Vick indicted

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: L00ker

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: Josh


Funny how on Vick's personal website it says Birthplace: Newport News aka BadNewz...i guess he should remove that by now. :roll:

If you had ever been there you would know why the call it BadNewz.

Turn on the local news at night and you can get all the badnewz you want out of Newport News.

Yeah you know who else is from BadNews?
Allen Iverson.
Great company to be with.

Yeah I actually have lived in that portion of the country aka Hampton Roads, and Newport News (like Portsmouth) is a total shithole, nothing but ***** hoodrat infested neighborhoods and scumbags who all think they are going to be the next iverson, vick, 50 cent, half of them think that welfare and unemployment is so you can practice for the pro's without having to work...

While I've never been there, I will say that the type of environment you mention is a pretty vicious cycle. Yeah, we all have individual choice, but when that's all you see day-in, day-out, it's pretty tough to even imagine there's anything else, let alone do anything about changing the status quo.

Also, while AI might not necessarily be the world's greatest role model, I've always liked the guy. He's matured quite a bit since his rookie season, and there's no doubt that when all is said and done, he gives 100% whenever he plays.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Whisper
Also, while AI might not necessarily be the world's greatest role model, I've always liked the guy. He's matured quite a bit since his rookie season, and there's no doubt that when all is said and done, he gives 100% whenever he plays.

Just not during practice.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Benedict and Yaegar collected data concerning arrest records of 509 NFL players. Their book reports that 21 percent of 509 NFL players had been arrested for something more serious than a minor brush with the law. The Chance article calculates rates for the general population and compares them to those of the football players, and concludes that despite what may appear to be a high prevalence rate of arrests for serious offenses among NFL players, these players in fact "seem to have a lower [crime] rate than the comparable population," even though they are members of a profession that rewards violence on the football field.

http://www.amstat.org/pressroo...fm?fuseaction=nflcrime

KT

Ha, Ha good one! where to start

Let's start with 21%, thats extraordinarly high compared to the general population. Anyone who thinks thats comparable to the general population is on crack. Add to that the fact that these guys have millions of dollars in disposable income to use in hidding/covering up their illegal activites and the % of players that are involved in these activites is most certainly much higher than 21%. Then reduce the % of criminals in the general population by those that commited theft crimes driven by poverty and the gap is even larger.

But my opinion is not derived from statistics but my own personal first hand experience. I came up through high school, college and semi-pro atheletics and even after my own atheletic career was over my jobs have kept me in associations with pro sports teams in baseball, basketball and football. And I will tell you that as much as I love these sports, money has all but ruined them IMO. The sense of entitlement and superiority starts at an early age and increases to the point where a majority of pro atheletes now beleive they are truly better than the average person and even to the point where they beleive they are above the law. Of course there are always exceptions, but I have witnessed some pretty dispicable things even from those with the highest reputations as being stand up guys.

Well yes, the 21% is high when compared to the general population, but most statistics I have seen for the general population include all age groups and both sexes. If you were to exclude the elderly, pre-teens, and women, and only look at same demographic that comprises most of the NFL, I think the numbers would be much more comparable.

I agree with you though, money has ruined most of sports and it is sometimes hard to see through that and just enjoy the competition.

KT

 

[ThePresence]

I heard Mike Francesa say this yesterday on the radio and I thought it was very true.
He said, look in the business world. When guys make their big bucks, they're usually in their upper 30's or in their 40's, and many times they still act like fools.
What do you think will happen when you give a 20-something year-old kid, who many times is coming from poverty, obscene amounts of money?

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I heard Mike Francesa say this yesterday on the radio and I thought it was very true.
He said, look in the business world. When guys make their big bucks, they're usually in their upper 30's or in their 40's, and many times they still act like fools.
What do you think will happen when you give a 20-something year-old kid, who many times is coming from poverty, obscene amounts of money?

he's the biggest yankee homer in THE WORLD
but he's right on this.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I heard Mike Francesa say this yesterday on the radio and I thought it was very true.
He said, look in the business world. When guys make their big bucks, they're usually in their upper 30's or in their 40's, and many times they still act like fools.
What do you think will happen when you give a 20-something year-old kid, who many times is coming from poverty, obscene amounts of money?

I expect them to blow it on booze, chicks, houses, and gold plated cars. Hosting dog fighting contests and slaughtering poor performers is not a logical consequence of giving a 20something a bunch of money.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I heard Mike Francesa say this yesterday on the radio and I thought it was very true.
He said, look in the business world. When guys make their big bucks, they're usually in their upper 30's or in their 40's, and many times they still act like fools.
What do you think will happen when you give a 20-something year-old kid, who many times is coming from poverty, obscene amounts of money?

I expect them to blow it on booze, chicks, houses, and gold plated cars. Hosting dog fighting contests and slaughtering poor performers is not a logical consequence of giving a 20something a bunch of money.

The logical consequence, and it's been seen too many times, is that you have a guy barely out of his teens who is completely out of control and think he is above the law.

 

[spaceman]

Ron Mexico lmfao.

 

[spaceman]

all i want to know is if the nfl/falcons/ etc. are going to let him play this season

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
all i want to know is if the nfl/falcons/ etc. are going to let him play this season

The people at the FPMITAP might not let him.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I heard Mike Francesa say this yesterday on the radio and I thought it was very true.
He said, look in the business world. When guys make their big bucks, they're usually in their upper 30's or in their 40's, and many times they still act like fools.
What do you think will happen when you give a 20-something year-old kid, who many times is coming from poverty, obscene amounts of money?

I expect them to blow it on booze, chicks, houses, and gold plated cars. Hosting dog fighting contests and slaughtering poor performers is not a logical consequence of giving a 20something a bunch of money.

The logical consequence, and it's been seen too many times, is that you have a guy barely out of his teens who is completely out of control and think he is above the law.

No, you are failing to differentiate between getting to a bar fight or carrying a gun around with hosting dog fights professionally. If you give 10,000 people his age the kind of money vick has, I'd be surprised if any of them decided to host dog fights and electrocute dogs that don't perform.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I heard Mike Francesa say this yesterday on the radio and I thought it was very true.
He said, look in the business world. When guys make their big bucks, they're usually in their upper 30's or in their 40's, and many times they still act like fools.
What do you think will happen when you give a 20-something year-old kid, who many times is coming from poverty, obscene amounts of money?

I expect them to blow it on booze, chicks, houses, and gold plated cars. Hosting dog fighting contests and slaughtering poor performers is not a logical consequence of giving a 20something a bunch of money.

The logical consequence, and it's been seen too many times, is that you have a guy barely out of his teens who is completely out of control and think he is above the law.

No, you are failing to differentiate between getting to a bar fight or carrying a gun around with hosting dog fights professionally. If you give 10,000 people his age the kind of money vick has, I'd be surprised if any of them decided to host dog fights and electrocute dogs that don't perform.

Rumors have it that many athletes and entertainers are involved in dog fighting. Regardless, it's the above the law attitude that enables it.

 

[ric1287]

While I've never been there, I will say that the type of environment you mention is a pretty vicious cycle. Yeah, we all have individual choice, but when that's all you see day-in, day-out, it's pretty tough to even imagine there's anything else, let alone do anything about changing the status quo.

Also, while AI might not necessarily be the world's greatest role model, I've always liked the guy. He's matured quite a bit since his rookie season, and there's no doubt that when all is said and done, he gives 100% whenever he plays.

get rid of our ***** well-fare system? That would fix the problem real quick.

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
all i want to know is if the nfl/falcons/ etc. are going to let him play this season

The people at the FPMITAP might not let him.

cmon you think itll be done and over with that quick.
i see a long, and drawn out trial and media orgy.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
all i want to know is if the nfl/falcons/ etc. are going to let him play this season

The people at the FPMITAP might not let him.

cmon you think itll be done and over with that quick.
i see a long, and drawn out trial and media orgy.

They say there's a rocket docket down there. Who knows.

 

[FreshPrince]

wow, good job falcons, ya could've gotten LT2, instead, you traded up for Vick....I bet the chargers are laughing all the way to the bank :laugh:

 

[mooglemania85]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
wow, good job falcons, ya could've gotten LT2, instead, you traded up for Vick....I bet the chargers are laughing all the way to the bank :laugh:

I think the Chargers are too busy laughing at the Giants.

Despite his stated intention not to play for them, the Chargers drafted Manning with the first overall pick in the draft. Manning refused to wear a Chargers cap for the traditional photo holding the team shirt, increasing the antipathy felt by Chargers fans. The Giants then selected N.C. State quarterback Philip Rivers with the fourth overall pick in the draft, another player the Chargers had shown interest in. The two franchises were then able to work out a trade that would send Eli to the Giants for Rivers along with their 1st and 5th round picks in 2005 and a 3rd round pick in 2004. The picks became Pro Bowler Shawne Merriman, Left Tackle Roman Oben, and Pro Bowler Nate Kaeding respectively.

 

[caivoma]

Originally posted by: mooglemania85

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
wow, good job falcons, ya could've gotten LT2, instead, you traded up for Vick....I bet the chargers are laughing all the way to the bank :laugh:

I think the Chargers are too busy laughing at the Giants.

Despite his stated intention not to play for them, the Chargers drafted Manning with the first overall pick in the draft. Manning refused to wear a Chargers cap for the traditional photo holding the team shirt, increasing the antipathy felt by Chargers fans. The Giants then selected N.C. State quarterback Philip Rivers with the fourth overall pick in the draft, another player the Chargers had shown interest in. The two franchises were then able to work out a trade that would send Eli to the Giants for Rivers along with their 1st and 5th round picks in 2005 and a 3rd round pick in 2004. The picks became Pro Bowler Shawne Merriman, Left Tackle Roman Oben, and Pro Bowler Nate Kaeding respectively.

Dang, i didnt know the Giant got owned that bad.

 

[cubby1223]

The Falcons actually had to ban the name "Ookie" from people trying to order customized jerseys through the website. Let alone who would do this kind of thing to dogs, who would purchase a jersey basically saying you support these actions? I don't know, I just don't see the humor in it.

 

[KMFJD]

Go Joey Harrington, prove Millen wrong!!!!

/not that it takes much...

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

How can you feel any sympathy for this guy? What he and his friends were doing to those animals was inhumane. It takes a seriously twisted individual to hang and electrocute dogs.

The NFL is filled with the dumbest athletes on the planet. Why anyone would think they could get away with something like this is beyond me. When he gets convicted you can bet your ass he will serve jail time. His career is over.

 

[Playmaker]

Wow...

He's been indicted.

Whether or not he's convicted aside, the attitude towards him and the immediate assumption of his guilt is absolutely terrifying. While I find dogfighting repulsive, the inability of your average prole to remain at least somewhat unbiased this early on in a legal investigation sickens me, and this thread exemplifies that.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Wow...

He's been indicted.

Whether or not he's convicted aside, the attitude towards him and the immediate assumption of his guilt is absolutely terrifying. While I find dogfighting repulsive, the inability of your average prole to remain at least somewhat unbiased this early on in a legal investigation sickens me, and this thread exemplifies that.

That's an excellent point, he hasn't been convicted of anything yet but it's gonna
tough to convince anyone that he knew nothing of what was happening at a
residence he owned.. He might get the best lawyer money can buy and indeed
beat any charge levied against him but his image will be tarnished for good.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Wow...

He's been indicted.

Whether or not he's convicted aside, the attitude towards him and the immediate assumption of his guilt is absolutely terrifying. While I find dogfighting repulsive, the inability of your average prole to remain at least somewhat unbiased this early on in a legal investigation sickens me, and this thread exemplifies that.

Nothing wrong with assuming guilt. Last time I checked, I'm not a court of law. Seriously, 99% of people indicted by the federal government are convicted. It's simple math. "Early on in a legal investigation"? The investigation has already taken place, starting months ago, and the case now is a near certainty.

The government knows Vick can afford every lawyer in the country, they would not have indicted him unless they had absolute definitive proof.

 

[LegendKiller]

From what I have read and seen, this is going to be a pretty slam-dunk case. He tried to disguise a lot of his actions through nicknames and fence companies, but overall he has implicated himself everywhere. Only way he can get out of the most major accusations is if he can prove he didn't do it directly, even then he'd be a conspirator.