Venice OCing thread!

[Painman]

Originally posted by: Zebo
pain-
Absolutly I agree. But even posting at those speeds w/ default core in a decent acomplishment would'nt you say? Now this does'nt mean it's average... does'nt mean the "lucky chip lotto" losers are posting. I just put it up for y'all to see what others are up to. take it for what it's worth (you did).. It's way too few sampling to say either way right now ti judge if Venice is hype. Only 2/3 in this thread got underachivers.

Welp, we kind of have a pattern established so far - 0512DPAW is suck 0515FPAW seems a little better.

My chip will POST at 2750 on default core, but that's all Blank screen and good 'ol DFI auto-reset after that. But, through all my testing so far the CPU has never failed to POST... Granted 2750 is as high as I've attempted, period.

 

[Koyanisquatsi]

I'm still hoping a bios update will help me a little. Abit hasn't made a new bios for my board since January.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: Koyanisquatsi
I'm still hoping a bios update will help me a little. Abit hasn't made a new bios for my board since January.

There's been a boatload of DFI betas since 310 but mostly to accommodate RAM issues as near as I can tell... I might try some out later.

That reminds me, I'll add a field to the template for BIOS revison like malcontent suggested, a good thing to know.

I'm off to hit the sack... catch y'all tomorrow

 

[user1234]

Originally posted by: Zebo
arrrr

-xbit got 2.88
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-venice_12.html

-PC Perspective got 2.8 on default core
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=127

-Legit reviews got 2.8 on default core
http://forums.legitreviews.com/viewtopic.php?t=1694


That's 3/3!!!!

These MF's should be hitting 3Ghz with some cooling and voltz:|

don't forget that when winchester came out anandtech had an article reviewing both a 3000+ and a 3500+ and when they tried to overclock them they both hit the same max of 2610 mhz. Surprise surprise. The reviewer concluded that most winchesters should be able to achieve 2.6 without problem, not even mentioning the more likely option that he got hand picked chips. Now tell me how many winchesters could really reach 2.6 ? (me thinks it's a small percentage, definitely not the majority of them).

 

[PetNorth]

Painman and Jeff: I suppose you've tried x4 or x3 HTT multiplier, have you?

 

[thanatos355]

Originally posted by: QSnexus
Hehe don't get me wrong I'm not coming from a Tbird @ 1.4. I was just relating what my last AMD based system was. What I'm actually upgrading from now is a P4 2.6C HT @ 3.25ghz with i875 chipset. The only reason for the move is for the pure gaming speed that the AMD64 seems to excell at. Talk of the enhancements in the new Venice core made me cave to the pressure. Fortron Blue Storm 500 24-pin and MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum are ready and waiting for this Venice CPU to arrive.

yeah, i understood that. i DID just come from a 1.4 t-bird though!

Originally posted by: user1234
don't forget that when winchester came out anandtech had an article reviewing both a 3000+ and a 3500+ and when they tried to overclock them they both hit the same max of 2610 mhz. Surprise surprise. The reviewer concluded that most winchesters should be able to achieve 2.6 without problem, not even mentioning the more likely option that he got hand picked chips. Now tell me how many winchesters could really reach 2.6 ? (me thinks it's a small percentage, definitely not the majority of them).

i didnt forget it when i went to order my winnie. i was HOPING for 2.6+, but was expecting what i got, 2.4. still not bad, just not as amazing as all those reviewers got. i can live with that though. you have to expect them to be sent the best of everything they review.

 

[KDKPSJ]

Guys, (those who have terrible Venice) try 2T instead of 1T. There are many claims saying 1T -> 2T make A LOT OF DIFFERENCE, according to users from the foreign web site I go. One of them only could archieve 2.3G with 1T, but when he changed to 2T, he easily jumped to 2.7G! They say the problem might be the BIOS.

Anyway, guys, please try 2T and let us know the result (Worth to try, isn't it?)

P.S: Also, Lanparty users, please try 4/14 Beta BIOS. That is known to be make another big difference from 3/10 official bios.

 

[Duvie]

Tried that new bios yet Jeff??

 

[NINaudio]

Anybody have a link to where I can get the latest verison of Super PI? Got it

Also, why do you test stability with small and large fft's and not do the blend test, because you're trying to isolate the cpu? Answered

Just a quick update before I post in the format, which I will do after complete testing.

The list below is my original try. I will post updates below that.

Here is what I'm currently testing. Ignore cpu temp, for some reason with this bios whenever I start to oc, it reads the temps way too low, I'd say by at least 20°. Ram is running 1:1 right now.

Memtest passed at DDR550 2.5-3-3-10 @ 2.65v

-=General Info=-
CPU Model Number: ADA3500DAA4BP
CPU Code: LBBLE 0513FPAW

-=System Info=-
Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
BIOS Revision: 1.62 beta
Memory: corsair pc4400c25 (2x512) @ 255 2.5-3-3-10
PSU: Ultra 500w X-connect
Cooling Type, Brand, Model: Danger Den water cooling, TDX

-=Results so far=-
Max OC w/ 1M Super PI results: 2805mhz - 31 Seconds
HTT and Multiplier Used: 255 x 11

-=Stable OC (so far) Info=-
Max Stable OC: 2805 mhz
Prime95 SFFTs: (prelim, I stopped it at 1hr, 20 min.)
Prime95 LFFTs: Running now
HTT and Multiplier Used: 255 x 11
Actual VCore: 1.61V
CPU Temp Under Load: 46C (approx, bios reports weird temps when oc'ing)

Update 1: Tried Lfft testing at 1:1 and would get an error in under a minute. Switched my dram setting to 166 and am now testing Lfft's. Ram is at 212 and 2.7v, everything else is the same. Will report back later with any new findings.

Update 2: Unable to run LFFT's for more than a few minutes. Dropped HTT to 250.

Update3: Pushed Vcore to 1.61, stable at 250 x 11, pushing for more now.

Update 4: I believe that I'm done for now, will leave it at 2750. Tried 2805, but wasn't stable.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: NINaudio
Anybody have a link to where I can get the latest verison of Super PI?

Also, why do you test stability with small and large fft's and not do the blend test, because you're trying to see if the cpu is stable and not the ram?

That is right....Many choose to test with less ram in prime and use memtest to sress the memory....I do it on a new system but I find myslef now just testing blend now while I have been tweaking to find the exact best cas timings at already tested speeds...


I have the SSE2 version...it only read to second...I used to have the one that reads to 1/1000th decimal place but I will have to search for it and it was not patched for the AMD so it does not deliver the best results...

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Koyanisquatsi

Originally posted by: user1234

Originally posted by: stratman
Yeah, results have been dissapointing so far, the exception being Koyanisquatsi, who got 2850mhz at 1.47volts, with prime stable for an hour so far. That's pretty impressive, and something very few winnies did.

So 1/3 has been good so far.

Sorry to the guys who've only gotten to 2.5/2.6, and thanks all three of you for taking time to post your results.

wishful (=wasteful) thinking there bud (=weisner) "squatsi" couldn't even pass 1M SupaPie, so counting his results as good is silly..... Math 101: 0 out of 3 = 0%

Yeah Prime95 choked on me at that speed. Lowered it to 2.6ghz went to the movies and came back and it was still going after 4 hrs. Right now I'm at 2.7ghz 1.6v. Passed 3Dmark03 and 05. Super PI seems to be working fine now. I don't know what the deal was before. Like I said it was giving errors even at default speeds. I don't know about the other 2 guys but my attempts at this so far have been kind of rushed and chaotic. Zebo's right. Need to slow down, do this right. Use some methodology.

Just remebering my build with this Winchester it was a couple of weeks and several bios rev's later before I found the sweet spot with my current O/C. I'm as anxious as you guys are, I've got a 3700+ SD coming monday and I've been seeing those crasy screenies with the first enigeering samples on phase hitting 3.5 and my expectations are through the roof. But the only bios for my board that officially supports it sux, so I'm pretty sure I will be severly limited until a better bios comes out.

My point is these cores are brand new, most of the bios (even DFI) aren't fully optimized to handle them yet. Give the mobo makers a few weeks to respond and things will get better And try not to base you expectations off of the suicide CPUZ and SuperPI 1m phase change screenies you see because its apples and oranges to what we are doing.

These new cores were only expected to be small improvements over the current 90nm process to begin with, but with anticipation created by the delayed launch fueled by the insane phase change results of a few samples suddenly we all want that "silver bullet" that will earn us 3hz on air! Ohhhh the disappointment we set our selves up for

 

[NINaudio]

Has anyone noticed a weird occurence with 3dm05? I run it once and I get horrible scores, under 4000. I run it again after the first run and my score jumps to where I would expect it to be, around 56-5700's.

 

[Duvie]

Do you have cool-n-quite enabled in the bios???

Any AV software or spyware in the background???

If you do this after a fresh boot how long to you wait after going into windows before you launch 3D05??

 

[NINaudio]

CNQ is disabled.

Norton, zonealarm, and spybot run in the background. (I'm guessing that could be part of the problem, but I've always done it this way and never noticed it on my previous intel platform)

I usually wait until everything is loaded before I run any benchmarks, so I wait a minutre or two once I see that everything has been loaded.

 

[Duvie]

Just go ahead and disable the AV and spybot...put on suspend activity...and then see if this happens....It is just widely known that like even some games AV in the background is not alwyas a friend...benching is one place all background apps should be curtailed...In the real world you likley would have not noticed the difference becuase the potential slowown may have been brief and in 1-2 of the test at the beginning

 

[NINaudio]

OK people, Prime95 would crash out in under a minute with the Large FFT test, so I put on a memory divider (166), ram is now running at 212, and the Large fft is going now. I will be out for a bit, and will let you know what happens when I come back.

I will post updates to my original post on page 3.

 

[Painman]

Thanks NIN, I just updated the OP with all the hard data we have so far. Waiting for final Prime results to be confirmed for some of these chips. Mine ran Prime overnight and this morning for 15 hours without failure @ 2560, I might tinker with a newer BIOS...

 

[Duvie]

What I would like to see ppl say is...

1) what type of cooling used??? retail???
2) Temps being reported...
3)+12v power draw....
4) bios used on their boards....

 

[NINaudio]

Well, it's hard to really find what my results will be as this isn't an official bios release. I would like to wait for that to come out to make a final decision.

Let me ask you guys a question. I'm trying to run LFFT's now and I keep getting an "Illegal Sumout Error", ever seen that before?

 

[Duvie]

NO I havent' actually....What version are ou running...

Normally I have seen rounding error or hardware error but I have not seen sumout.....

 

[Painman]

Any CPU OC that is considered incomplete or limited by other factors by the chip owner, I'll designate those OCs as so, then they can be updated later on after things are finalized, just let me know when you want to stick a fork in it and call it done...

Originally posted by: Duvie
What I would like to see ppl say is...

1) what type of cooling used??? retail???
2) Temps being reported...
3)+12v power draw....
4) bios used on their boards....

Duvie, there are slots for that info in the template all except for the +12v power draw, that one's hard to get a proper bead on since reporting programs are often way off the mark... example, Everest tries to say that my +12v rail runs at 11.78-11.84, MBM is a little better reporting it at 12.08-12.14... but then my multimeter tells me that it's 12.19-12.20 at idle and 12.16-12.17 under load...

As long as people are diligent about providing all the info requested, we should get a good look at outside variables, but for the sake of neatness and focus I'd prefer to keep only pure CPU data up top and have folks refer to people's full reports for more specifics

 

[Duvie]

I agree but even if they report wrong they seem to show elative movement correctly...I am intereted in the drop from idle to laod and less on the actual number.....I see generally now about a .1v drop only at 2.66ghz...so I want to see if ppls PSUs may be struggling....

 

[Duvie]

Oh I know you have charts on that stuff but I haven't heard ppl yet talk about temps per say...some state bios other haven't...

 

[Painman]

OK, I added your suggestions to the report template... I think I'll stop now though, I don't want to scare people off from participating by making this too involved All the requested info is easy enough to find... it's just a matter of going and getting it all.

 

[Zebo]

Ignore cpu temp

I like you already. Are you running GPU in loop? Fan type and RPM? BIX sometimes not much better than air. I have a BIX3 and when fans are @5V I get same as air results. I think you have a winner chip here.:thumbsup: