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moshquerade

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Originally posted by: torpid
Here's another thought that only a genius like myself and the OP could ponder... why is it legal for people to promote and stage boxing but not to promote and stage dog fights? It seems ridiculous. I mean Emanuel Stewart is no better than Mike Vick. Both trained animals to fight other animals. Yeah, so we don't electrocute boxers, we just leave them crippled with pugilistic parkinson's. We are such hypocrites.

Also, why do we allow sperm to fight each other for which one gets to fertilize the egg? It seems like we should be concerned for the other sperm.

Because.

 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Phoenix15
Here's a random thought: What about the miners that you hear about every so often that are buried alive? Same basic comcept: they are trained and paid to do a dangerous job and sometimes they are injured or even killed doing it.

Obviously they failed at their job. We should electrocute them.
 

dmw16

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Just heard that Vick has been suspended indefinetely and the NFL has given the Falcons permission to recover up to $71Mil in money paid to vick based on the termination of his contract.

Glad to see that piece of crap gone. He reflected badly on the league and I hope he has played his last game.

I didnt see this on the front page. Sorry if its a repost.
 

michaels

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Boooooo. This is ridiculous to let this to ruin him. I say let his sorry ass serve prison time for his horrible acts but damn let the man earn his living.
 

Yreka

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20429109/


NEW YORK - The NFL indefinitely suspended Michael Vick without pay Friday just hours after he acknowledged in court papers that he did, indeed, bankroll gambling on dogfighting and helped kill some dogs not worthy of the pit.

Vick, however, insisted he placed no bets of his own nor took any winnings.

In disciplining Vick, commissioner Roger Goodell said Vick?s admitted conduct was ?not only illegal but also cruel and reprehensible? and regardless whether he personally placed bets, ?your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL player contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player.?
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A ?summary of facts? signed by Vick was filed along with his written plea agreement on a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge. He will appear before U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson to formally plead guilty Monday and then await sentencing at a later date.

The court documents and a statement by Vick?s legal team seek to portray him as less involved in the dogfighting ring than three co-defendants who previously pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against the Atlanta Falcons quarterback.

?While Mr. Vick is not personally charged with or responsible for committing all of the acts alleged in the indictment, as with any conspiracy charge, he is taking full responsibility for his actions and the actions of the others involved,? the defense team said in a written statement after the plea agreement was filed.

?Mr. Vick apologizes for his poor judgment in associating himself with those involved in dog fighting and realizes he should never have been involved in this conduct,? the statement said.

Vick signed the plea agreement late Thursday.

?Most of the Bad Newz Kennels operation and gambling monies were provided by Vick,? the summary of facts said, echoing language in plea agreements by the three co-defendants.

The statement said that when the kennel?s dogs won, the gambling proceeds were generally shared by Vick?s three co-defendants ? Tony Taylor, Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips.

?Vick did not gamble by placing side bets on any of the fights. Vick did not receive any of the proceeds of the purses that were won by Bad Newz Kennels,? the summary said.

According to the statement, Vick also was involved with the others in killing six to eight dogs that did not perform well in testing sessions last April. The dogs were executed by drowning or hanging.

?Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts? of Vick, Phillips and Peace, the statement said.

In the plea agreement, the government committed to recommending a sentence on the low end of the federal sentencing guideline range of a year to 18 months. However, the conspiracy charge is punishable by up to five years in prison, and the judge is not bound by any recommendation or by the guidelines.

Hudson has a reputation for imposing stiff sentences, according to lawyers who have appeared in his court. The judge will set a sentencing date at Monday?s hearing.

?Our position has been that we are going to try to help Judge Hudson understand all the facts and Michael?s role,? Vick?s defense attorney, Billy Martin, said in telephone interview. ?Michael?s role was different than others associated with this incident.?

Martin said Vick will ?speak to the public and explain his actions.? Though he declined to say when and where, the Tom Joyner Morning Show, a syndicated program based in Dallas, said it will have a live interview with Vick on Tuesday.

The U.S. attorney?s office, which has declined to comment on the case, said it would issue a statement after the hearing.

The case began in April when authorities conducting a drug investigation of Vick?s cousin raided a Surry County property owned by Vick and found dozens of dogs, some injured, and equipment commonly used in dogfighting.

A federal indictment issued in July charged Vick, Peace, Phillips and Taylor with an interstate dogfighting conspiracy. Vick initially denied any involvement, and all four men pleaded innocent.

Taylor was the first to change his plea to guilty, saying Vick financed the dogfighting ring?s gambling and operations. Peace and Phillips soon followed, alleging that Vick joined them in killing dogs that did not measure up in test fights.

The sickening details outlined in the indictment and other court papers prompted a public backlash against Vick, who had been one of the NFL?s most popular players.

As animal-rights groups mobilized against Vick and sponsors dropped him, Vick was barred from the Falcons training camp, but neither the NFL nor the team have taken further action.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: michaels
Boooooo. This is ridiculous to let this to ruin him. I say let his sorry ass serve prison time for his horrible acts but damn let the man earn his living.

Earn his living? He's costing the Falcons potentially hundreds of millions of dollars depending on his prison term. Not only the money that they paid to him already, but the money generated from merchandise, ticket sales, concessions, all that crap.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: michaels
Boooooo. This is ridiculous to let this to ruin him. I say let his sorry ass serve prison time for his horrible acts but damn let the man earn his living.

He's entitled to earn a living. McDonalds needs somebody to clean the bathrooms. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. The NFL needs to act in the best interest of ALL the players and teams and kick out the lying scumbag criminals.
 

tfinch2

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Feb 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: michaels
Boooooo. This is ridiculous to let this to ruin him. I say let his sorry ass serve prison time for his horrible acts but damn let the man earn his living.

:thumbsdown:
 

michaels

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Nov 30, 2005
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MMM you guys make good points, I don't watch football/sports and I didn't think about the ramifications for the team. I retract my statement.
 

dmw16

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Originally posted by: michaels
Boooooo. This is ridiculous to let this to ruin him. I say let his sorry ass serve prison time for his horrible acts but damn let the man earn his living.

He gambled (which the NFL frowns on), he killed otherwise innocent dogs (which makes him scum).

The NFL is a privilege. There are plenty of places for him to work. McDonalds like someone else already said.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: michaels
Boooooo. This is ridiculous to let this to ruin him. I say let his sorry ass serve prison time for his horrible acts but damn let the man earn his living.

He can earn his living when he gets out jail. Do you think my company would hold my position for me when I got out of jail after being being indicted on a felony, copping a plea, and then serving jail time?
 

Yreka

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: michaels
Boooooo. This is ridiculous to let this to ruin him. I say let his sorry ass serve prison time for his horrible acts but damn let the man earn his living.

He can earn his living when he gets out jail. Do you think my company would hold my position for me when I got out of jail after being being indicted on a felony, copping a plea, and then serving jail time?

Yeah, there is always the NBA.
 

MichaelD

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*inhales clean, fresh, mountain air*

Ahhhh! More than a month after my original participation in this thread, and I can honestly say:

Wow...he actually WAS FORCED TO PLEAD GUILTY AND IN COURSE, THE NFL TO FIRE HIM!" :shocked:

I'm very pleased. Possibly (I'm not getting my hopes up) this is the beginning of "professional sports" being fed up w/the behavior of the people it hires.

I think Michael Vick should be BARRED from any professional sports-related-for-profit-activity for life... PERIOD.

He is "The Begining Of The Message." I say let it ring loudly and clearly.
 

SSSnail

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Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
They offered him a plea bargain, wherein by admitting guilt it saves them time/effort of presenting all the evidence to a jury. This saves taxpayer money and people's time as well, hence it is worth it for them to offer people plea bargains. It also guarantees a conviction, whereas if a trial gets drawn out all sorts of craziness can happen (happen to remember OJ's case?).

If you've seen how much people hate doing jury duty you'd also understand why that helps them.

My roomate was asking the same thing and even after I explained why he still didn't get it.

Put me on the jury. I will sit through a year of hearings to convict him and give him more time.

Are you even old enough to be on a jury?


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Well, isn't this the surprise of the century. My guess would have been 12, female.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
They offered him a plea bargain, wherein by admitting guilt it saves them time/effort of presenting all the evidence to a jury. This saves taxpayer money and people's time as well, hence it is worth it for them to offer people plea bargains. It also guarantees a conviction, whereas if a trial gets drawn out all sorts of craziness can happen (happen to remember OJ's case?).

If you've seen how much people hate doing jury duty you'd also understand why that helps them.

My roomate was asking the same thing and even after I explained why he still didn't get it.

Put me on the jury. I will sit through a year of hearings to convict him and give him more time.

Are you even old enough to be on a jury?


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Well, isn't this the surprise of the century. My guess would have been 12, female.

disappointed?
 

cubby1223

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I heard a really strange thing on the radio the other day, if no one claims the dogs that were taken from Vick's property soon they will be euthanized. Something's just wrong about that.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
I heard a really strange thing on the radio the other day, if no one claims the dogs that were taken from Vick's property soon they will be euthanized. Something's just wrong about that.

I doubt any of the dogs are adoptable.
 

BunLengthHotDog

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
I heard a really strange thing on the radio the other day, if no one claims the dogs that were taken from Vick's property soon they will be euthanized. Something's just wrong about that.

Taking a mistreated animal away from the situation is a risky proposition, even if its something manageable like a Beagle or Dachshund...they can take years to rehab back into a suitable family pet.

I cannot imagine trying to retrain, or re-domesticate a pitbull that has been severely mistreated and trained to kill other animals. The breed has a bad rep for maulings etc, if not trained properly by their owners...these animals probably are beyond rehabilitation at this point.

Sad sad outcome.

 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
I heard a really strange thing on the radio the other day, if no one claims the dogs that were taken from Vick's property soon they will be euthanized. Something's just wrong about that.

what exactly...pray tell...
 

Agentbolt

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Jamie Foxx weighs in!

"It's a cultural thing, I think," Jamie said. "Most brothers didn't know that, you know. I used to see dogs fighting in the neighborhood all the time. I didn't know that was Fed time. So, Mike probably just didn't read his handbook on what not to do as a black star." While he has a way of lightening even the most sensitive of subjects, Jamie is sincere in his belief that the quarterback is not being given a fair shake.
"I know that cruelty to animals is bad, but sometimes people shoot people and kill people and don't get time," Jamie continued. "I think in this situation, he really didn't know the extent of it, so I always give him the benefit of the doubt."

Seriously, what the fuck. This bothers me in so many ways.

#1. If he didn't know it was wrong, why did he do it in remote locations and lie about it when caught?

#2. Why aren't the 99.9999% of black people who aren't dog fighting/retard enthusiasts rising up and SLAYING Jamie Foxx for this crap? He is attempting to speak for black people everywhere and making them seem like moronic children. "He didn't know it was wrong because he's black!" How does that not offend everyone who hears it?

#3. For that matter, why aren't white columnists crucifying this guy? Between his comments and Gary Sheffield's constant Whitey bashing, I've had it. This carte blanche we've gven famous blacks to say whatever they want because of being terrified of being labeled a racist is ridiclous. The more people get away with saying this kind of crap, the more it's going to be accepted that black people have the right to do whatever the hell they want simply because they're black and apparently too stupid to know any better, or it's their "culture"

Fine, I'm a racist for posting this, whatever. It's gotten ridiculous. There's not going to be racial equality until I'm allowed to say "Jamie Foxx is a fucking moron for using being black as an excuse for being clueless that brutally murdering dogs is wrong" regardless of what color his skin is. Christ.
 

jhu

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i still don't understand the big deal. so he kills a few dogs that are underperforming. in dog racing, the same thing happens! granted, the owners may not be the ones to kill the dogs, but they're sent away to be killed anyway. same with horse racing. the horse gets too old, and off the horse goes to be slaughtered. i know someone who rescues old race horses, and its ridiculous how the original owners don't care about their animals that are past their prime.
 

jhu

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
I heard a really strange thing on the radio the other day, if no one claims the dogs that were taken from Vick's property soon they will be euthanized. Something's just wrong about that.

unfortunately, these dogs aren't pet material anymore since they're now too dangerous
 

jhu

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Originally posted by: wkabel23
On a side note, I find it amusing that more attention is being paid to the Vick case than has ever been paid to a case of domestic violence and athletes. Putting 2 dogs together and forcing them to fight is horrible, but slapping your wife around? That's just normal. :roll:

exactly. remember ray carruth?
 
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