Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

[amenx]

That's not the way product launches work for any company.

I'm not speaking about 'any company'. I'm referring to AMDs unique situation where there is already some doubt about how vega may turn out. There are some recent leaks that look bad, whether true or not, it creates doubt, which in turn can push buyers to the other side. AMD has already begun to lose some of its traditional customer base over last several months.

P.S. and another thing re "That's not the way product launches work for any company" . Intel re Conroe back in Spring 2006: They had such a kick ass product they couldnt hold back and released benchmarks a few months prior to product availability.

 

[crisium]

Nothing leaked or demonstrated has shown 1080 Ti competitor so far. =\

I don't know what to expect, but if the rumours that HBM2 is unable to get up to 1GHz at this time and that this card actually has less bandwidth than a Fury because AMD got locked into 2048-bit long ago when they designed it... oh man.

I want to believe.

 

[IEC]

Why do people say this has been delayed? If it's following the Polaris launch pattern then *late* June availability is to be expected. People on reddit are grasping at straws thinking there will be some kind of reveal on May 16th, which is AMD's Analyst Day. Those people are going to be disappointed, because that's not a venue where a graphics card launches.

The absolute *earliest* I would expect Vega would be at Computex at the end of May/early June. Even then, not holding my breath.

 

[Glo.]

I would like to point out that TweakTown rumor that there will be only 16 thousand GPUs is referring to LIMITED Edition of RX Vega GPU.

 

[crisium]

I think it's clear they have been targeting June for many months now.

But I think they once had optimism, if not expectations, that Q1 was possible. Remember they went with "H1 2017" rather than "Q2 2017" late last year. And Vega is clearly oriented earlier in 2017 than Polaris in 2016 on this year old roadmap: http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...n-Vega-GPU-and-Navi-GPU-2017-2018-768x432.jpg

 

[amenx]

Why do people say this has been delayed? If it's following the Polaris launch pattern then *late* June availability is to be expected. People on reddit are grasping at straws thinking there will be some kind of reveal on May 16th, which is AMD's Analyst Day. Those people are going to be disappointed, because that's not a venue where a graphics card launches.

The absolute *earliest* I would expect Vega would be at Computex at the end of May/early June. Even then, not holding my breath.

It may not be delayed according to AMDs roadmap, but it is delayed in competitive terms. Missing the upper end of your product line vs the competition for a year or so... well lets not use the term delayed but 'behind' is more like it.

 

[IEC]

"Projected roadmap, subject to change". Strike one.
There are no demarcations on the X-axis to allow determination of when in a given year a product will launch. Strike two.
People assuming information that is not on the axis and not mentioned by AMD by assuming Q1 2017. Strike three.

The only reasonably safe assumption from the start was "some time in 2017". But again, that was and is subject to change.

 

[crisium]

Hmm, things are starting to get aggressive again in this thread. I'm going to take a voluntary time off from this one. I'm not interested in the spin zone.

 

[96Firebird]

I remember when people saw that roadmap and thought there was a chance Vega was in 2016...

 

[IEC]

It may not be delayed according to AMDs roadmap, but it is delayed in competitive terms. Missing the upper end of your product line vs the competition for a year or so... well lets not use the term delayed but 'behind' is more like it.

I'm not sure what you're arguing for, here. If anyone disagrees with you they are silly, because it is simple fact that AMD has had zero high-end cards since Fury/X. But it has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

I would like to point out that TweakTown rumor that there will be only 16 thousand GPUs is referring to LIMITED Edition of RX Vega GPU.

Even if it's a blower I'm stupidly attracted to the card design hinted at so far....

EDIT: Looking at the length and the style, it looks way too much like a re-finished Fury-X liquid cooled card to not be liquid cooled again... which I would buy in a heartbeat I think after all this waiting.

 

[swilli89]

Why do people say this has been delayed? If it's following the Polaris launch pattern then *late* June availability is to be expected. People on reddit are grasping at straws thinking there will be some kind of reveal on May 16th, which is AMD's Analyst Day. Those people are going to be disappointed, because that's not a venue where a graphics card launches.

The absolute *earliest* I would expect Vega would be at Computex at the end of May/early June. Even then, not holding my breath.

Exactly. AMD has been saying 1H for like a year now and for a while now whenever AMD gives you a time interval we just assume its the very end of that. 1H has always meant June.

 

[Despoiler]

I'm not speaking about 'any company'. I'm referring to AMDs unique situation where there is already some doubt about how vega may turn out. There are some recent leaks that look bad, whether true or not, it creates doubt, which in turn can push buyers to the other side. AMD has already begun to lose some of its traditional customer base over last several months.

P.S. and another thing re "That's not the way product launches work for any company" . Intel re Conroe back in Spring 2006: They had such a kick ass product they couldnt hold back and released benchmarks a few months prior to product availability.

You got those blinders on pretty tight to take rumors over actual knowns. AMD doesn't have a unique situation. They've launched their last two video card generations @ E3, which is in June. AMD does release their own marketing benchmarks prior to launch. They've done that for at least the last two generations. They come fairly close to the actual launch though. In the case of the Fury X it was right before the review embargo dropped.

As for doubt that depends on if you are susceptible to FUD or are just generally ignorant of hardware development. The C1 leak is a 1200/700 part that is on par with the Fury X. Do you know if the clocks are final? Do you know where that part sits in the product stack or its price? Nope. Without that information you can't make any assessment.

"AMD has already begun to lose some of its traditional customer base over last several months."

Source?

 

[IllogicalGlory]

"Projected roadmap, subject to change". Strike one.
There are no demarcations on the X-axis to allow determination of when in a given year a product will launch. Strike two.
People assuming information that is not on the axis and not mentioned by AMD by assuming Q1 2017. Strike three.

The only reasonably safe assumption from the start was "some time in 2017". But again, that was and is subject to change.

All you mentioned is wiggle room in case they can't deliver, but they're definitely suggesting something with that road map. Vega appears directly over 2017. It was placed there intentionally just as Polaris was intentionally placed in the middle of the 2016-2017 gap. It looks like Vega is going to land in the middle of 2017-2018 gap on the time axis (which is what it is, glossy marketing graphic or not).

 

[Arachnotronic]

Exactly. AMD has been saying 1H for like a year now and for a while now whenever AMD gives you a time interval we just assume its the very end of that. 1H has always meant June.

It's not just AMD that is "guilty" of this practice, this is standard in the industry.

If somebody says "1Q" expect March, if somebody says "1H" expect June, and if somebody says "holday" expect December.

 

[Crumpet]

"But Vega was on the road map for 2016"

*cough*

 

[Arachnotronic]

"But Vega was on the road map for 2016"

*cough*

I don't see 2016 on this road map.

 

[lobz]

I don't see 2016 on this road map.

...

 

[Crumpet]

I don't see 2016 on this road map.

Irrelevant.

It soon became this and Volta disappeared.

But hey, let's just pick on AMD.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Irrelevant.

It soon became this and Volta disappeared.

But hey, let's just pick on AMD.

What relevance does NV's roadmaps have to the discussion? All it means is that they had to push back their releases too, doesn't mean Vega wasn't delayed. It's the old two wrongs make a right argument. It doesn't work when either side uses it. This thread is about Vega and you're asking why we're not roasting NV for pushing Volta back. I don't see why we would be discussing that here.

And well, frankly, NV is still on top of the GPU game, while AMD really could have used Vega when their roadmap suggested it would be out.

 

[Bacon1]

It soon became this and Volta disappeared.

Funny, the unified memory also moved from Maxwell to Pascal and Maxwell became "DX12" which is funny in its own right.

 

[IEC]

This thread needs less JHH, and more VEGA.

Thanks.

 

[Crumpet]

What relevance does NV's roadmaps have to the discussion? All it means is that they had to push back their releases too, doesn't mean Vega wasn't delayed. It's the old two wrongs make a right argument. It doesn't work when either side uses it. This thread is about Vega and you're asking why we're not roasting NV for pushing Volta back. I don't see why we would be discussing that here.

And well, frankly, NV is still on top of the GPU game, while AMD really could have used Vega when their roadmap suggested it would be out.

Anyone got a link to this 2016 Vega roadmap?

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Anyone got a link to this 2016
Vega roadmap?

Not 2016, but early 2017/late 2016. I'm sure you've seen it, from the first Capsaicin event. To be fair to AMD, they've never outright said Q1 2017 or Q4 2016 (it's always been H1 2017), and it is a fairly small quibble, but I think it's enough to indicate that AMD was targeting Q1 2017 for Vega.

I've decided to improve their roadmap a bit to reflect reality.

(everything besides the Vega change is "humor")

 

[raghu78]

Anyone got a link to this 2016 Vega roadmap?

some people interpreted the amd roadmap slide revealed at GDC 2016 as Vega launching by late 2016 or early 2017 when in reality its launching in mid-2017.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10145/amd-unveils-gpu-architecture-roadmap-after-polaris-comes-vega

Anyway we will have Vega here by end of June, worst case. The only question is product performance, pricing and availability.