Vance: We are now a DICTATORSHIP!

hardhat

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You are delusional if you think that his message is going to do anything but garner support for Trump's policies. The American people voted knowing full well that Trump separated families, put kids in cages, and did tons of other heinous despicable things. Vance is right. Trump was elected to get rid of illegal immigrants. Democrats acting like that isn't the will of the American people is delusion. You can hate the policy as much as you want. But don't pretend that this isn't exactly what Trump said he was going to do and exactly what the people voted for.

If you think he is wrong, if you think he is despicable, if you think we are giving up our soul and conscience for a lie go out and convince your neighbors, family, and coworkers, because they are who voted for Trump.
 

nickqt

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Vance says that a US citizen requires "more legal process" to have the death penalty imposed on them than an immigrant being deported.

The US Constitution requires DUE PROCESS. The term isn't vague, it's the actual language of the Constitution. And this wasn't a slip, because Vance literally uses the correct phrase later when he says that Constitution-supporting US Citizens are "weeping over the lack of due process".

By not providing DUE PROCESS, the Trump Administration is acting ILLEGALLY.

Any legitimate member of the Article I and Article III branches of government should be acting now to restrain the Trump administration from continuing to violate the US Constitution.
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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You are delusional if you think that his message is going to do anything but garner support for Trump's policies. The American people voted knowing full well that Trump separated families, put kids in cages, and did tons of other heinous despicable things. Vance is right. Trump was elected to get rid of illegal immigrants. Democrats acting like that isn't the will of the American people is delusion. You can hate the policy as much as you want. But don't pretend that this isn't exactly what Trump said he was going to do and exactly what the people voted for.

If you think he is wrong, if you think he is despicable, if you think we are giving up our soul and conscience for a lie go out and convince your neighbors, family, and coworkers, because they are who voted for Trump.
The Supreme Court disagrees. The Constitution disagrees.
 
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fskimospy

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You are delusional if you think that his message is going to do anything but garner support for Trump's policies. The American people voted knowing full well that Trump separated families, put kids in cages, and did tons of other heinous despicable things. Vance is right. Trump was elected to get rid of illegal immigrants. Democrats acting like that isn't the will of the American people is delusion. You can hate the policy as much as you want. But don't pretend that this isn't exactly what Trump said he was going to do and exactly what the people voted for.

If you think he is wrong, if you think he is despicable, if you think we are giving up our soul and conscience for a lie go out and convince your neighbors, family, and coworkers, because they are who voted for Trump.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's just one poll but there's been a clear shift.

 

fskimospy

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Vance says that a US citizen requires "more legal process" to have the death penalty imposed on them than an immigrant being deported.

The US Constitution requires DUE PROCESS. The term isn't vague, it's the actual language of the Constitution. And this wasn't a slip, because Vance literally uses the correct phrase later when he says that Constitution-supporting US Citizens are "weeping over the lack of due process".

By not providing DUE PROCESS, the Trump Administration is acting ILLEGALLY.

Any legitimate member of the Article I and Article III branches of government should be acting now to restrain the Trump administration from continuing to violate the US Constitution.
If there's no due process then there's nothing preventing any one of us, Vance included, from being sent to a gulag without trial.
 

HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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You are delusional if you think that his message is going to do anything but garner support for Trump's policies. The American people voted knowing full well that Trump separated families, put kids in cages, and did tons of other heinous despicable things. Vance is right. Trump was elected to get rid of illegal immigrants. Democrats acting like that isn't the will of the American people is delusion. You can hate the policy as much as you want. But don't pretend that this isn't exactly what Trump said he was going to do and exactly what the people voted for.

If you think he is wrong, if you think he is despicable, if you think we are giving up our soul and conscience for a lie go out and convince your neighbors, family, and coworkers, because they are who voted for Trump.
You're saying he is doing it because the people want it? 86% of people want universal background checks for all gun sales and transfers. That included 80% of Republicans but nothing happens.
 

mikeymikec

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The purpose of Vance's post is to continue grooming their fanatics to accept the notion that it's perfectly fine not to follow the law.

Obligatory Sin City quote:
 
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Indus

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May 11, 2002
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The purpose of Vance's post is to continue grooming their fanatics to accept the notion that it's perfectly fine not to follow the law.

Obligatory Sin City quote:

And looking for re-affirmation.

FAKE LEGAL PROCESS is what stood out to me!
 
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Moonbeam

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Conservatives figured out that if you ruined every liberal effort to keep conservative fear from destroying society by regulations designed to restrain fear driven ego ambition, you could destroy the system and divvy up the spoils. All that would be required is years and years of blocking any government competency to do it's job and then say government is the cause of your misery.
 

gothuevos

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This was called a year ago when it was pointed out that we simply don't have enough immigration courts/lawyers/judges to process a mass deportation campaign.

This is one way to get around that.

Another, which will happen next, will probably be using the military and/or private contractors to carry out the deportations.
 

HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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This was called a year ago when it was pointed out that we simply don't have enough immigration courts/lawyers/judges to process a mass deportation campaign.

This is one way to get around that.

Another, which will happen next, will probably be using the military and/or private contractors to carry out the deportations.
April 20th
 

UNCjigga

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Dec 12, 2000
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Consider that Joe Biden allowed approximately 20 million illegal aliens into our country.
At this point…just please, stop reading. Look it up. If what Vance claims is a lie (and it is) then why should we entertain his argument any further?

Fact: US CBP registered 10 million “encounters” during the Biden presidency. 8 million of those were along the Southern border. Compare that with less than 3 million during Trump’s presidency—sure things look worse.

But encounters dropped significantly during the pandemic, which is why Trump’s numbers look so good vs. Biden’s. Also add to that the fact that Biden wasn’t detaining migrants, so you have a lot more repeat encounters. These aren’t people sneaking across the river either—these are people presenting themselves at the border to register an asylum claim, because they aren’t expecting detention. During Trump, it’s quite possible that people presenting at the border decreased, while people cutting across the desert or the river at night increased.

Now I don’t know what math they’re using to take 10 million encounters—many of them repeats, many of them people who didn’t actually stay—and turn that into 20 million or 21 million.

The US Department of Homeland Security estimated there were 11 million illegal migrants living in the US as of January 2022. It said only about a fifth of them arrived in 2010 or later (Obama/Biden) but the majority arrived before this time, mostly during the 1980s when we had amnesty and the boat lift etc. There is no math to support 10 million new illegals entered the country and stayed between January 2022 and January 2025.
 

Pens1566

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At this point…just please, stop reading. Look it up. If what Vance claims is a lie (and it is) then why should we entertain his argument any further?

Fact: US CBP registered 10 million “encounters” during the Biden presidency. 8 million of those were along the Southern border. Compare that with less than 3 million during Trump’s presidency—sure things look worse.

But encounters dropped significantly during the pandemic, which is why Trump’s numbers look so good vs. Biden’s. Also add to that the fact that Biden wasn’t detaining migrants, so you have a lot more repeat encounters. These aren’t people sneaking across the river either—these are people presenting themselves at the border to register an asylum claim, because they aren’t expecting detention. During Trump, it’s quite possible that people presenting at the border decreased, while people cutting across the desert or the river at night increased.

Now I don’t know what math they’re using to take 10 million encounters—many of them repeats, many of them people who didn’t actually stay—and turn that into 20 million or 21 million.

The US Department of Homeland Security estimated there were 11 million illegal migrants living in the US as of January 2022. It said only about a fifth of them arrived in 2010 or later (Obama/Biden) but the majority arrived before this time, mostly during the 1980s when we had amnesty and the boat lift etc. There is no math to support 10 million new illegals entered the country and stayed between January 2022 and January 2025.

That's just for border checkpoints. When you open it up to all methods of ingress/egress (ports/airports), it's around 2 million A DAY.

There is no such thing as an "open border".
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Vance knows the Empire that he is determined to inherent.
He wants you to know that he knows. MAGA will outlive Trump. As the Roman Empire outlived Julius Caesar, and was only really born by his successor after his death. History echos in eternity.
 
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