Vishera Review Up - Anandtech

[hokies83]

True, but it also makes it harder to believe you won't provide a heavily biased opinion :awe:

It would be like asking Chris, our resident Intel rep, what he'd say regarding the discrete GPU market. At least from Chris I'd expect an honest and unbiased answer even if I did ask him, but you...

well...



Judging from the reviews I've read, they need some very aggressive cooling, and even with it the chips hover around that 70C mark at a relatively modest overclock of ~4.6ghz.

The temperature kicks up quite quickly and it wouldn't surprise me if it were from the lack of some dark silicon. Maybe AMD should make some 3-module APUs

I am un bias as they come..

Here is an Example of what i think of HD7000 Series vs Nvidia's 600 Series.

Nvidia has failed Hard with this Generation Locking voltages Crippling it's cards with 256 bit memory Bus And over charging for them Onlything winning at is power draw.. When it comes to Gaming and Gpu's a real gamer will not care about power draw but raw performance.. Amd takes the this Generation and there is no arguing it.

Winning not only in raw performance But winning at cost to we really have to take our hats off to Amd/Ati this generation they have done great and i can not argue with the facts.

But on the Cpu front Amd is Miles behind.
But Cause the Gtx 680 wins at afew games does not make it equal to the performance of the HD7000 series Same thing with the Cpu's Amd wins afew benchmarks but is almost getting completely Destroyed in the rest clock for clock.


Amd/Ati

 

[pelov]

Here is an Example of what i think of HD7000 Series vs Nvidia's 600 Series.

Nvidia has failed Hard with this Generation Locking voltages Crippling it's cards with 256 bit memory Bus And over charging for them Onlything winning at is power draw.. When it comes to Gaming and Gpu's a real gamer will not care about power draw but raw performance.. Amd takes the this Generation and there is no arguing it.

Winning not only in raw performance But winning at cost to we really have to take our hats off to Amd/Ati this generation they have done great and i can not argue with the facts.

You know what's really crazy?

AMD now has the better drivers as well.

 

[hokies83]

You know what's really crazy?

AMD now has the better drivers as well.

Better performance drivers yes i still think Nvidia has less buggy drivers.

If the 8350 offered good performance i would be first in line at the Newegg check out.. The Simple fact is it is only good upgrade for those who already have AM3+.

If your building a New system as a main system you should stir clear from it and go with Intel.

Im not a fan of any Brand i have owned and tried 7970s and had driver issues.

I owned Amd x2 64s back when they were king.. Amd thunderbird amd Durons etc.. Back then performance was Close and Amd was a great option.

Amd's Apu's are great and i see Amd doing well there.. if i was in the market for one i would look hard at them.. But the desktop Cpu market there just not cutting it.

 

[Rvenger]

I am un bias as they come..

...And that is what Balla has been preaching around himself. I am not accusing you of being biased but if you are a hardware rep, you shouldn't be bashing other companies, period. Since AMD does own ATi, just saying.

Being a hardware rep (Trust me, I know because I used to be one for MSI) its best to stay neutral in all situations. I am not saying that you cannot recommend intel, but don't be spreading around "Fail AMD" pictures because that could get you in trouble, especially if Galaxy is watching over you.

 

[pelov]

If the 8350 offered good performance i would be first in line at the Newegg check out.. The Simple fact is it is only good upgrade for those who already have AM3+.

If your building a New system as a main system you should stir clear from it and go with Intel.

Definitely. If you're not looking to spend <$200 on a CPU, though, AMD has a 3-module part that's probably the best CPU to buy.

If you're looking at the 8350 as a gaming CPU, you're looking in the wrong place, imo. It's definitely more of a productivity-related chip than an enthusiast class gaming CPU. What this Vishera release has done, though, is give AMD the crown again in the budget segment. The 2 and 3 module parts look like pretty good buys.

 

[Ketchup]

Judging from the reviews I've read, they need some very aggressive cooling, and even with it the chips hover around that 70C mark at a relatively modest overclock of ~4.6ghz.

So, this is possibly the AMD version of a Core 2 Quad?

Quick, somebody tell tweakboy about this!

 

[AtenRa]

Wow u point out a cpl of token aps.. BD could do that to .. Heck i could post afew token aps of a duel core beating a 2600k to...

You do realize that he only used Cinebench 11.5 and POV-Ray in his review. He only used two(2) real applications, in those two apps the AMD FX8350 was faster than Intels Core i5 3750K at default clocks or OCed, and yet he concluded that the Intel CPU destroys the FX8350.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_vishera_fx8350_piledriver_review/6

He is BIASED and you are two times BIASED(mildly speaking) because you watch his Video without even understanding what the moron talks about.

 

[AtenRa]

Just for the thrill of it,

AMD FX-8350 Cracks 8 GHz Frequency Barrier With All Cores Enabled

 

[hokies83]

You do realize that he only used Cinebench 11.5 and POV-Ray in his review. He only used two(2) real applications, in those two apps the AMD FX8350 was faster than Intels Core i5 3750K at default clocks or OCed, and yet he concluded that the Intel CPU destroys the FX8350.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_vishera_fx8350_piledriver_review/6

He is BIASED and you are two times BIASED(mildly speaking) because you watch his Video without even understanding what the moron talks about.

His findings Just show what the other 25 reviewers are showing.

And here is a real bench of a 5ghz 8350vs a 5ghz 3770k

 

[AtenRa]

His findings Just show what the other 25 reviewers are showing.

Yes, that FX8350 is FASTER than Core i5 3570K, but

That's not what his conclusion states

And here is a real bench of a 5ghz 8350vs a 5ghz 3770k

~16% faster costing ~50% more(in a heavily Intel Optimized app), thank you :whiste:

 

[hokies83]

Yes, that FX8350 is FASTER than Core i5 3570K, but

That's not what his conclusion states



~16% faster costing ~50% more(in a heavily Intel Optimized app), thank you :whiste:

Guess you donno How Cinebench works...

The 5ghz score of that 8350 is about the score of a 4.3ghz 3770k 1.4 in cinebench is quite Huge..

And the 3570k Clock for clock destroys a 3850 i donno where u get that info from.

All the reviewers who have done it have confirmed it.

1.4 is about the diff between a 5ghz 3770k and a 16 threaded Xeon 5590 Roughly twice a 3770k... and in threaded apps the xeon Utterly destroys the 3770k so a % number in Cinebench does not work.

 

[AtenRa]

All the reviewers who have done it have confirmed it.

show me a single review, post the link here(except overclock3d.net)

1.4 is about the diff between a 5ghz 3770k and a 16 threaded Xeon 5590 Roughly twice a 3770k... and in threaded apps the xeon Utterly destroys the 3770k so a % number in Cinebench does not work.

And yet, it still costs ~50% more than the FX8350

 

[inf64]

It's just 16% faster in Cinebench MT code... And costs 50% more. 10.06/8.66=1.16 or 16% more.
In real world application workloads it's around 6% faster (stock vs stock):

 

[hokies83]

It's just 16% faster in Cinebench MT code... And costs 50% more. 10.06/8.66=1.16 or 16% more.
In real world application workloads it's around 6% faster (stock vs stock):

I only count clock for clock not 3.8ghz vs 4.2ghz Cause both chips seem to over clock to the same limits.

 

[hokies83]

show me a single review, post the link here(except overclock3d.net)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/t...-fx4300-tested

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...view,3328.html

http://www.pcgamer.com/review/amd-fx-8350-review/

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/amd_fx8350/

http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...driver_Review/

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-F...eview/?page=10

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/proce.../amd-fx-8350/2

http://techreport.com/review/23750/a...essor-reviewed

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2055/1/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...d-fx-8350.html

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=962&Itemid=63

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...a-arrives.html

http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-...formula-z-rog/

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages..._review,1.html

http://www.bjorn3d.com/2012/10/amd-f.../#.UIZJdcXA95Y

http://www.overclockers.com/amd-fx-8...ver-cpu-review

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...-r2-review/22/

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...roduction.html

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/...312-amd-fx8350

http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...d_fx_6300.html

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...zer-fell-short

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46...iledriver-cpu/

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-fx-8...nce/17494.html

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/...c_overclocking

And yet, it still costs ~50 more than the FX8350

Well damn if you look at it like that i need to go over to the Intel Server forums and troll and tell them how my 5ghz 3770k is only 16% slower then there flag ship cpu and cost 3000$ less.... lol

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/t...-fx4300-tested

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...view,3328.html

http://www.pcgamer.com/review/amd-fx-8350-review/

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/amd_fx8350/

http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...driver_Review/

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-F...eview/?page=10

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/proce.../amd-fx-8350/2

http://techreport.com/review/23750/a...essor-reviewed

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2055/1/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...d-fx-8350.html

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=962&Itemid=63

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...a-arrives.html

http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-...formula-z-rog/

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages..._review,1.html

http://www.bjorn3d.com/2012/10/amd-f.../#.UIZJdcXA95Y

http://www.overclockers.com/amd-fx-8...ver-cpu-review

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...-r2-review/22/

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...roduction.html

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/...312-amd-fx8350

http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...d_fx_6300.html

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...zer-fell-short

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46...iledriver-cpu/

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-fx-8...nce/17494.html

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/...c_overclocking

Well damn if you look at it like that i need to go over to the Intel Server forums and troll and tell them how my 5ghz 3770k is only 16% slower then there flag ship cpu and cost 3000$ less.... lol

Now i know you are Trolling,

All those reviews showing the FX8350 spanking the Core i5 3570K in the majority of real life applications.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Majority? Oh please, stop the lame BS for once. Its the exact rerun after BD.

 

[hokies83]

Now i know you are Trolling,

All those reviews showing the FX8350 spanking the Core i5 3570K in the majority of real life applications.

You know a 3570k is stock 3.4ghz and the 8350 4ghz?

600 Mhz gap.. Both overclocking limits are almost the same.

Even with a 600mhz gap the 3570k beat sthe 8350 in some threaded aps and destroys it in single threaded and gaming.

When they are clocked to the Same levels the 3570k starts beating the 8350 in some of those multi threaded Aps.

And does it for the same money at 27% less power use. it is a Pure Victory.

 

[AtenRa]

Majority? Oh please, stop the lame BS for once.

FX8350 faster than Core i5 3570K

Core i5 3570K faster than FX8350

FX8350 faster than Core i5 3570K

FX8350 faster than Core i5 3570K

FX8350 faster than Core i5 3570K

Core i5 3570K faster than FX8350

Core i5 3570K faster than FX8350

FX8350 faster than Core i5 3570K

FX8350 faster than Core i5 3570K

Out of 9 apps, FX8350 is faster than Core i5 3570K at 6 of them.

 

[hokies83]

heavily multi threaded apps are the only time the AMD is any good.

Every other app the i5 even at stock will decimate the 8350

Then you Overclock the 3570k and it even starts winning at some of them...

It is BD all over again..

 

[AtenRa]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...nrakjYBP006cMz976yaTiy-PNEJVBZeAC1ZFlnoj2jI1g

 

[ShintaiDK]

Out of 9 apps, FX8350 is faster than Core i5 3570K at 6 of them.

You should know that your manipulation doesnt work on me. For gaming only BF3 (MP64) works too, right? ()

And basicly if you want to render, encoding or compress data. Thats where the FX8350 shines? Got it. Just a shame it will suck is basicly everything else you do. Now I dont know about you, but applications tends to be much more than those few cases you like to cherry pick.

Even this is a bad list due to the nature of wanting to benchmark:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/701?vs=697

But really...FX is just a joke for the wast majority. No wonder why AMD is giving up.

 

[frozentundra123456]

You do realize that he only used Cinebench 11.5 and POV-Ray in his review. He only used two(2) real applications, in those two apps the AMD FX8350 was faster than Intels Core i5 3750K at default clocks or OCed, and yet he concluded that the Intel CPU destroys the FX8350.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_vishera_fx8350_piledriver_review/6

He is BIASED and you are two times BIASED(mildly speaking) because you watch his Video without even understanding what the moron talks about.

And you are not biased???? I have never seen a poster try as hard as you to find a reason to recommend AMD. And BTW, I find it ironic that many of those now touting AMD benchmarks in certain workloads because they are competitive or faster were the ones who use to argue than CPU power doesnt matter, and that any modern CPU is "good enough". I guess that excuse can be applied to AMD when it is slower but not to intel.

 

[The Alias]

heavily multi threaded apps are the only time the AMD is any good.

Every other app the i5 even at stock will decimate the 8350

Then you Overclock the 3570k and it even starts winning at some of them...

It is BD all over again..

then that'll require extra money for a good cooler

 

[ShintaiDK]

And you are not biased???? I have never seen a poster try as hard as you to find a reason to recommend AMD. And BTW, I find it ironic that many of those now touting AMD benchmarks in certain workloads because they are competitive or faster were the ones who use to argue than CPU power doesnt matter, and that any modern CPU is "good enough". I guess that excuse can be applied to AMD when it is slower but not to intel.

What did you expect? He even got his own fanboyblog to spread his constant manipulation. Thats dedication for sure.