Very best notebook?

RonS

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I have $6000 to spend by the end of the year on a new notebook computer, used primarily for software development.

I'm considering a 2.1GHz Inspiron 9200 and a 2.1GHz Thinkpad T41, both fully loaded. Which one would you buy? Should I be considering something else?
 

LotusNotesGuy

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T41 or T42 hands down. Especially if you are at all mobile with it. The thinkpads are always a year or two ahead of everyone else motherboard design-wise the quality of manufacture simply can no be beat.

Inspiron? ugh, makes me cringe, if I had a dime for every post where I saw someones lid or hinge had cracked (not through abuse) but because of the bad design or cheap plastic used and Dell would not cover the repair I would be a wealthy guy. Now everyone has different opinions, but if you want a high quality notebook that will be running 2 years from now just as it is today go IBM.

AND if you unit goes in for repair, they frequently upgrade the model and give you something better if they can't fix yours or don't have the necessary parts on hand.

Also the new gateway laptops with glossy ultra brite displays and 64 bit am mobile athlon chips are nice. THey have ATI mobile 9600, 9700, ot 9800 video with independent memory, which if you are running any graphics programs you will need.
 

RonS

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I should have said T42p vs Inspiron 9200. I like the idea of an AMD-based notebook, but the Gateway build quality, from what I hear, is terrible.

I was also thinking sager or alienware. Anyone have any experience with them vs. the T42p or i9200?

 

stingygrrl

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IBM IBM IBM

I had to give up my T41, and now have to choose between a Dell and probably HP.. makes me cry..

 

Tiamat

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Maybe I misunderstood, but i though IBM computers have gone bye bye... no? If not thank god! If so :cry;
 

eriqesque

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Originally posted by: Tiamat
Maybe I misunderstood, but i though IBM computers have gone bye bye... no? If not thank god! If so :cry;

You misunderstood.
Somewhat... But in short IBM has stuck a deal with Lenovo a chinese company who has purchesd the lines and will manufacuter them for IBM continuing with all curent IBM standards and service and brands.

ThinkPads and IBM will continue far into the future.
 

trikster2

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> continuing with all curent IBM standards

There is no way to guarantee that. IBM won't own a controlling interest so basicaly lenonov can do whatever they want once the deal is closed. I'm sure lenonov will want to shift production from the current manufacturer (a competitor) at the very least. And outsourcing your support to the U.S. can't be a very profitable business model in this day and age, I wonder how long it will last.

But that's beside the point. IBM thinkpads will be IBM thinkpads for another 6 months to a year. After that you should still be able to get parts support for another few years they are probably a safe investment if you do not need your laptop to last more than 3 or 4 years.

Regarding the very best laptop for 6K? Hmm. that's a tough question. You need to better define what you mean by best. It means different things to different people. Are you looking for best weight, best battery life best display? You can't have them all.

Your initial two choices are very differnet.

The Inspiron 9200 does have some advantages. It does DVI out without a docking station (no IBM does). It should be able to do dual monitor dvi/vga out. Big disadvantage with the i9200 is the lack of gig ethernet, here the IBM wins and if you have to carry it anywhere, the IBM will be lighter. The IBM will have a better keyboard, but you can always buy an IBM laptop keyboard for long typing sessions. Curious as to why you are not considering the T42P?

Other options if you want a big screen:
$3000 17" toshiba quismo... very bright very big beatiful. That is a wonderful laptop very solid feel but like all 17 inchers huge.
$3000 17" Sony A290. at 3K nearly twice as much as an equivalent i9200. but looks better
$2000 17" HP8000 If you have to have a numeric keypad, HP and Gateway sell 17" laptops with built in keypads.
$2500 17" Sager 9860 (PCIe based Nvidia 6600g etc)
http://www.discountlaptops.com...ry&include_type=16


 

eriqesque

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Originally posted by: trikster2
> continuing with all curent IBM standards

There is no way to guarantee that. IBM won't own a controlling interest so basicaly lenonov can do whatever they want once the deal is closed. I'm sure lenonov will want to shift production from the current manufacturer (a competitor) at the very least. And outsourcing your support to the U.S. can't be a very profitable business model in this day and age, I wonder how long it will last.

But that's beside the point. IBM thinkpads will be IBM thinkpads for another 6 months to a year. After that you should still be able to get parts support for another few years they are probably a safe investment if you do not need your laptop to last more than 3 or 4 years.

Anyway.... Believe what you like.... Only time will tell.
They won't be otsorcing the support here. It's already here and so will they be. Since they are moving the headquarters to New York and and IBM executive Steven Ward will be the new CEO.

To answer the op's question if you are looking for an all around good machine and with that much cash you can easily and coldn't go wrong with an IBM T42 ot T42p depending on yor needs.
 

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$6000? Are the top of the line t42p's that much now? With $6000, I think I'd get two laptops, probably a 15" t42 and then one of the ultralight thinkpads with 12" screens

If the spending can wait till January, there should be new stuff coming out then.
 

RonS

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What's coming out in January? I did some web search for rumors on upcoming notebooks, but didn't find much.
 

Busithoth

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Well, since go-l seems to be out of production business, I guess I will throw my hat in the t42 recommendation crowd. I seriously doubt you'd regret it. Hell, you could even get a nice docking station and big ol' LCD for home use...
 

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Originally posted by: RonS
What's coming out in January? I did some web search for rumors on upcoming notebooks, but didn't find much.

ditto.. what's coming out in Jan?
 

trikster2

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> Anyway.... Believe what you like.... Only time will tell.
I believe there is uncertanty in the future of IBM thinkpads, I don't just re-spout the rosey picture of IBM press releases.

I was just thinking with $6000 I would get a $3000 laptop and a $3000 LCD.

Almost everyone has better video than the IBM's, if you are coding anything with graphics or multitasking where a Hyper Threading P4 will help, go with something like the XPS or the new HP ZD8000.

If you do go with an external LCD get DVI out on your laptop. Sort of limits it to stuff like the dell, and the Acer Ferarri, but DVI is worth it.


Ref:
IBM Could Lose Half Its PC Prospects To Dell, HP
http://www.techweb.com/wire/hardware/55300732

Sale of IBM unit doesn't mean ThinkPads will cease to exist
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...nkpadswillceasetoexist
But Lenovo is known for cutting corners to make extremely low-cost PCs, including some that sell for less than $400 in China. It will take big internal changes to adopt IBM's high standards, Reynolds says. And Lenovo is expected to put a lot of pressure on IBM's Asian suppliers, who are its direct competitors.

That can worry tech buyers. Most tech analysts expect IBM rivals Dell and Hewlett-Packard to gain market share as the deal unfolds.
 

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I would get a nice, small, portable IBM laptop. Then buy a really powerful desktop and put it together yourself. And then go out to dinner at a really nice place, and that should spend your $6000.
 

kuangs168

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i think the OP is getting 6000 from tax return or something, there's better things to buy or do with that money rather than put into one lappy
 

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Take one of those 1U rackmount dual opteron machines. Add LCD of corresponding size and a swivel joint. Congratulations, you got yourself the best notebook in the world (and probably went over budget).
 

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Originally posted by: GDut0n
I would get a nice, small, portable IBM laptop. Then buy a really powerful desktop and put it together yourself. And then go out to dinner at a really nice place, and that should spend your $6000.

me too!
 

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Originally posted by: Busithoth
Well, since go-l seems to be out of production business, I guess I will throw my hat in the t42 recommendation crowd. I seriously doubt you'd regret it. Hell, you could even get a nice docking station and big ol' LCD for home use...

go-l is out of production business for defrauding the public. your recommendation is worthless if that would've been your first choice.
 

Busithoth

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Im just curious, what did go-i do that defrauded the public?

me too. their approach to loading the OS into RAM always made me smile, but then my recommendation is worthless. I'd follow jvarszegi's, if you can find it.

 

jvarszegi

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Im just curious, what did go-i do that defrauded the public?

I'd have to hunt for lots more information, but basically this might be a decent starting point if you're curious:

http://plex.us/outbursts/liebermann.html

Back before the company went bust, there were lots of people in outrage because Go-L's website made clearly impossible claims; I didn't know enough to verify the accusations, but lots of knowledgeable-seeming people claimed at the time that some Go-L components were impossible to use in the ways stated on their website. There were also people who'd placed orders and not actually received anything, and people claiming to have received hardware different from what they'd ordered. There's some pretty entertaining reading if you track it all down.

I believe that the guy behind that "company" has done this several times, but the Go-L fraud is probably his biggest. One of his previous companies (called "Michael's Computers", I think) put up seals of approval and other awards, like "Editor's Choice" logos, without permission to convince people that the machines were super-fast.
 

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the next powerbook incarnation
unless your a vb or .net junkie
I have a current powerbook with 2gb ram for sale here.
 

jvarszegi

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Originally posted by: RonS
I have $6000 to spend by the end of the year on a new notebook computer, used primarily for software development.

I'm considering a 2.1GHz Inspiron 9200 and a 2.1GHz Thinkpad T41, both fully loaded. Which one would you buy? Should I be considering something else?

For myself, I think the biggest deciding factor between these machines would be three things:


1. The keyboard

Here, don't go with the IBM just because of the famous keyboard. The layout on my 14" T41 is slightly flawed, with the function key in the lower-left corner instead of the control key; the arrow keys are also positioned less than optimally, although it's nothing you can't get used to. The keyboard is responsive, but not worlds better than those on Inspirons I've owned. I can still type slightly faster on my Inspiron 8200 than I can on this T41. I can't say anything about the I9200, which is likely from a different manufacturer, but reviewers seem to like its keyboard.


2. The screen

I know from experience that a wide screen doesn't aid in software development. Why? Because with a 4:3 screen, you can fit onscreen your ancillary toolbars, windows, etc. and still have a perfectly-sized document window next to them; if you're like me you don't write code with 300-character lines. Also, the amount of screen real estate added on doesn't buy you anything useful for work, especially in an IDE, because once you get all that other stuff onscreen you don't have much room left. I can't think of a type of programming where a widescreen would be a benefit.

You know what I'd really like is a tall screen! I sometimes rotate my 2001FP 20" UXGA flat panel 90 degrees and work that way, which lets me pack lots more lines on the screen. Sometimes it's pretty helpful. Of course, you can't do that with any current laptop. Imagine a laptop with three folded-together ultra-thin panels, that you could open and fan out... drool.

My current favorite resolution for laptop programming, BY FAR, is SXGA+, and at that resolution I prefer a 14" screen, all else being equal, because it allows for a noticeably more portable laptop with no reduction in picture quality. (If you're interested in programming fonts for smaller resolutions google on "proggy fonts", "sheldon", "andale").

The point I want to make is that the slight bit of edge space afforded by a wide screen is usually not useful for work. It's not like a second screen. Its main usefulness is for watching movies and manipulating many small windows, perhaps. Don't buy the hype about viewing documents side by side; at laptop size, they'll be practically unreadable.

Some people have reported a strange sparkling or blurring effect with the I9200's screen. That wouldn't automatically raise a red flag with me, but it would make me want to see one in person. You might have a Dell kiosk near you in a mall.


3. Battery life and weight (mobility, I guess)

PC Magazine's reviewed time of 5 hours for the I9200 (with 9-cell batter) may apparently be bogus, and in any case that number is definitely not for the I9200 under load. Another Anandtech thread poster said that another review just came out with a lot lower battery numbers.

If you travel, go with the Thinkpad. Even just plopping on the couch with a laptop that has less-than-awesome battery life can be a chore, as you tote extra cables etc. around. The I9200 is also a couple to three pounds heavier, maybe more with everything totalled up.

The T42 can take a second battery in its modular bay, something that the I9200 can't do. The T42 wins on maximum battery life.


4. Durability

Here, I wouldn't buy IBM just because of the famed Thinkpad build quality, either. For a machine on which you'll be doing much of your work, you should have a kickass warranty for at least two or three years. You also shouldn't abuse the machine, and I'm assuming you won't. The I9200 is built with a stiffer case and better components than other Inspirons of the past, so you have no worries there.


This T41 has some nice little extras; for instance, it's got a built-in keyboard light for typing in bed without disturbing the sig other. If you pop out a modular device, it'll tidy things up in Windows for you. It's an example of very nice engineering, I have to admit. It's a work machine, but I would consider buying one for myself. Nice, light and powerful.

EDIT: I generally agree with trikster2. I'd buy a $3000 machine, a $2000 flat panel, and lots of add-on equipment: backup device, etc.
 
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