Vista: Access Denied!

[Job]

This is only a problem for computers with several user profiles, surely? Stash, you seem to be the only person championing UAC - most people consider it a crock of sh*t

Fine if you want to control the actions of other users of your pc

otherwise - get rid of it!!!

 

[Boobers]

No offense to you personally...but that is EXACTLY what I meant earlier by JUNKY FILE SYSTEM!

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: Job
This is only a problem for computers with several user profiles, surely?

No, the number of users on the system is irrelevant. As long as there is a single user using the system as admin, there is a potential for that system to get owned.

Ask any of the people around here who use Linux for their primary systems. I'm sure a lot of them are the only users of those systems, and I can guarantee they don't use root for everyday things. And Linux has a lot fewer threats than a Windows box does.

(I said THREATS, not VULNERABILITES guys )

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: Boobers
No offense to you personally...but that is EXACTLY what I meant earlier by JUNKY FILE SYSTEM!

:disgust:

Wow. Well my time in this thread is done. Glad my help has been appreciated.

 

[Job]

Dude - for someone who works for microsoft you sure make me wanna go Mac......... lol

I seriously cannot cope with working on my PC with UAC turned on - If there was no way to turn it off, I'd be back on XP in a heartbeat

 

[CTho9305]

Is it possible the file is just in use?

 

[Boobers]

The folders contain DVD files which are not in use.

As soon as it acts up again, I'll post the results of the command line function mentioned above...

 

[Job]

check its not read-only

 

[Boobers]

Well...in Vista if you check the folder attributes, you will see a blue box in the "Read-only" check box. So now there are three options for the read-only box:

1. Blue
2. Check
3. Clear (Empty)

If I clear the blue box and click ok, it simply returns when I check it again.
This is built into Vista for my protection (like the Patriot Act)...
I guess this means the file is not read-only, but Vista is protecting it for me.

I hear that read-only applies only to files and not folders...
Anyway, the files themselves are not read-only.

 

[stash]

The read only flag is ignored for permissions. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326549/

This thread is like Groundhog Day, you correct one bit of misinformation and more pops up again.

 

[jkresh]

since it works if you reboot I would try unlocker (I haven't tried it under vista but works really well in xp), it sounds like something is using the files (even if you think they arent in use) as otherwise rebooting shouldnt change anything (unless by reboot you mean boot into an xp partition or change your username).

 

[HannibalX]

I refuse to take the caveman path of command prompt usage

I make it a point not to help people who won't help themselves.

 

[Smilin]

All you had to do was provide a cacls output. Instead you turned into an asshat.

Good Luck!

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: Boobers
The folders contain DVD files which are not in use.

As soon as it acts up again, I'll post the results of the command line function mentioned above...

How do you know it's not something silly like Explorer trying to create a thumbnail image when you view the directory?

 

[Fishy007]

Ok. I didn't read the ENTIRE post, but I think I can confirm that I'm having the same problem as the OP.

I created a few VOB files the other day and once I made my DVD, I tried to delete them. Vista wouldn't let me. I got the exact same error message that the OP mentioned. I am an administrator and I have control over the file...or so it says. I just can't seem to do anything with it. My Vista installation is a fresh install (not upgraded over XP). UAC is off and has been off since Vista was installed.

 

[Bagelmobile]

I found this happening on my storage folder as well. I looked to a week for answer across the internet. I checked the permissions on XP and Vista they were the same.

http://www.bagelmobile.com/vista/accessdenied.png The error I got.

I was fustrated and ready to copy and paste the entire folder in XP to another area in Vista. So a selected every file right clicked then I decided to try screwing around with the permissions instead. So when to properties then security tab hit advanced(keep in mind every file was still selected) and a message box popped basicly saying some files have different permission and if I would like to reset it, I didn't care at this point any more so I went ahead.

Low an behold after that, I could now access ever folder in vista again over the network. This might not work for you but it worked for me.

 

[Boobers]

OK...it happened again. I tried to move a DVD folder (containing a movie) into the "DONE" folder and got the "Destination Folder Access Denied - You need permission to perform this action" pop-up.

Here is the result of "cacls F:\DVD\DONE > output.txt":

F:\DVD\DONE Everyone: (OI)(CI)(ID)F
NT AUTHORITY\Authenticated Users: (OI)(CI)(ID)F
NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM: (OI)(CI)(ID)F
BUILTIN\Administrators: (OI)(CI)(ID)F
BUILTIN\Users: (OI)(CI)(ID)F

By the looks of it, they all have full permissions...

jkresh may be correct... I'm thinking now that some DVD player or re-authoring software may be leaving some files "open", even after the program has closed. This might be why rebooting allows the folders to be moved with no change in permissions. Although, I'd expect there to be some kind of "cannot move file...file open" error instead of a "destination folder" error. I never had this problem with the same software in XP, though.

EDIT: Unlocker says "No Locking Handle Found"...and when I try to force the move it says "The Object Could Not Be Moved. Do you want to perform the requested move operation at next reboot?". I already know I can perform the move myself after rebooting.

 

[JMVL]

Ok Boobers,
I will try to assist some as I have been wrestling with Vista installation issues for the past few weeks during QA testing. I will put some items in perspective first. There were multiple issues upon upgrading from XP. Even as an IT professional, I had to hack the registry at multiple places just so the upgrade did not squawk about programs that were ALREADY REMOVED! I feel sorry for the generic users as I use a crawler to identify all entries at once. If they did it using regedit and F3...good luck Anyway, I decided to do a clean install. I wanted to go 64bit and since there is no upgrade path from 32bit, I started fresh anyway.

So...this leads me to the "Access Denied Issues" discussed in this thread
1.) MS (not M$ --Stash...heh) DOES seem to have file permission issues with Vista on some levels. I have verified issues with copying/modifying/deleting certain filetypes. (i.e.-.dll, .sys and .wal to name a few) I see no rhyme or reason to this as an administrator. The .wal are winamp skin library files for pete's sake!!! --although they are scripted skins but still. I can at least understand the system files and DLL's a little more. I do not believe it has anyting to do with permissions as I was copying from an XP SP2 system with admin rights given to the exact same user credentials as on the Vista Box. I have seen MANY MANY posts already about similar issues on other forums. Most users are either using a 3rd party util (like 4nt etc). I personally used SecCopy as it is similar and ran it from the XP box. The funny thing is even though the 3rd party utils could copy these files, once they got the the Vista box, the same "Access Denied" errors continued.

2.) One thing I did notice which may help some is the distinct difference between a user that "I" create and grant Admin rights to as opposed to the "built-in Admin". There are definite differences that I have not pinpointed exact settings for yet. Let me explain... With UAC on etc the built-in Admin account does not get any prompts at all for install and has less issues with copying/deleting files. Even as full owner of a created folder, some files just could not be deleted as the admin that I created but could under the built-in Admin.

My assumptions at this point:
1.) MS has locked down security levels on certain filetypes...maybe in registry although I did not see it there or in local policy at a quick glance??? ---causing access denied errors
2.) There are more settings to make a created "Admin" account a true full administrator.
3.) Some 3rd party tools have no issues when copying to a Vista PC

-My 2c
JMVL

"Committed to Vista 64-bit but only about 80% satisfied at present"

 

[juktar]

I had 1 issue the other day with a file permission. I took ownership of the file and everything went away. I had full permissions, but system was the owner of the file.

 

[footballcoach]

I'm having the same problem and have not changed any file permissions on either PC.

Source PC = WinXP
Destination PC = Vista Ultimate 32

I am trying to copy a folder from Shared Documents (i.e. Public) on my WinXP PC to my own "Downloads" folder on Vista. Some of the files copy and then I get a lot of "Destination Folder Access Denied" with different kinds of files about 25% into the transfer. This occurs with a PDF file, an ISO, file and more. However, other files copy just fine until I get to this point.

I have also simply tried to copy from Shared Documents (again on my WinXP PC) to my Public\Downloads folder on my Vista PC. Same thing occurs. Yes, I am an administrator on both PCs and my username is the same on each PC. I am using a Workgroup since I am at home (no domain).

I'm getting very frustrated...I've tried with UAC both ON and OFF (and reboots in between). Same result. Why is this so damn difficult? I know what files I want to copy. I never had this problem in WinXP...can anyone explain why this is happening and how to fix it? I wish Vista would get out of the way and let me copy my files!

Thanks,

-footballcoach

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: Job
I seriously cannot cope with working on my PC with UAC turned on - If there was no way to turn it off, I'd be back on XP in a heartbeat

Personally, I'm REALLY GLAD to see that UAC warning. Unfortunately, I run XP as a Local Administrator on my own PC (because of the frequent changes I have to make to my networking settings). That UAC warning is a great reassurance that my desktop PC won't be taken over if I ever make a mistake when browsing the Internet.

 

[Boobers]

There are definately file system problems with Vista. I've done a clean install on a brand new HD using the M$ recommended settings...and the problems persist. With UAC on or off, the ACCESS DENIED message is the same.

Yes, I own the files.
Yes, I have Admin privilages.
Yes, the folders are shared.

I'm sick of this.

BTW, if you rely on UAC to protect your computer, you're setting yourself up for a fall...IMHO. What does the UAC pop-up really tell you? Nothing, really. It only gives you a choice...Yeah or Ney.

When I run the same programs every day it always asks if I want to run them. Stupid really. Why isn't there a check box to select something like "Always allow this program to run"?

 

[oldman420]

this kind of trouble is why I just switched back to XP, I think that it will take a while to get used to Vista which is why I will wait a while to reinstall Vista.

 

[footballcoach]

Originally posted by: oldman420
this kind of trouble is why I just switched back to XP, I think that it will take a while to get used to Vista which is why I will wait a while to reinstall Vista.

I agree with Boobers. This is the most infuriating OS I've ever used and I am an IT professional (and have been for nearly 20 years!). Good thing I spent $200 on "upgrading" to Vista. What a kick in the nuts.

 

[fierydemise]

This is really pretty sad, a number of people (including Microsoft employees) have made a number of posts trying to help you but instead you insist on being belligerent and bashing Vista when this looks to be a case of PEBKAC.