VIDEO: North Korea (2 VIDEOS)

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Mo0o
This is the country we should have invaded

north korea definitely has WMD
iran probably has WMD

we should have settled afgan first, then secure both of those countries.

Those of you who are serious about invading NK, you guys are fools and naive.

If you aren't aware, North Korean military is more formidable than Iraq or Iran, although their equipments are rather dated. Once invaded, they will launch a barrage of artillery and missiles to South Korea and perhaps to Japan. A metropolitan like Seoul will have very heavy casualties.

Korean peninsula is not flat. There are a lot of mountains, and this will prove to be challenging for tanks/mobile forces.

The difference between NK and Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan is that there is a counterpart in SK that will experience severe attrition.

I'm not really talking about it from a strategic point of view, more from a "how big of a difference it would make." Life in Iraq really wasn't that bad during Saddam's reign for the majority of the poeple. I understand of course they're under political oppression and if you were a Kurd then life sucked but for most people they had access to resources and there wasn't mass starvation. Life in NK sucks ass. When people are forced to eat tree bark and the government refuses to help, it's time for teh world to step in. I dont care if they dont have oil or diamonds or whatever. maybe it's too idealistic of me, oh well.

youre right, the world should step in.

but because the casualties would be so enormous, it wont happen.

Originally posted by: TheChort

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: TheChort
WOW, that video really touched me... I wasn't aware things were like that in N.Korea. I watched this all the way through last night.

that being said, i'm also gonna add that the documentary is EXTREMELY biased and borderline propaganda.

How so? Even the documentaries made in South Korea reveal atrocities like these, even worse. And SK is trying to reconcile with NK, even going against the United State's suggestions, being too generous with food aid, heavily investing, and providing power/resources.

I used to live at SK and as I mentioned earlier, my father was in the military/espionage.

i dont know...
i just felt like the journalist went in there with the intention to show how fvcked up NK is. I couldn't notice any positive things about NK from the way they editted the video. The fact is, we weren't really introduced to the NK perspective on things. The one woman talking about the monument was shown for 15 seconds, and immediately the narrator came on talking about how she is just preaching NK propaganda.
The video made all 'happy' NK citizens out to be mindless drones. It seemed too 1984-esque.

Maybe I'm way off. Maybe the country really is that fvcked up, but considering the political bias in not just communist countries, but in the US media as well, Im willing to take that documentary with a grain of salt

tour report of korea by an american

got it from ATOT some time last year, good read. there isnt a reason for *anyone* to think this country is a happy place.

edit: interesting note; at 7:22 into the movie, you see a high-shot of Pyong-yang, the capital. the next few minutes are good.

theres a large, long road in the bottom left of the shot. there are no cars on it. follow that, and there are pretty well no people visible around the tourists wherever they go. this is the capital. continue, and most street-shots have few or no cars, or people. again, in a capital city. in broad daylight.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: TheChort

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: TheChort
WOW, that video really touched me... I wasn't aware things were like that in N.Korea. I watched this all the way through last night.

that being said, i'm also gonna add that the documentary is EXTREMELY biased and borderline propaganda.

How so? Even the documentaries made in South Korea reveal atrocities like these, even worse. And SK is trying to reconcile with NK, even going against the United State's suggestions, being too generous with food aid, heavily investing, and providing power/resources.

I used to live at SK and as I mentioned earlier, my father was in the military/espionage.

i dont know...
i just felt like the journalist went in there with the intention to show how fvcked up NK is. I couldn't notice any positive things about NK from the way they editted the video. The fact is, we weren't really introduced to the NK perspective on things. The one woman talking about the monument was shown for 15 seconds, and immediately the narrator came on talking about how she is just preaching NK propaganda.
The video made all 'happy' NK citizens out to be mindless drones. It seemed too 1984-esque.

Maybe I'm way off. Maybe the country really is that fvcked up, but considering the political bias in not just communist countries, but in the US media as well, Im willing to take that documentary with a grain of salt

what good is there about your country when most of its people are starving? please, let us know

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
That's some disturbing stuff...

That fvcker Kim Jong-Il needs to eliminated. My father trained spies for South Korea when he was younger. He sent countless spies but he said none of them returned.

Uh...so you're sad that when you send spies into hostile territory, the country being spied on isn't happy?

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Mo0o
This is the country we should have invaded

north korea definitely has WMD
iran probably has WMD

we should have settled afgan first, then secure both of those countries.

Those of you who are serious about invading NK, you guys are fools and naive.

If you aren't aware, North Korean military is more formidable than Iraq or Iran, although their equipments are rather dated. Once invaded, they will launch a barrage of artillery and missiles to South Korea and perhaps to Japan. A metropolitan like Seoul will have very heavy casualties.

Korean peninsula is not flat. There are a lot of mountains, and this will prove to be challenging for tanks/mobile forces.

The difference between NK and Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan is that there is a counterpart in SK that will experience severe attrition.

I'm not really talking about it from a strategic point of view, more from a "how big of a difference it would make." Life in Iraq really wasn't that bad during Saddam's reign for the majority of the poeple. I understand of course they're under political oppression and if you were a Kurd then life sucked but for most people they had access to resources and there wasn't mass starvation. Life in NK sucks ass. When people are forced to eat tree bark and the government refuses to help, it's time for teh world to step in. I dont care if they dont have oil or diamonds or whatever. maybe it's too idealistic of me, oh well.

Although this was not explicitly reported in the video, during periods of extreme starvation, entire families will commit suicide by eating homemade poison. (The children don't know)

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Mo0o
This is the country we should have invaded

north korea definitely has WMD
iran probably has WMD

we should have settled afgan first, then secure both of those countries.

Those of you who are serious about invading NK, you guys are fools and naive.

If you aren't aware, North Korean military is more formidable than Iraq or Iran, although their equipments are rather dated. Once invaded, they will launch a barrage of artillery and missiles to South Korea and perhaps to Japan. A metropolitan like Seoul will have very heavy casualties.

Korean peninsula is not flat. There are a lot of mountains, and this will prove to be challenging for tanks/mobile forces.

The difference between NK and Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan is that there is a counterpart in SK that will experience severe attrition.

I'm not really talking about it from a strategic point of view, more from a "how big of a difference it would make." Life in Iraq really wasn't that bad during Saddam's reign for the majority of the poeple. I understand of course they're under political oppression and if you were a Kurd then life sucked but for most people they had access to resources and there wasn't mass starvation. Life in NK sucks ass. When people are forced to eat tree bark and the government refuses to help, it's time for teh world to step in. I dont care if they dont have oil or diamonds or whatever. maybe it's too idealistic of me, oh well.

Although this was not explicitly reported in the video, during periods of extreme starvation, entire families will commit suicide by eating homemade poison. (The children don't know)

link/source?

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Mo0o
This is the country we should have invaded

north korea definitely has WMD
iran probably has WMD

we should have settled afgan first, then secure both of those countries.

Those of you who are serious about invading NK, you guys are fools and naive.

If you aren't aware, North Korean military is more formidable than Iraq or Iran, although their equipments are rather dated. Once invaded, they will launch a barrage of artillery and missiles to South Korea and perhaps to Japan. A metropolitan like Seoul will have very heavy casualties.

Korean peninsula is not flat. There are a lot of mountains, and this will prove to be challenging for tanks/mobile forces.

The difference between NK and Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan is that there is a counterpart in SK that will experience severe attrition.

I'm not really talking about it from a strategic point of view, more from a "how big of a difference it would make." Life in Iraq really wasn't that bad during Saddam's reign for the majority of the poeple. I understand of course they're under political oppression and if you were a Kurd then life sucked but for most people they had access to resources and there wasn't mass starvation. Life in NK sucks ass. When people are forced to eat tree bark and the government refuses to help, it's time for teh world to step in. I dont care if they dont have oil or diamonds or whatever. maybe it's too idealistic of me, oh well.

Although this was not explicitly reported in the video, during periods of extreme starvation, entire families will commit suicide by eating homemade poison. (The children don't know)

link/source?

my parents.
edit: my father is 65. He was the youngest in his family. My oldest uncle is 80. As you can imagine, my family members have gone through some very tough experiences. The stories I have been told are either first hand experience, or common occurences that everyone knew about. The bit I just shared about entire families committing suicide is something some families would do, since the parents knew they would die and they did not want to leave the kids behind to starve and suffer longer.

As far as I know they would take this white clayish soil and a certain grass and boil them and make a dish that seems similar on the outside to a korean side dish. The families would eat that and then die.

 

[winr]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Mo0o
This is the country we should have invaded

north korea definitely has WMD
iran probably has WMD

we should have settled afgan first, then secure both of those countries.

Those of you who are serious about invading NK, you guys are fools and naive.

If you aren't aware, North Korean military is more formidable than Iraq or Iran, although their equipments are rather dated. Once invaded, they will launch a barrage of artillery and missiles to South Korea and perhaps to Japan. A metropolitan like Seoul will have very heavy casualties.

Korean peninsula is not flat. There are a lot of mountains, and this will prove to be challenging for tanks/mobile forces.

The difference between NK and Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan is that there is a counterpart in SK that will experience severe attrition.

I'm not really talking about it from a strategic point of view, more from a "how big of a difference it would make." Life in Iraq really wasn't that bad during Saddam's reign for the majority of the poeple. I understand of course they're under political oppression and if you were a Kurd then life sucked but for most people they had access to resources and there wasn't mass starvation. Life in NK sucks ass. When people are forced to eat tree bark and the government refuses to help, it's time for teh world to step in. I dont care if they dont have oil or diamonds or whatever. maybe it's too idealistic of me, oh well.

Although this was not explicitly reported in the video, during periods of extreme starvation, entire families will commit suicide by eating homemade poison. (The children don't know)

 

[Taejin]

Please do not think too harshly about the children not being fed by adults around them. WHen you are exposed to a stimuli too often, you cannot respond to it the way we would. When death and dying are a common sight, people become numb to it. And as you can see, North Koreans are having difficulty simply fending for themselves. I am korean american and it breaks my heart to see this, and I cannot but feel helpless for the children, for the adults and anyone who is given the short stick from this regime.

 

[JinLien]

That is really Sad.

It reminded me of the time right after the war in Vietnam. The Communist government is terrible, but the embargo by the US make thing worst than it is.

I wish that all government learn to play nice to each other and helps their people instead of condemn them to the life that we see on the video.

 

[Nebor]

Short of a costly full scale war, the only solution is to cut off aid, and let the entire country, government and all, run itself into the ground.

 

[JinLien]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Short of a costly full scale war, the only solution is to cut off aid, and let the entire country, government and all, run itself into the ground.

What I saw & heard in Vietnam was bad that is similar to NK but I never heard of cannibalism.

I think this call for an invasion like the way that the Vietnamese has done to take out Pol Pot in Cambodia.

Too bad NK do not have oil to attract more international interest.

Maybe Bill Gates sees this video and feel bad enough to donate enough money to stage a coup.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: intogamer

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Mo0o
This is the country we should have invaded

north korea definitely has WMD
iran probably has WMD

we should have settled afgan first, then secure both of those countries.

Those of you who are serious about invading NK, you guys are fools and naive.

If you aren't aware, North Korean military is more formidable than Iraq or Iran, although their equipments are rather dated. Once invaded, they will launch a barrage of artillery and missiles to South Korea and perhaps to Japan. A metropolitan like Seoul will have very heavy casualties.

Korean peninsula is not flat. There are a lot of mountains, and this will prove to be challenging for tanks/mobile forces.

The difference between NK and Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan is that there is a counterpart in SK that will experience severe attrition.

Thats why you gotta nuke the capital + major cities

Won't work. Every wargame scenario puts Seoul at minimum 33% destroyed, even with first mover advantage

33.3%. Repeating, of course.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Taejin


Although this was not explicitly reported in the video, during periods of extreme starvation, entire families will commit suicide by eating homemade poison. (The children don't know)

link/source?

I found it mentioned in a couple of places. Reliable? Who knows......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/905505/posts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,384825,00.html

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Dacalo
That's some disturbing stuff...

That fvcker Kim Jong-Il needs to eliminated. My father trained spies for South Korea when he was younger. He sent countless spies but he said none of them returned.

Uh...so you're sad that when you send spies into hostile territory, the country being spied on isn't happy?

Uh... are you clueless? This was back in the 60's, when Cold War was very prominent. Why would I be sad? I am just alluding that Kim Jong-Il/Kim Il-Sung (dead) should have been taken out long time ago.

Originally posted by: sandmanwake

Either NK's antispy division is really good or your dad really sucked at the training and forgot to put the South Korean spies on a no food diet so they'd look like the North Korean and could blend in more easily.

Hey ignorant, back then, NK was economically wealthier than the South, thus no starvation. Obviously, you aren't familiar with NK, or you wouldn't make moronic comments like that. These spies were sent to assasinate the Kims, not gather information and return.

 

[Raincity]

No Western military is going to get hostile with NK when there is enough artillery to level Seoul back to the stone age in less than an hour.
For those who take these reports with a grain of salt. How many leaders have you ever heard of in the past that takes a film producer and his wife hostage and enslaves them into making fims for cucko head John 2 who is bored with his owns countries media.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JinLien

That is really Sad.

It reminded me of the time right after the war in Vietnam. The Communist government is terrible, but the embargo by the US make thing worst than it is.

I wish that all government learn to play nice to each other and helps their people instead of condemn them to the life that we see on the video.

Congrats on being one step short of blaming the US and not the evils and failures of communism for the plight of Vietnam :roll:

 

[JinLien]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JinLien

That is really Sad.

It reminded me of the time right after the war in Vietnam. The Communist government is terrible, but the embargo by the US make thing worst than it is.

I wish that all government learn to play nice to each other and helps their people instead of condemn them to the life that we see on the video.

Congrats on being one step short of blaming the US and not the evils and failures of communism for the plight of Vietnam :roll:

What are you smoking?
The Vietnamese didn't have anything against the US and 19.5 years of embargo after the war did alot of damage to the Vietnamese. Saber rattling between the US and NK hasn't done both countries any good, and it make matter worst by adding the embargo on top of things (the people that get hurt are the poor people not party members).

"You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JinLien

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JinLien

That is really Sad.

It reminded me of the time right after the war in Vietnam. The Communist government is terrible, but the embargo by the US make thing worst than it is.

I wish that all government learn to play nice to each other and helps their people instead of condemn them to the life that we see on the video.

Congrats on being one step short of blaming the US and not the evils and failures of communism for the plight of Vietnam :roll:

What are you smoking?
The Vietnamese didn't have anything against the US and 19.5 years of embargo after the war did alot of damage to the Vietnamese. Saber rattling between the US and NK hasn't done both countries any good, and it make matter worst by adding the embargo on top of things (the people that get hurt are the poor people not party members).

"You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

:thumbsup: political scholar

 

[daveymark]

although this example of socialism doesn't work, most other forms of socialism do work. there's an exception to every rule

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: daveymark
although this example of socialism doesn't work, most other forms of socialism do work. there's an exception to every rule

DPRK isn't socialism...it's communism. And yes, "socialism" "works" but capitalism works much better.

 

[0roo0roo]

yet the euros and the morally righteous leftists carp on us eh no marches for the million starved to death and other horrors.
grr

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
If you aren't aware, North Korean military is more formidable than Iraq or Iran, although their equipments are rather dated. Once invaded, they will launch a barrage of artillery and missiles to South Korea and perhaps to Japan. A metropolitan like Seoul will have very heavy casualties.

Korean peninsula is not flat. There are a lot of mountains, and this will prove to be challenging for tanks/mobile forces.

The difference between NK and Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan is that there is a counterpart in SK that will experience severe attrition.

It's actually the occupation that is tough, we'd roll over N.Korea just like in the Korean War, and that was when China was doing all the fighting for them. Although you're right, they would hit S.Korea and Japan, it's basically a hostage situation - let me get away with my crimes against humanity (N.Korea) or I'll kill these people (S.Korea and Japan). The same would have been true for Iraq if they were able to get missile delivery systems capable of hitting Israel - and most recently we have Iran who should be able to bully their way out of justice.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Raincity
No Western military is going to get hostile with NK when there is enough artillery to level Seoul back to the stone age in less than an hour.
For those who take these reports with a grain of salt. How many leaders have you ever heard of in the past that takes a film producer and his wife hostage and enslaves them into making fims for cucko head John 2 who is bored with his owns countries media.

Yes but one wonders whether that military is really loyal to their leader.Sure they are loyal now because if they aren't the soldiers will be killed and the families starved. Then again they may be brainwashed beyond hope.

 

[HOWITIS]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: daveymark
although this example of socialism doesn't work, most other forms of socialism do work. there's an exception to every rule

DPRK isn't socialism...it's communism. And yes, "socialism" "works" but capitalism works much better.

neither capatalism nor socailism works. what works is capatalsm with a litle socialism thrown in. thats what we have in america. some countries throw too much socalism in and you get france.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: HOWITIS

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: daveymark
although this example of socialism doesn't work, most other forms of socialism do work. there's an exception to every rule

DPRK isn't socialism...it's communism. And yes, "socialism" "works" but capitalism works much better.

neither capatalism nor socailism works. what works is capatalsm with a litle socialism thrown in. thats what we have in america. some countries throw too much socalism in and you get france.

too much socialism is what we have now.. it barely works, but it's failing gradually, and will take years to completely collapse: social security and unions/gm for example.

right now the UAW workers get paid more than my brother (engineer). granted, he has a nice raise sometime in the future