Vick indicted

[Haui]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Haui
I all the fuss about when and where Michael Vick wil plead guilty to all charges against him, where does perjury come into affect? Two weeks ago, Vick pleaded not guilty, yet, since our justice system rewards criminals for "giving in", why and how can this be?

Explain to me what happens - will he get more time for "lying" about being guilty? Can the judge give more time that the expected 12-18 months? Once out, could the STATE of Atlanta file more charges on him? I know he is "phucked", but he deserves the worst punishment yet.

Why do we give him so much time to plead? Last Friday was the supposed "last day" to plead, then Monday, now he has until next Monday (probably even longer if he wants).

If a man is guilty, regardless of whether or not he pleads guilty, he should be sentenced the same way. Don't reward a criminal with a lighter sentence just because he pleads guilty.

Your thoughts?

He was not under oath when he pled not guilty.

Yes he was. There are even new "drawings" of him with his hand up in court.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
They offered him a plea bargain, wherein by admitting guilt it saves them time/effort of presenting all the evidence to a jury. This saves taxpayer money and people's time as well, hence it is worth it for them to offer people plea bargains. It also guarantees a conviction, whereas if a trial gets drawn out all sorts of craziness can happen (happen to remember OJ's case?).

If you've seen how much people hate doing jury duty you'd also understand why that helps them.

My roomate was asking the same thing and even after I explained why he still didn't get it.

Put me on the jury. I will sit through a year of hearings to convict him and give him more time.

That is another reason why they wouldn't want it to go to a jury. This seems to be a topic that really divides people. You'd get some that would say guilty without even hearing the testimony, and then you'd get people who even after hearing damning evidence would probably say not guilty just because they feel Vick is being picked on and treated unfairly. A year is wasting a lot of time that can be put towards other trials, and would cost who knows how many millions of tax payer money. Are you also willing to foot the bill for this? If you want to gripe about our legal system why don't you spend some time and actually learn about it and why certain things happen the way they do instead of listening to a bunch of idiots in the media who have little to no clue about what they're talking about? Oh wait, you've got the solutions for all our problems, so why don't you just remedy everything.

Sorry that list bit was kinda uncalled for, but you just come off as one of the ignorant people that I hear whining about all the problems when they're woefully uneducated on the subject. Not that I'm an expert, but its just sad to hear stuff like this.

Fuck you..

Did I forget to mention that Vick had a dog of mine?

Did you really forget?

 

[GenHoth]

You can always plead guilty, however you will not always receive a lighter sentence for it

 

[darkswordsman17]

They offered him a plea bargain, wherein by admitting guilt it saves them time/effort of presenting all the evidence to a jury. This saves taxpayer money and people's time as well, hence it is worth it for them to offer people plea bargains. It also guarantees a conviction, whereas if a trial gets drawn out all sorts of craziness can happen (happen to remember OJ's case?).

If you've seen how much people hate doing jury duty you'd also understand why that helps them.

My roomate was asking the same thing and even after I explained why he still didn't get it.

 

[vi edit]

I'm not a lawyer or even really follow the court cases much...but people that plead guilty up front typically don't get offered a plea bargain do they? If you say you're guilty from the start, you just showed all your cards and have nothing to barter with.

If you plead not guilty then the procecuting team actually has to worry about tying up weeks...if not months of time and money trying to prove otherwise.

With a plea they can try and make it easier for both sides.

 

[Haui]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
They offered him a plea bargain, wherein by admitting guilt it saves them time/effort of presenting all the evidence to a jury. This saves taxpayer money and people's time as well, hence it is worth it for them to offer people plea bargains. It also guarantees a conviction, whereas if a trial gets drawn out all sorts of craziness can happen (happen to remember OJ's case?).

If you've seen how much people hate doing jury duty you'd also understand why that helps them.

My roomate was asking the same thing and even after I explained why he still didn't get it.

Put me on the jury. I will sit through a year of hearings to convict him and give him more time.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: torpid
I'm old enough to be on a jury and I would lean towards giving the maximum penalty to Vick. Anyone with that amount of money and power should be punished more harshly for these acts than someone who at least could contend that it is the only thing they know how to do and it helps them make a living, or someone who can contend that they had no ability to escape a negative lifestyle.

that's a terrible, terrible view. no offense. Everyone deserves equal treatment by the justice system.

While that's true, the treatment should be much worse all the way around for people convicted beyond the shadow of a doubt. Our prisons are way too nice.

 

[Cuda1447]

Well first, Atlanta isn't a state. Second, its Virginia that might be pressing more charges against him, that could net him up to 40 years IIRC. Third, by the lawyers convincing Vick that its check-mate, it saves time and money spent on a trial. Thats taxpayer money thats saved. The judge can sentence him to anything within the law that he wants. He does NOT have to take the prosecutors deal.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: Haui

Fuck you..just because I dont know it all, doesnt mean I am an ignorant retard. Our justice system is wack, no matter how you slice it.

I never said our system isn't screwed up, but this is one thing that actually makes complete sense, its not always fair, but its a reasonable compromise. I didn't mean to be so harsh, but you need to be more careful about how you go about saying things if you don't want people bashing you over them. I know you're probably emotional based on you somewhat being involved, but you have to learn to master emotions when you say things or else you'll oftentime just hurt yourself in the process.

Sorry about your dog. Of course at the same time, I have to wonder how Vick had your dog and why on earth you would let something like that happen. Personally, from what I've seen as far as evidence of what Vick was doing, I don't see how you couldn't know what was going to happen to the dog, so I don't know that you're entirely free from blame, but I'll wait for your side of the story before I make any rash judgements.

 

[Deeko]

what, are you one of those people that planned on boycotting the NFL (which harbors people who have been convicted of killing someone while drunk driving, and then additional DUIs later), because one of the players participating in dogfighting?

I don't think you have a problem with the way the justice system works, you're just one of those that wants to see Vick get the death penalty no matter what.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
They offered him a plea bargain, wherein by admitting guilt it saves them time/effort of presenting all the evidence to a jury. This saves taxpayer money and people's time as well, hence it is worth it for them to offer people plea bargains. It also guarantees a conviction, whereas if a trial gets drawn out all sorts of craziness can happen (happen to remember OJ's case?).

If you've seen how much people hate doing jury duty you'd also understand why that helps them.

My roomate was asking the same thing and even after I explained why he still didn't get it.

Put me on the jury. I will sit through a year of hearings to convict him and give him more time.

That is another reason why they wouldn't want it to go to a jury. This seems to be a topic that really divides people. You'd get some that would say guilty without even hearing the testimony, and then you'd get people who even after hearing damning evidence would probably say not guilty just because they feel Vick is being picked on and treated unfairly. A year is wasting a lot of time that can be put towards other trials, and would cost who knows how many millions of tax payer money. Are you also willing to foot the bill for this? If you want to gripe about our legal system why don't you spend some time and actually learn about it and why certain things happen the way they do instead of listening to a bunch of idiots in the media who have little to no clue about what they're talking about? Oh wait, you've got the solutions for all our problems, so why don't you just remedy everything.

Sorry that list bit was kinda uncalled for, but you just come off as one of the ignorant people that I hear whining about all the problems when they're woefully uneducated on the subject. Not that I'm an expert, but its just sad to hear stuff like this.

Fuck you..

Did I forget to mention that Vick had a dog of mine?

More info please? How did Vick get a dog of yours?

If it was true, I would think it went like this. Vick handed $ to Haui. Haui :thumbsup: :beer: and :heart: Now gambling came to light, Haui acts all :shocked: :brokenheart: :|

 

[Haui]

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
They offered him a plea bargain, wherein by admitting guilt it saves them time/effort of presenting all the evidence to a jury. This saves taxpayer money and people's time as well, hence it is worth it for them to offer people plea bargains. It also guarantees a conviction, whereas if a trial gets drawn out all sorts of craziness can happen (happen to remember OJ's case?).

If you've seen how much people hate doing jury duty you'd also understand why that helps them.

My roomate was asking the same thing and even after I explained why he still didn't get it.

Put me on the jury. I will sit through a year of hearings to convict him and give him more time.

That is another reason why they wouldn't want it to go to a jury. This seems to be a topic that really divides people. You'd get some that would say guilty without even hearing the testimony, and then you'd get people who even after hearing damning evidence would probably say not guilty just because they feel Vick is being picked on and treated unfairly. A year is wasting a lot of time that can be put towards other trials, and would cost who knows how many millions of tax payer money. Are you also willing to foot the bill for this? If you want to gripe about our legal system why don't you spend some time and actually learn about it and why certain things happen the way they do instead of listening to a bunch of idiots in the media who have little to no clue about what they're talking about? Oh wait, you've got the solutions for all our problems, so why don't you just remedy everything.

Sorry that list bit was kinda uncalled for, but you just come off as one of the ignorant people that I hear whining about all the problems when they're woefully uneducated on the subject. Not that I'm an expert, but its just sad to hear stuff like this.

Fuck you..

Did I forget to mention that Vick had a dog of mine?

More info please? How did Vick get a dog of yours?

If it was true, I would think it went like this. Vick handed $ to Haui. Haui :thumbsup: :beer: and :heart: Now gambling came to light, Haui acts all :shocked: :brokenheart: :|

Lol.

 

[Haui]

Originally posted by: Haui
With all the fuss about when and where Michael Vick wil plead guilty to all charges against him, where does perjury come into affect? Two weeks ago, Vick pleaded not guilty, yet, since our justice system rewards criminals for "giving in", why and how can this be?

Explain to me what happens - will he get more time for "lying" about being guilty? Can the judge give more time that the expected 12-18 months? Once out, could the STATE of Virginia (and possibly Georgia) file more charges on him? I know he is "phucked", but he deserves the worst punishment yet.

Why do we give him so much time to plead? Last Friday was the supposed "last day" to plead, then Monday, now he has until next Monday (probably even longer if he wants).

If a man is guilty, regardless of whether or not he pleads guilty, he should be sentenced the same way. Don't reward a criminal with a lighter sentence just because he pleads guilty.

Your thoughts?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Well first, Atlanta isn't a state. Second, its Virginia that might be pressing more charges against him, that could net him up to 40 years IIRC. Third, by the lawyers confusing Vick that its check-mate, it saves time and money spent on a trial. Thats taxpayer money thats saved. The judge can sentence him to anything within the law that he wants. He does NOT have to take the prosecutors deal.

More than likely, part of Vick's plea bargain will include no charges from the state of Virginia. The plea agreement hasn't been drafted yet. His lawyers are smart enough (hopefully for him) to make sure he doesn't face any additional charges.

 

[Haui]

Originally posted by: Deeko
what, are you one of those people that planned on boycotting the NFL (which harbors people who have been convicted of killing someone while drunk driving, and then additional DUIs later), because one of the players participating in dogfighting?

I don't think you have a problem with the way the justice system works, you're just one of those that wants to see Vick get the death penalty no matter what.

In this case....your dead on!

 

[Vic]

A plea is not testimony and therefore not subject to perjury.

 

[Haui]

Our justice system is wack.

I bet you anything that if we had done these crimes, we would all be held to a higher state than he will be.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
They offered him a plea bargain, wherein by admitting guilt it saves them time/effort of presenting all the evidence to a jury. This saves taxpayer money and people's time as well, hence it is worth it for them to offer people plea bargains. It also guarantees a conviction, whereas if a trial gets drawn out all sorts of craziness can happen (happen to remember OJ's case?).

If you've seen how much people hate doing jury duty you'd also understand why that helps them.

My roomate was asking the same thing and even after I explained why he still didn't get it.

Put me on the jury. I will sit through a year of hearings to convict him and give him more time.

Put me on the jury, and I will vote to acquit and have a hung jury. Then you would have wasted a year.

 

[boomerang]

The best thing about our system of justice is that everyone is treatly equally under the law.

You would have the same options available to you as would Vick, Libby, the Enron gang or any other uber-rich corporate criminal.

I'm sure if you were convicted of a crime that meant serving time that you would go to a country-club prison and could most likely delay your reporting for same for 6 to 8 months.

Remember we're all equals in the eyes of the law.

If there was a choke and gag icon, I'd be using it right now.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Haui
Our justice system is wack.

I bet you anything that if we had done these crimes, we would all be held to a higher state than he will be.

No we wouldn't, Vick's co-defendants were just ordinary people, and they got even less time than Vick will likely get. Plea deals are extremely common. In fact, far more criminal cases are decided by a plea deal than by a jury trial.

That's the problem with people only getting interested in the justice system when they want to torch somebody they don't know based on evidence they've never seen. You bitch about how unfair the justice system is without ever caring enough to find out how it works and see if it is unfair. Here's an idea.... first study the justice system, then decide if it's unfair based on what you learned, then bitch about it... That way you can make valid points and create a worthwhile conversation.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: Deeko
what, are you one of those people that planned on boycotting the NFL (which harbors people who have been convicted of killing someone while drunk driving, and then additional DUIs later), because one of the players participating in dogfighting?

I don't think you have a problem with the way the justice system works, you're just one of those that wants to see Vick get the death penalty no matter what.

In this case....your dead on!

While I think what Vick did was horrible, but there's simple no rational justification for the death penalty in this case.

You are very ignorant.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Haui

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
They offered him a plea bargain, wherein by admitting guilt it saves them time/effort of presenting all the evidence to a jury. This saves taxpayer money and people's time as well, hence it is worth it for them to offer people plea bargains. It also guarantees a conviction, whereas if a trial gets drawn out all sorts of craziness can happen (happen to remember OJ's case?).

If you've seen how much people hate doing jury duty you'd also understand why that helps them.

My roomate was asking the same thing and even after I explained why he still didn't get it.

Put me on the jury. I will sit through a year of hearings to convict him and give him more time.

Are you even old enough to be on a jury?

 

[chuckywang]

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[moshquerade]

site must be getting hammered

 

[EagleKeeper]

Animal shelters have also been reporting a large amount of donations of his jersy.