearance. So, they had her re-arrested. Same charges brought against her. This time though we rallied the community and told her story. After i contacted all the witnesses i could muster, we were ready to go to trial. The prosecutor knew he did'nt have anything. He chickened out at the last minute and offered her a full differed sentence of six years and 3 on probation. Personally i told her not to take it. Although, i know how hard time can be. She took the differed sentence and is now living with her son, me. A grown ass woman living with her son because of greed. Some of you might be thinking "This couldn't happen where i live." and i will tell you that it does already. She lived in a small rural community in Montana. With a whopping population of 3000. This is a place where you know everything and everyone. If it can happen here and be this corrupt, then i'm willing to bet money that in the larger cities and towns things are alot worse. This country needs to pull it's head out of it's ass and wake up. It doesn't matter democrat or republican. Neither exist! This government is not right, this "United States" isn't right. People are far too lazy to try and fix it they leave it to there neighbor. Well after this story i hope you all realize where your neighbor could get you. This nation will fall soon, (without intervention). Everyone here seems ok with it too. They are like well what can we do? The people who wrote the Constitution wrote it to remind us everyday that we have the power not the government. We can tell the president what to do, we tell congress to stop spending so much on worthless crap. The people need to be united. By the way, the reason we are #1 in the world is jailing people is very profitable. The reason our law is the way it is today is because it is profitable. Admiralty law is what we are under today, not constitutional. Next time one of you is in a court room, look at the fringe around the American flag, notice how it is gold. It's not for looks and cause it's pretty. That is because you are under a different rule set. You can thank the loveable Abraham Lincoln for that. We are under-educated savages in a political palm greasing party. The funny thing is, unless you are a lawyer, you probably won't get to see any law books or info on this. Why?, because law is copyrighted now. So we are stuck being open mouth pot-bellied savages for the rest of our days, unless we take control of what is ours. This is my rant. I hope i have offended many and at least made some of you think "That is ****** up."

Mike

Paragraphs boy, paragraphs. Did you mom have any marijuana in her possession and if so how much? You left that relevant fact out of your story.

Why would she take any sentence or any jailtime if she was completely innocent? There's a lot about this story I find questionable. Why also would she have all of her assets seized if there was no evidence whatsoever of her activities?

There was marijuana at the residence. Which happened to be my uncles. We agreed to have him stay with us while he found a job. Come to find out, he had no intentions of getting a job. He had just been released from Salt Lake City prison. They found 3 ounces. 3 ounces in the state of Montana is a felony. Now as for her getting blamed for it, three things came into factor: 1.)In Montana if it is in your house you are responsible for it. 2.)Her brother, after being caught robbing the hardware center in town, was arrested and where he was staying was searched. 3.)Instead of him just taking the blame and going down hard like he should have, he instead decided to take a (snitcher's bargain) and turn on my mother and say that it was her's. For one the only witness they called against her was my uncle, two she was not allowed any witnesses. I was not notified of trial or hearing dates through the whole ordeal dispite my calling and harassing. Thus why i refer to it as (railroading). The reason her assets were siezed is because 1.)Profit. (Read: Because they could and get away with it, or so they think) 2.)The house she owns (and i say owns because it is still homesteaded) is a historical house worth alot of money, 2.)She drove a maroon Dodge Stealth that was in immaculate condition. She also had more valuable knick nack crap than god. The point i'm making is the government, the police, whoever do not have to play by the rules that you and I do. Especially after this Patriot Act crapola. Any other questions i would be happy to fill you in on the morbidity of this case and others i have witnessed.

Mike

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Face it, either the USA prison/judicial system has a problem, or the US society has a problem as a whole.

This country has a lot of problems, there is no doubt about that but if you think you are going to get accurate statistics on subjects like these out of the Chinese government then you need to take off the rose colored glasses.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Strk
China my be losing at imprisonment, but as others have said, why imprison dead people?

The Death Penalty in 2005: China

In China - the country that accounts for around 80% of all executions - a person can be sentenced and executed for as many as 68 crimes, including non-violent crimes such as tax fraud, embezzlement and drug offences. 1,770 executions were reportedly carried out in China during 2005. However, a Chinese legal expert was recently quoted as stating the true figure for executions is more like 8,000.

Source

Heh, even if China put those 8,000 people in prison instead of executing them, that would add like 0.67 prisoner per 100,000.

Face it, either the USA prison/judicial system has a problem, or the US society has a problem as a whole.

Or the US is more effective at catching criminals and adminstering justice.

 

[boss6021]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jrenz
Why would she take any sentence or any jailtime if she was completely innocent? There's a lot about this story I find questionable. Why also would she have all of her assets seized if there was no evidence whatsoever of her activities?

That was my point. Is is a case where she thought having a few pounds of marijuana around should have been her right and she got busted? This story is being told from a single perspective and leaving out the information needed to understand what happened. For the government to seize her property she must have had a significant amount of marijuana on hand.....but I'm sure there was a logical answer for that in her mind. I don't know, provide all the facts and then we can decide.

I apologize for the single point of view. It's an extremely lengthy case. For them to sieze your property all they (the government that be) have to do is have reason to think you distributed and profited enough to buy said house and car. Which the neighbor so graciously provided a reasonable doubt. Yes my mother smoked pot, but very little and never distributed it. She paid for the house and the car working 3 jobs. That is why she smoked marijauna was to put up with the stress and insomnia. The amount she had was a misdemeanor. In fact it was mostly residue in a bong.

Mike

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Strk
China my be losing at imprisonment, but as others have said, why imprison dead people?

The Death Penalty in 2005: China

In China - the country that accounts for around 80% of all executions - a person can be sentenced and executed for as many as 68 crimes, including non-violent crimes such as tax fraud, embezzlement and drug offences. 1,770 executions were reportedly carried out in China during 2005. However, a Chinese legal expert was recently quoted as stating the true figure for executions is more like 8,000.

Source

Heh, even if China put those 8,000 people in prison instead of executing them, that would add like 0.67 prisoner per 100,000.

Face it, either the USA prison/judicial system has a problem, or the US society has a problem as a whole.

Or the US is more effective at catching criminals and adminstering justice.

More than likely it is that the US government is more effective at reporting the ACTUAL numbers of prisoners in custody. You expect the truth from a Communist government if it is not flattering?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Strk
China my be losing at imprisonment, but as others have said, why imprison dead people?

The Death Penalty in 2005: China

In China - the country that accounts for around 80% of all executions - a person can be sentenced and executed for as many as 68 crimes, including non-violent crimes such as tax fraud, embezzlement and drug offences. 1,770 executions were reportedly carried out in China during 2005. However, a Chinese legal expert was recently quoted as stating the true figure for executions is more like 8,000.

Source

Heh, even if China put those 8,000 people in prison instead of executing them, that would add like 0.67 prisoner per 100,000.

Face it, either the USA prison/judicial system has a problem, or the US society has a problem as a whole.

Or the US is more effective at catching criminals and adminstering justice.

More than likely it is that the US government is more effective at reporting the ACTUAL numbers of prisoners in custody. You expect the truth from a Communist government if it is not flattering?

Okay, so you are GUESSING China imprisons more people per 100,000 than US? Well, maybe that's true, maybe that's not. Until you find some hard evidence, maybe it's more productive to take a hard look at the US society and system and see what's going wrong. It doesn't matter what China do, regardless of China, it's a fact that US have huge prision population compare to the rest of the world. Don't you think doing something about your own society is more productive than point finger and laughing at the others?

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Okay, so you are GUESSING China imprisons more people per 100,000 than US? Well, maybe that's true, maybe that's not. Until you find some hard evidence, maybe it's more productive to take a hard look at the US society and system and see what's going wrong. It doesn't matter what China do, regardless of China, it's a fact that US have huge prision population compare to the rest of the world. Don't you think doing something about your own society is more productive than point finger and laughing at the others?

I earlier stated that we have a problem in this country, but I see you failed to notice that. I am not going to be able to get RELIABLE statistics or data about China if it is something that will not show China in a flattering light. You are delusional. I never said that China would have more people in prison per capita than the US either. I don't know what the truth is, I am just confident that China is under reporting the numbers here. I just have a problem with any statistics about China where you have to RELY on the Chinese government for their accuracy.

 

[TipsyMcStagger]

Keep in mind that healthwise, prisoners in the US system are treated much better than some of the other countries mentioned. The prisoners stay alive longer.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: boss6021

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Unless you want to release rapists/murders/crack dealers/drunk drivers/white collar criminals to cause more havoc etc... Legalizing pot is not going to do much except release pot dealers. Pot losers err users have very light sentences anyways.

LIGHT SENTENCES!!! Haha that is funny. Obviously you have never met anyone accused or caught in such acts. My mother (just yesterday) was released from prison for supposedly dealing pot. This is a woman who has only had one ticket in her whole life. They came in took her house, her cars, her belongings and threw her in jail. Then they gave her 40 years in prison. This all happened on the accusations of our neighbor who we have disputed with for years about property lines. This is the punishment for someone who is a model citizen and has never been in any trouble. Imagine if you have any criminal history. Now go on to tell me how invincible you are and how good of lawyer you have, cause guess what boys and girls, you don't have ******. The only reason she was released yesterday is she fought for 819 days straight to get an appeal and a new trial. She was "railroaded" by the prosecutor, judge, state. Everyone. Her first trial she was not even present for. Even though she was in there custody. She finally won her appeal to the supreme court. They made her case an example. She was released, but then the county where she lived claimed she had been on the run for over two years and failed to make a bogus court appearance. So, they had her re-arrested. Same charges brought against her. This time though we rallied the community and told her story. After i contacted all the witnesses i could muster, we were ready to go to trial. The prosecutor knew he did'nt have anything. He chickened out at the last minute and offered her a full differed sentence of six years and 3 on probation. Personally i told her not to take it. Although, i know how hard time can be. She took the differed sentence and is now living with her son, me. A grown ass woman living with her son because of greed. Some of you might be thinking "This couldn't happen where i live." and i will tell you that it does already. She lived in a small rural community in Montana. With a whopping population of 3000. This is a place where you know everything and everyone. If it can happen here and be this corrupt, then i'm willing to bet money that in the larger cities and towns things are alot worse. This country needs to pull it's head out of it's ass and wake up. It doesn't matter democrat or republican. Neither exist! This government is not right, this "United States" isn't right. People are far too lazy to try and fix it they leave it to there neighbor. Well after this story i hope you all realize where your neighbor could get you. This nation will fall soon, (without intervention). Everyone here seems ok with it too. They are like well what can we do? The people who wrote the Constitution wrote it to remind us everyday that we have the power not the government. We can tell the president what to do, we tell congress to stop spending so much on worthless crap. The people need to be united. By the way, the reason we are #1 in the world is jailing people is very profitable. The reason our law is the way it is today is because it is profitable. Admiralty law is what we are under today, not constitutional. Next time one of you is in a court room, look at the fringe around the American flag, notice how it is gold. It's not for looks and cause it's pretty. That is because you are under a different rule set. You can thank the loveable Abraham Lincoln for that. We are under-educated savages in a political palm greasing party. The funny thing is, unless you are a lawyer, you probably won't get to see any law books or info on this. Why?, because law is copyrighted now. So we are stuck being open mouth pot-bellied savages for the rest of our days, unless we take control of what is ours. This is my rant. I hope i have offended many and at least made some of you think "That is ****** up."

Mike

You mind stating that supreme court case. I assume you mom was prosecuted in Montana? wasn't too sure since its a big blob. Mother's last name would help too.

 

[Martin]

Wooo! Go USA!

 

[lockheed2266]

It's to bad because law abiding US citizens have to pay money for these criminals so they can have food, water, air conditioning, clothing, and other things. something has to be done. Drugs and other illeagal acts pose a hughe threat to our society.

 

[Zebo]

Most people are in jail for drugs. Decriminalization of drugs would not only empty out our prisons it would overnight slash murder rates, theft, robbery rates which are mostly done to either protect drug turf or to obtain the artifically high priced drugs.

 

[boss6021]

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: boss6021

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Unless you want to release rapists/murders/crack dealers/drunk drivers/white collar criminals to cause more havoc etc... Legalizing pot is not going to do much except release pot dealers. Pot losers err users have very light sentences anyways.

LIGHT SENTENCES!!! Haha that is funny. Obviously you have never met anyone accused or caught in such acts. My mother (just yesterday) was released from prison for supposedly dealing pot. This is a woman who has only had one ticket in her whole life. They came in took her house, her cars, her belongings and threw her in jail. Then they gave her 40 years in prison. This all happened on the accusations of our neighbor who we have disputed with for years about property lines. This is the punishment for someone who is a model citizen and has never been in any trouble. Imagine if you have any criminal history. Now go on to tell me how invincible you are and how good of lawyer you have, cause guess what boys and girls, you don't have ******. The only reason she was released yesterday is she fought for 819 days straight to get an appeal and a new trial. She was "railroaded" by the prosecutor, judge, state. Everyone. Her first trial she was not even present for. Even though she was in there custody. She finally won her appeal to the supreme court. They made her case an example. She was released, but then the county where she lived claimed she had been on the run for over two years and failed to make a bogus court appearance. So, they had her re-arrested. Same charges brought against her. This time though we rallied the community and told her story. After i contacted all the witnesses i could muster, we were ready to go to trial. The prosecutor knew he did'nt have anything. He chickened out at the last minute and offered her a full differed sentence of six years and 3 on probation. Personally i told her not to take it. Although, i know how hard time can be. She took the differed sentence and is now living with her son, me. A grown ass woman living with her son because of greed. Some of you might be thinking "This couldn't happen where i live." and i will tell you that it does already. She lived in a small rural community in Montana. With a whopping population of 3000. This is a place where you know everything and everyone. If it can happen here and be this corrupt, then i'm willing to bet money that in the larger cities and towns things are alot worse. This country needs to pull it's head out of it's ass and wake up. It doesn't matter democrat or republican. Neither exist! This government is not right, this "United States" isn't right. People are far too lazy to try and fix it they leave it to there neighbor. Well after this story i hope you all realize where your neighbor could get you. This nation will fall soon, (without intervention). Everyone here seems ok with it too. They are like well what can we do? The people who wrote the Constitution wrote it to remind us everyday that we have the power not the government. We can tell the president what to do, we tell congress to stop spending so much on worthless crap. The people need to be united. By the way, the reason we are #1 in the world is jailing people is very profitable. The reason our law is the way it is today is because it is profitable. Admiralty law is what we are under today, not constitutional. Next time one of you is in a court room, look at the fringe around the American flag, notice how it is gold. It's not for looks and cause it's pretty. That is because you are under a different rule set. You can thank the loveable Abraham Lincoln for that. We are under-educated savages in a political palm greasing party. The funny thing is, unless you are a lawyer, you probably won't get to see any law books or info on this. Why?, because law is copyrighted now. So we are stuck being open mouth pot-bellied savages for the rest of our days, unless we take control of what is ours. This is my rant. I hope i have offended many and at least made some of you think "That is ****** up."

Mike

You mind stating that supreme court case. I assume you mom was prosecuted in Montana? wasn't too sure since its a big blob. Mother's last name would help too.

The case is known as Montana vs. Newman. Here is the official PDF1 PDF2. Her name is Sandra Newman. Yes she was prosecuted in Montana. There was a lawyer's convention here not too long ago, and guess who the topic of discussion was? This county, and many others i have heard of, are so corrupt that there is no hope for the "average Joe". I have the feeling this will go for our nation as a whole, once the rest of the counties and states see how easy it is to get the power and money they want.

Mike

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: boss6021

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Unless you want to release rapists/murders/crack dealers/drunk drivers/white collar criminals to cause more havoc etc... Legalizing pot is not going to do much except release pot dealers. Pot losers err users have very light sentences anyways.

-snip-

Paragraphs boy, paragraphs. Did you mom have any marijuana in her possession and if so how much? You left that relevant fact out of your story.

Move to Canada. Mom and Dad both smoke, Mom has Epilepsy and MS, dad has chronic arthritis in his ankle. Mom could probally get medical pot in certain states, though the old man would never be able too. He was going through 40-75 Tylenol 3's a week for his ankle , than me and my mom bought his some pot and he now does a joint a night, and takes no Tylenol 3's at all.

Wonder if any pharma money goes to lobbying to keep pot illegal in the states so painkiller manafactures can stay in business.

Most likely. Drug companies make big bucks on over the counter pain meds. They can't have an easily obtainable (growing) solution cutting into their profits. Bastards.