Explain to me rationally how say someone from the SWAT region in Pakistan who is unable to read/write and has a family of 4 to provide to does his "due diligence" in researching dubai. You have no idea how the real world works buddy.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Zebo
Victim of of her own PC MC thinking we are all alike and want peace.
Some basics are in order here:
Don't walk down Imperial between Normandy and Vermont in Compton if you want to live.
Don't venture into Waristan to cover a story or get terrorists side if you enjoy head attached to body.
Don't move to a Muslim country thinking you can live like a westerner, study the Qu'ran & hadiths which dictates all, thats how you will live.
Do you realize the bulk of the article has nothing to do with the dumb Canadian lady. The past 3 or so pages have been discussing what more or less amounts to the enslavement of the low-wage working class in Dubai and really the surrounding middle eastern countries.
I read whole article. Slavery is Allowed in Qu'ran, 'her' applies to all these fools taking the trip.
Oh yeah those crazy fools. Illiterate people looking to progress and make better lives for their family so they are willing to go to a foreign country to be seperated from their loved ones for years at a time. Unfortunately they are told lies which they can't very well investigate because they are not properly educated. Once they land in said country they can't do anything about changing their situation because they are indebt from the voyage and have their passports removed.
It's easy to be an arrogant jackass on the internet, but if you had to face these people in person you would sing a different tune.
Nah I'd tell them they are idiots in RL too for not doing due diligence.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Zebo
Victim of of her own PC MC thinking we are all alike and want peace.
Some basics are in order here:
Don't walk down Imperial between Normandy and Vermont in Compton if you want to live.
Don't venture into Waristan to cover a story or get terrorists side if you enjoy head attached to body.
Don't move to a Muslim country thinking you can live like a westerner, study the Qu'ran & hadiths which dictates all, thats how you will live.
Do you realize the bulk of the article has nothing to do with the dumb Canadian lady. The past 3 or so pages have been discussing what more or less amounts to the enslavement of the low-wage working class in Dubai and really the surrounding middle eastern countries.
I read whole article. Slavery is Allowed in Qu'ran, 'her' applies to all these fools taking the trip.
Oh yeah those crazy fools. Illiterate people looking to progress and make better lives for their family so they are willing to go to a foreign country to be seperated from their loved ones for years at a time. Unfortunately they are told lies which they can't very well investigate because they are not properly educated. Once they land in said country they can't do anything about changing their situation because they are indebt from the voyage and have their passports removed.
It's easy to be an arrogant jackass on the internet, but if you had to face these people in person you would sing a different tune.
Nah I'd tell them they are idiots in RL too for not doing due diligence.
Originally posted by: Aimster
Actually they might have bad lives in Dubai because $200 a month is crap. However if they send that money back home their families can be better but they will live like crap.
I want to know what happens to their $200 bucks a month.
I have to concur. Read the article.Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Aimster
Actually they might have bad lives in Dubai because $200 a month is crap. However if they send that money back home their families can be better but they will live like crap.
I want to know what happens to their $200 bucks a month.
READ THE ARTICLE
They don't get full pay, also they are forced to pay rent even when not receives the wages. Therefore they have no money to send back and they aren't allowed to communicate back to their home countries even if they had the money. Every single one of your posts here has shown that you have not read the article. SO READ IT.
READ THE ARTICLE
Originally posted by: Aimster
They can go home.
Worker advocacy groups, including the U.N.?s International Labor Organization, have stepped up pressure for wider protections covering the hundreds of thousands of unskilled construction workers
, mostly from South Asia, who flooded Dubai and other Gulf boomtowns and now face the fallout from leaner times.
The demands include ending the illegal but common practice of companies holding workers? passports and effectively blocking their chances of looking for other jobs under a rigid sponsorship system.
Sole breadwinner
Business may be booming for Dubai, but Avdesh tells me he has not been paid since August and that many of his colleagues are working without proper papers.
Dubai construction workers
The migrant workers live in company-run labour camps
"This gentleman over here," he says, "hasn't had his visa renewed and he's now working illegally."
It is alleged that some companies take passports and "lose" them so workers cannot return home.
Venkatesan took out a high-interest loan to pay the fee asked by the company for bringing him to Dubai.
He was the sole breadwinner in a family of six.
His workmates showed me a photocopy of what they said was Venkatesan's suicide note.
It explained, they said, that he had taken his own life because he had been unable to pay back his loans.
Regis Johns is the manager of the company that brought Venkatesan and his colleagues from India. I asked him why the salaries had not been paid.
"Our company has gone through certain financial crises for the past one and a half years," he says.
Room in labour camp
Bedrooms sometimes sleep 12, bathrooms are shared by 25
"We said we'd definitely pay them. In fact, we offered them two months' salary the day before yesterday."
Mr Johns admits the company holds all its employees' passports - a common practice in the UAE even though it is illegal.
It is also illegal for workers to strike, which means the employees of Mr Johns' company are being asked to work without pay and without the documents to return home.
But Mr Johns rejects any notion that this amounts to slave labour.
"We're against any kind of slavery system here," he says.
"I can show you the document they signed before coming here, which states the hourly rate, the terms and conditions of the systems out here. They willingly sign this - and only then do we process their visas to come."
Mr Johns denied the company kept employees in the country against their will and said it was working hard to find the money for the missing salaries.
He also pointed out that salaries are paid two months in arrears, so the workers have only relatively recently been made aware of the company's financial crisis.
But since Venkatesan's death, Avdesh says many of the workers now want to cancel their contracts and return home.
"I heard a lot of things about Dubai," he says, "about how great it was. But when I came here, I hated it.
"I don't ever want to come back here. My family is pleading with me to come home: 'whatever condition you're in, they tell me, just come back'."
Originally posted by: Aimster
They get paid their full wages. If they didn't the 14 million immigrants in Dubai who are these so called "slave workers" would start trouble. They would overrun the Arabs and destroy UAE. There are no armed guards following them. There are no gated communities where they are trapped.
You all think every article out there is accurate. Just because someone writes "In Dubai" It doesn't make it true. There is ALWAYS two sides to a story.
You all are not even getting one side. You are simply getting a sentence that tells you what goes on in Dubai from a source outside of Dubai.
What is happening in Dubai..
The workers in Dubai get their full wages. Their full wages are $150-400 a month. Even $200 a month is 2x more money than they would be making a month in a country like Pakistan.
It is their fault they didn't research their cost of living in Dubai.
If their company is providing them housing well then..... Even a run down motel in the U.S will cost you $10/day with roaches all over the place.
This is not "slavery". This is the UAE system taking complete advantage of the poor/uneducated people of the third world.
Slavery is when one is forced to work. When one has no other choice.
These people don't have a gun to their head. They can go home. They just have no money so they work to live in their shack. That's not slavery. They are just poor. They can live on the streets and be free if they wanted tomorrow. UAE would kick their asses out if they did that, free ride home.
Yes the situation is F'd up. Using the word Slavery doesn't fit.
Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Aimster
They get paid their full wages. If they didn't the 14 million immigrants in Dubai who are these so called "slave workers" would start trouble. They would overrun the Arabs and destroy UAE. There are no armed guards following them. There are no gated communities where they are trapped.
You all think every article out there is accurate. Just because someone writes "In Dubai" It doesn't make it true. There is ALWAYS two sides to a story.
You all are not even getting one side. You are simply getting a sentence that tells you what goes on in Dubai from a source outside of Dubai.
What is happening in Dubai..
The workers in Dubai get their full wages. Their full wages are $150-400 a month. Even $200 a month is 2x more money than they would be making a month in a country like Pakistan.
It is their fault they didn't research their cost of living in Dubai.
If their company is providing them housing well then..... Even a run down motel in the U.S will cost you $10/day with roaches all over the place.
This is not "slavery". This is the UAE system taking complete advantage of the poor/uneducated people of the third world.
Slavery is when one is forced to work. When one has no other choice.
These people don't have a gun to their head. They can go home. They just have no money so they work to live in their shack. That's not slavery. They are just poor. They can live on the streets and be free if they wanted tomorrow. UAE would kick their asses out if they did that, free ride home.
Yes the situation is F'd up. Using the word Slavery doesn't fit.
READ THE ARTICLE
READ THE ARTICLE
They did try to rebel. They have the compounds surrounded by barbed wire fence, and they just hosed them down while they were trapped like pigs. STOP POSTING UNTIL YOU READ IT.
READ THE ARTICLE
READ THE ARTICLE
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Aimster
They get paid their full wages. If they didn't the 14 million immigrants in Dubai who are these so called "slave workers" would start trouble. They would overrun the Arabs and destroy UAE. There are no armed guards following them. There are no gated communities where they are trapped.
You all think every article out there is accurate. Just because someone writes "In Dubai" It doesn't make it true. There is ALWAYS two sides to a story.
You all are not even getting one side. You are simply getting a sentence that tells you what goes on in Dubai from a source outside of Dubai.
What is happening in Dubai..
The workers in Dubai get their full wages. Their full wages are $150-400 a month. Even $200 a month is 2x more money than they would be making a month in a country like Pakistan.
It is their fault they didn't research their cost of living in Dubai.
If their company is providing them housing well then..... Even a run down motel in the U.S will cost you $10/day with roaches all over the place.
This is not "slavery". This is the UAE system taking complete advantage of the poor/uneducated people of the third world.
Slavery is when one is forced to work. When one has no other choice.
These people don't have a gun to their head. They can go home. They just have no money so they work to live in their shack. That's not slavery. They are just poor. They can live on the streets and be free if they wanted tomorrow. UAE would kick their asses out if they did that, free ride home.
Yes the situation is F'd up. Using the word Slavery doesn't fit.
READ THE ARTICLE
READ THE ARTICLE
They did try to rebel. They have the compounds surrounded by barbed wire fence, and they just hosed them down while they were trapped like pigs. STOP POSTING UNTIL YOU READ IT.
READ THE ARTICLE
READ THE ARTICLE
The guy just said the entire population of immigrant workers is 14 million.... which is more than twice the entire population of the UAE... LOL.
I don't think he'll read the article.... hes here just to spout nonsense.
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Aimster
They get paid their full wages. If they didn't the 14 million immigrants in Dubai who are these so called "slave workers" would start trouble. They would overrun the Arabs and destroy UAE. There are no armed guards following them. There are no gated communities where they are trapped.
You all think every article out there is accurate. Just because someone writes "In Dubai" It doesn't make it true. There is ALWAYS two sides to a story.
You all are not even getting one side. You are simply getting a sentence that tells you what goes on in Dubai from a source outside of Dubai.
What is happening in Dubai..
The workers in Dubai get their full wages. Their full wages are $150-400 a month. Even $200 a month is 2x more money than they would be making a month in a country like Pakistan.
It is their fault they didn't research their cost of living in Dubai.
If their company is providing them housing well then..... Even a run down motel in the U.S will cost you $10/day with roaches all over the place.
This is not "slavery". This is the UAE system taking complete advantage of the poor/uneducated people of the third world.
Slavery is when one is forced to work. When one has no other choice.
These people don't have a gun to their head. They can go home. They just have no money so they work to live in their shack. That's not slavery. They are just poor. They can live on the streets and be free if they wanted tomorrow. UAE would kick their asses out if they did that, free ride home.
Yes the situation is F'd up. Using the word Slavery doesn't fit.
READ THE ARTICLE
READ THE ARTICLE
They did try to rebel. They have the compounds surrounded by barbed wire fence, and they just hosed them down while they were trapped like pigs. STOP POSTING UNTIL YOU READ IT.
READ THE ARTICLE
READ THE ARTICLE
The guy just said the entire population of immigrant workers is 14 million.... which is more than twice the entire population of the UAE... LOL.
I don't think he'll read the article.... hes here just to spout nonsense.
UAE is dominated by foreigners not nationals
Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.
Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Aimster
They get paid their full wages. If they didn't the 14 million immigrants in Dubai who are these so called "slave workers" would start trouble. They would overrun the Arabs and destroy UAE. There are no armed guards following them. There are no gated communities where they are trapped.
You all think every article out there is accurate. Just because someone writes "In Dubai" It doesn't make it true. There is ALWAYS two sides to a story.
You all are not even getting one side. You are simply getting a sentence that tells you what goes on in Dubai from a source outside of Dubai.
What is happening in Dubai..
The workers in Dubai get their full wages. Their full wages are $150-400 a month. Even $200 a month is 2x more money than they would be making a month in a country like Pakistan.
It is their fault they didn't research their cost of living in Dubai.
If their company is providing them housing well then..... Even a run down motel in the U.S will cost you $10/day with roaches all over the place.
This is not "slavery". This is the UAE system taking complete advantage of the poor/uneducated people of the third world.
Slavery is when one is forced to work. When one has no other choice.
These people don't have a gun to their head. They can go home. They just have no money so they work to live in their shack. That's not slavery. They are just poor. They can live on the streets and be free if they wanted tomorrow. UAE would kick their asses out if they did that, free ride home.
Yes the situation is F'd up. Using the word Slavery doesn't fit.
READ THE ARTICLE
READ THE ARTICLE
They did try to rebel. They have the compounds surrounded by barbed wire fence, and they just hosed them down while they were trapped like pigs. STOP POSTING UNTIL YOU READ IT.
READ THE ARTICLE
READ THE ARTICLE
The guy just said the entire population of immigrant workers is 14 million.... which is more than twice the entire population of the UAE... LOL.
I don't think he'll read the article.... hes here just to spout nonsense.
UAE is dominated by foreigners not nationals
Straight from the CIA website:
People United Arab Emirates Top of Page
Population:
Definition Field Listing Rank Order
4,798,491
note: estimate is based on the results of the 2005 census that included a significantly higher estimate of net inmigration of non-citizens than previous estimates (July 2009 est.)
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.cia.gov/library/pu...-factbook/geos/ae.html"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ae.html">https://www.cia.gov/libr.........k/geos/ae.html</a></a>
Unless your dumb enough to think 8 million people immigrated from other countries to Dubai in the span of a few years, this is pretty close to the correct number.
Stop talkin out of your ass plz.
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.
Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.
So if I post any article on the net that says "Ns1 is a fat lesbian overlord" will that mean you are one?
Seriously I feel like you people are so gullible. If I say the moon is on fire you'll look up and check to see if it is on fire.
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.
Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.
So if I post any article on the net that says "Ns1 is a fat lesbian overlord" will that mean you are one?
Seriously I feel like you people are so gullible. If I say the moon is on fire you'll look up and check to see if it is on fire.
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.
Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.
So if I post any article on the net that says "Ns1 is a fat lesbian overlord" will that mean you are one?
Seriously I feel like you people are so gullible. If I say the moon is on fire you'll look up and check to see if it is on fire.
There's a difference between you (someone with zero credibility) posting an article and an actual journalist (who is actually in Dubai talking to people and doing research) posting an article. The difference here is that your article would be ignored and considered a waste of time, while the journalist's article would be read by people.
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.
Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.
So if I post any article on the net that says "Ns1 is a fat lesbian overlord" will that mean you are one?
Seriously I feel like you people are so gullible. If I say the moon is on fire you'll look up and check to see if it is on fire.
You haven't refuted the article with ANY facts whatsoever, just nonsensical BULLSHIT that you pulled out of your ass.
I'm surprised you don't have a zeitgeist link in your sig.
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.
Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.
So if I post any article on the net that says "Ns1 is a fat lesbian overlord" will that mean you are one?
Seriously I feel like you people are so gullible. If I say the moon is on fire you'll look up and check to see if it is on fire.
There's a difference between you (someone with zero credibility) posting an article and an actual journalist (who is actually in Dubai talking to people and doing research) posting an article. The difference here is that your article would be ignored and considered a waste of time, while the journalist's article would be read by people.
He talked to people in Dubai? You know this because he wrote about it?
A journalist? Please anyone can be a journalist. Being a journalist is not hard. Being a respectable journalist is HARD.
A year ago or so, there was a strike in the UAE by about 30,000 workers. They wanted more money. They were not fighting for pay but for MORE pay / There are hundreds of articles regarding this. How do I know? Because I was monitoring the construction of the world's tallest building.
You should try looking at pictures of construction sites. There are no armed police. No guards. No barbed wires. Just men working and they all seem to be working hard. Why the hell would they do that if they got no money?
They get money. It's not enough. They didn't do their research so we call it slavery? It's just like a man living in NYC working at McDonalds. He works hard but at the end of the day he worked all that time just to survive.
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Yes being a respected journalist is hard. All the more reason I trust Johann Hari, the man who wrote the OP article, instead of a nutcase like you.
Johann Hari is a columnist for the London Independent. He has reported from Iraq, Israel/Palestine, the Congo, the Central African Republic, Venezuela, Peru and the US, and his journalism has appeared in publications all over the world. In 2007 Amnesty International named him Newspaper Journalist of the Year. In 2008 he became the youngest person ever to win Britain's leading award for political writing, the Orwell Prize. He is a contributing editor of Attitude magazine and published his first book, God Save the Queen?, in 2003.
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ns1
Goddamnit this is more frustrating than talking to a conspiracy theorist.
Seriously, why bother? Every single one of Aimster's posts has already been refuted by the article, in which he refuses to read.
So if I post any article on the net that says "Ns1 is a fat lesbian overlord" will that mean you are one?
Seriously I feel like you people are so gullible. If I say the moon is on fire you'll look up and check to see if it is on fire.
There's a difference between you (someone with zero credibility) posting an article and an actual journalist (who is actually in Dubai talking to people and doing research) posting an article. The difference here is that your article would be ignored and considered a waste of time, while the journalist's article would be read by people.
He talked to people in Dubai? You know this because he wrote about it?
A journalist? Please anyone can be a journalist. Being a journalist is not hard. Being a respectable journalist is HARD.
A year ago or so, there was a strike in the UAE by about 30,000 workers. They wanted more money. They were not fighting for pay but for MORE pay / There are hundreds of articles regarding this. How do I know? Because I was monitoring the construction of the world's tallest building.
You should try looking at pictures of construction sites. There are no armed police. No guards. No barbed wires. Just men working and they all seem to be working hard. Why the hell would they do that if they got no money?
They get money. It's not enough. They didn't do their research so we call it slavery? It's just like a man living in NYC working at McDonalds. He works hard but at the end of the day he worked all that time just to survive.
Yes being a respected journalist is hard. All the more reason I trust Johann Hari, the man who wrote the OP article, instead of a nutcase like you.
Johann Hari is a columnist for the London Independent. He has reported from Iraq, Israel/Palestine, the Congo, the Central African Republic, Venezuela, Peru and the US, and his journalism has appeared in publications all over the world. In 2007 Amnesty International named him Newspaper Journalist of the Year. In 2008 he became the youngest person ever to win Britain's leading award for political writing, the Orwell Prize. He is a contributing editor of Attitude magazine and published his first book, God Save the Queen?, in 2003.
Originally posted by: Aimster
Amnesty International has said some 'harsh' things about the U.S. So if they are praising this journalist and since you had to highlight that part I guess you agree with what they had to say about the U.S.
They were not fighting for pay but for MORE pay / There are hundreds of articles regarding this. How do I know? Because I was monitoring the construction of the world's tallest building.
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
snip
Group buy on sarcasm meters, anyone?
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Aimster
Amnesty International has said some 'harsh' things about the U.S. So if they are praising this journalist and since you had to highlight that part I guess you agree with what they had to say about the U.S.
More bullshit attempting to discredit the article and the journalist without 1 hint of actual evidence to discredit either.