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BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
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I know, seriously. All these sheep don't even realize that their dollars aren't actually backed with anything. They are utterly worthless except for what other greater fools are willing to pay for them.

They are backed by the biggest military and economy in the world. I would say that's "something". Sorry to interject reason in to this discussion but it's what I do.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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I'm not sure what your point is. You can do all the hand-waving you want, it doesn't change the fact that the price of gas at the pump is highly unstable and increases and decreases weekly. I don't care WHY you think it isn't stable, the fact is it isn't stable. Your super awesome USD currency isn't keeping gas prices stable, so there goes your whole argument about USD keeping prices stable.

Your entire bullshit thread can be summed up with this quote. Why? Because your anti-intellectual bias is really nothing more than an availability bias, you think that inflation is *just* monetary inflation yet fail to recognize that there are other types of inflation caused by any number of variables other than monetary ones. In effect, you are a myopic tunnel-vision buffoon. I don't need to reply to this thread again since you confirmed this to the entire forum.
 

Doppel

Lifer
Feb 5, 2011
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I know, seriously. All these sheep don't even realize that their dollars aren't actually backed with anything. They are utterly worthless except for what other greater fools are willing to pay for them.

He was talking about you, fool.
 

Chiropteran

Diamond Member
Nov 14, 2003
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you think that inflation is *just* monetary inflation yet fail to recognize that there are other types of inflation caused by any number of variables other than monetary ones.

Okay, let me summarize your argument.

1. The bitcoin to USD value is unstable, it's obviously bitcoin's fault and proves bitcoin is a worthless currency because nobody wants an unstable currency.

2. When USD cost of various items (especially gasoline) is unstable, it's obviously the commodities fault, not USD, and even though the price is unstable it's all fine and good and everything is a-okay.

Basically you are arguing that bitcoin is worthless because it's been unstable, but at the same time USD is fine even when certain commodities vary wildly in value week by week.

You need to accept one of the following possibilities.

Variable currency value is fine, in which case bitcoin is fine.
-or-
Variable currency value destroys all usability of a currency, in which case you must accept that USD is worthless, as you yourself said in a previous post that no companies can keep USD prices consistent in the face of inflation.

Obviously I have you backed into a corner here, and you can't answer without admitting you were wrong earlier, so I don't expect a response. Just wanted to clarify my argument for any other readers.

They are backed by the biggest military and economy in the world. I would say that's "something". Sorry to interject reason in to this discussion but it's what I do.

That is not what "backed" means. Gold backed currency can be exchanged for gold at a known ratio, at will. Where can I exchange my USD for US military assistance? I can't. In the absence of an independent 3rd party willing to give me value for my currency, USD is backed by nothing.

Given that 1 BTC is worth $133 from any given independent 3rd party, while $1 is still only worth $1, whats the real difference?

As a thought experiment, say I offered you 5 red crystals or 5 emerald crystals. You can easily sell either for $100 a piece on ebay, as long as you only sell one a day so as to not flood the market. There are exactly 1000 red crystals in existence, and none can ever be made again. There are 500000 emerald crystals in existence, and I can create 10000 at a time for no effort at all and sell them for any price I choose. Which one would you rather have?

USD aren't backed by shit, and if the economy goes nose up USD will lose value fast. Even if the economy remains "fine", they will continue to lose value at a steady rate due to endless printing of new currency by the Fed.
 

Chiropteran

Diamond Member
Nov 14, 2003
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This thread inspired me, after researching bit coins I decided to spend my savings on 100 bit coins. I get an extra life now, right?

I'm fairly certain you were being sarcastic. Thats too bad, because you would be about $30,000 richer if you actually did that.

100 bitcoins cost $120 each back in May, when you made your post, or $12,000. No small chunk of change.

Today those 100 bitcoins are worth $43,200.

This is kinda fun. I hope this thread is still around in 10 years, when a single bitcoin is worth more than an average house.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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I'm fairly certain you were being sarcastic. Thats too bad, because you would be about $30,000 richer if you actually did that.

100 bitcoins cost $120 each back in May, when you made your post, or $12,000. No small chunk of change.

Today those 100 bitcoins are worth $43,200.

This is kinda fun. I hope this thread is still around in 10 years, when a single bitcoin is worth more than an average house.

I think if bitcoins do cross $1,000 (which is wild, especially since I never successfully procured any at the price of $89 when it first crashed), they may have to create bitcoin "bits".
 

PottedMeat

Lifer
Apr 17, 2002
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I'm fairly certain you were being sarcastic. Thats too bad, because you would be about $30,000 richer if you actually did that.

100 bitcoins cost $120 each back in May, when you made your post, or $12,000. No small chunk of change.

Today those 100 bitcoins are worth $43,200.

This is kinda fun. I hope this thread is still around in 10 years, when a single bitcoin is worth more than an average house.

how quickly can you turn this into usable cash?
 

AViking

Platinum Member
Sep 12, 2013
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It never ceases to amaze me how stupid people are.

MUST BUY HOUSE! GOING UP 20% EVERY YEAR!

MUST BUY TECH STOCKS! GOING UP 300% EVERY YEAR!

GOLD GOLD GOLD! MUST BUY GOLD!!

And now we have virtual currency...
 

PliotronX

Diamond Member
Oct 17, 1999
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I did a quick read of it, but basically it's a decentralized currency and... why does a client take half a day to synchronize with the network? If I had to wait a day to look at my checking account... also how the heck does mining work? Do you have to join a team who is likely to jack your stuff or what?
 

chihlidog

Senior member
Apr 12, 2011
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I did a quick read of it, but basically it's a decentralized currency and... why does a client take half a day to synchronize with the network? If I had to wait a day to look at my checking account... also how the heck does mining work? Do you have to join a team who is likely to jack your stuff or what?

Once youre caught up you dont have to wait that long anymore. Youre catching up on every transaction that has taken place up until now. Once you catch up, its only slightly delayed.

You dont have to join a team to mine, and as far as Im aware no mining team has ever "jacked" any coins. THey could refuse to pay out I suppose, but taking what you already have would be impossible for them. Reputable pools are reliable.

You CAN mine by yourself, but it's basically like playing the lottery, you'll spend electricity and your GPU's power mining just HOPING you hit a block. IF you do, you'll get 50 BTC and of course right now that's worth near 10 grand, but you'd have to be incredibly lucky to do so.

Having said that, the days of mining with a home rig are basically over. Difficulty is too high. Even with a pool, the payouts just arent worth it.
 

PliotronX

Diamond Member
Oct 17, 1999
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Once youre caught up you dont have to wait that long anymore. Youre catching up on every transaction that has taken place up until now. Once you catch up, its only slightly delayed.

You dont have to join a team to mine, and as far as Im aware no mining team has ever "jacked" any coins. THey could refuse to pay out I suppose, but taking what you already have would be impossible for them. Reputable pools are reliable.

You CAN mine by yourself, but it's basically like playing the lottery, you'll spend electricity and your GPU's power mining just HOPING you hit a block. IF you do, you'll get 50 BTC and of course right now that's worth near 10 grand, but you'd have to be incredibly lucky to do so.

Having said that, the days of mining with a home rig are basically over. Difficulty is too high. Even with a pool, the payouts just arent worth it.
Damn, thanks. Sounds like it's going to collapse on itself as far as mining goes because even a server farm with ASIC's will be inadequate pretty soon. As a virtual currency though, it might have some use.
 

chihlidog

Senior member
Apr 12, 2011
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Damn, thanks. Sounds like it's going to collapse on itself as far as mining goes because even a server farm with ASIC's will be inadequate pretty soon. As a virtual currency though, it might have some use.

Never know though really. I never would have thought that one BTC would be worth $450. I sold 10 coins for like $8 each cause I thought that's as high as we'd ever see them. I have .4 BTC leftover from like 2 years ago. Seeing it worth $200 is fascinating. I'm kicking myself for not mining more and holding onto them. I mined with my 5850 and had an additional 5830 for a week or so, I got rid of that because I didnt like the temps in my case. Just for using my existing hardware and a cheap $90 (at the time) card, I could have made 4 grand by holding on to them :-/

They could crash, sure, but there are also some pretty smart people who really think a single bitcoin will be worth a TON of money someday. Who knows. It may end up being worth it to mine with the new ASIC rigs, but it's a gamble.

My thoughts were always, well, I like AMD cards anyway, and I'll always have on in my rig, so may as well at least try since I already am going to own the hardware. I personally wouldnt put money into an ASIC rig but that's just me, I cant afford the risk.
 

PliotronX

Diamond Member
Oct 17, 1999
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Never know though really. I never would have thought that one BTC would be worth $450. I sold 10 coins for like $8 each cause I thought that's as high as we'd ever see them. I have .4 BTC leftover from like 2 years ago. Seeing it worth $200 is fascinating. I'm kicking myself for not mining more and holding onto them. I mined with my 5850 and had an additional 5830 for a week or so, I got rid of that because I didnt like the temps in my case. Just for using my existing hardware and a cheap $90 (at the time) card, I could have made 4 grand by holding on to them :-/

They could crash, sure, but there are also some pretty smart people who really think a single bitcoin will be worth a TON of money someday. Who knows. It may end up being worth it to mine with the new ASIC rigs, but it's a gamble.

My thoughts were always, well, I like AMD cards anyway, and I'll always have on in my rig, so may as well at least try since I already am going to own the hardware. I personally wouldnt put money into an ASIC rig but that's just me, I cant afford the risk.
That's interesting, well I'd rather have my computer hit the lottery than fill out paper every time only to see it's a loser. Is there anything to lose by just letting it run?
 

chihlidog

Senior member
Apr 12, 2011
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That's interesting, well I'd rather have my computer hit the lottery than fill out paper every time only to see it's a loser. Is there anything to lose by just letting it run?

Nope. Only electricity and wear and tear on your hardware. And excess heat. So expect now that winter's here a lot more people to be firing up rigs, possibly increasing the difficulty.
 

Crusty

Lifer
Sep 30, 2001
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That's interesting, well I'd rather have my computer hit the lottery than fill out paper every time only to see it's a loser. Is there anything to lose by just letting it run?

Electricity and wear.

If you mine on your GPU you can expect it to run at near 100% utilization. That generates a lot of heat and pulls a lot of power.
 

PliotronX

Diamond Member
Oct 17, 1999
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Dang, I wouldn't want my already iffy 7850 to crap out. Is it possible to seamlessly switch between the GPU and CPU (at the expense of computing but just to keep it running)?
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Dang, I wouldn't want my already iffy 7850 to crap out. Is it possible to seamlessly switch between the GPU and CPU (at the expense of computing but just to keep it running)?

If I were to do something like that, I'd run the cpu full time, and have a script cycle the gpu on and off. You might be able to throttle the gpu also, but I don't really follow the tech. Really though, I'd just run it full bore, and assume I'll need a new gpu sooner than later. You could also mod the heatsinks for greater heat dispersion.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Never know though really. I never would have thought that one BTC would be worth $450. I sold 10 coins for like $8 each cause I thought that's as high as we'd ever see them. I have .4 BTC leftover from like 2 years ago. Seeing it worth $200 is fascinating. I'm kicking myself for not mining more and holding onto them. I mined with my 5850 and had an additional 5830 for a week or so, I got rid of that because I didnt like the temps in my case. Just for using my existing hardware and a cheap $90 (at the time) card, I could have made 4 grand by holding on to them :-/

They could crash, sure, but there are also some pretty smart people who really think a single bitcoin will be worth a TON of money someday. Who knows. It may end up being worth it to mine with the new ASIC rigs, but it's a gamble.

My thoughts were always, well, I like AMD cards anyway, and I'll always have on in my rig, so may as well at least try since I already am going to own the hardware. I personally wouldnt put money into an ASIC rig but that's just me, I cant afford the risk.

Your 10 bitcoins would be worth $6000 today!
 

chihlidog

Senior member
Apr 12, 2011
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Your 10 bitcoins would be worth $6000 today!

Tell me about it. Actually, it broke $900 on Gox a bit ago. So I could have cashed in at 9 grand.

Given today's hearing, I think it will continue to rise over time. I'm holding on to what i have.
 

Chiropteran

Diamond Member
Nov 14, 2003
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how quickly can you turn this into usable cash?

You can turn it into a giftcard through the gyft app basically instantly, maybe 15-20 minutes for the transaction on a slow day.

You can turn it into real cash in your bank account through an exchange, which the process itself only takes an hour or so but transferring the money might take a couple business days, but you need to be verified at the exchange first which make take as long as week or two depending.
 

chihlidog

Senior member
Apr 12, 2011
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hey guys will my old radeon 5450's be able to mine this stuff or is it way to slow?

Anything less than a full ASIC rig will be too slow now to be profitable. But you COULD mine with your old cards. You'll see basically nothing for it, but you can mine.
 
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