Vista Gaming

[tuteja1986]

http://au.gamespot.com/features/6154735/index.html?q=Vista Game Compatibility testing
"We started testing with the GeForce 7900 GTX but quickly switched over to the Radeon X1900 XT after all the crashing games revealed that Nvidia's Vista drivers weren't quite mature enough for live testing. Note that this isn't indicative of Nvidia's final Vista performance levels. The OS is still over a half year away from launch, which gives Nvidia plenty of time to polish up its drivers."

Anyways Vista has loads of cool feature for gaming I can't wait for its integrated live anywhere... when i use to play BF2/World of Warcraft it was terribly hard for me to organize everyone to meet on server and do some clan group work.

1. Had to get everyone to join a voice of IP server
2. Wait for everyone to turn up
3. Try to locate people on XFIRE playing other game and forgetting about the clan raid ;(

With Windows Live anywhere i can see what the hell every one on buddy list is doing like playing a game and i can send them a voice/text message with Chat invited to my text/VOIP created server. They would get the message even if they were playing games or what ever they were doing on computer. They join up by a press of a button to the chat room ? they could chat on the headset without crashing game and play while they chat.

It sort of works like in XBOX live but anyways it makes life alot easier if you run a clan

 

[Pantalaimon]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor


ATi's PR team are still happily inhabiting the sewers I see...

As long as Rollo is still in in NVIDIA's little focus group, I think criticizing ATI for having a similar set up is hypocrisy at its best.

 

[Gstanfor]

Except that I wasn't criticizing ATi's focus group in this thread - in fact I never mentioned it. I specifically mentioned ATi's PR team. The two are quite distinct unless you are trying to tell me that ATi's focus group members also write the companies press releases (although now I think about it, that would certainly explain a lot...)

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Excuse me Josh, but this thread was all about the linked article which was all about ATi's PR claim. I merely posted some of the conclusions the article drew after investigation...

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by: LegitReviews
The purpose of this article was to see how the drivers from ATI and NVIDIA are doing and they are coming along.

I find it amusing that you try and twist everything into an ATI PR fiasco when the review was centered on drivers from both ATI and Nvidia as well as their performances with Vista.

Oh, and you've been blocked in my PM's well before my message was sent, rest assured of that...

I wouldn't expect a troll such as yourself to allow private discussions of unrelated material. You prefer to do that in other people's threads.

The claim that you have been blocking my PM's for a period of time doesn't detract from the fact that it is childish to send an insulting PM without the capability to respond and discuss the material. I would expect similar behavior from a disgruntled school girl who slaps a boy only to cower in the girls restroom.

 

[JPB]

When Vista is released, I think it will be fine for gaming. I remember back in the day, when XP became released, people said XP stood for Xtra Problems. LoL

 

[Pantalaimon]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Except that I wasn't criticizing ATi's focus group in this thread - in fact I never mentioned it. I specifically mentioned ATi's PR team. The two are quite distinct unless you are trying to tell me that ATi's focus group members also write the companies press releases (although now I think about it, that would certainly explain a lot...)

PR Team, focus group, same thing to me. They both try to put a positive spin on the company they represent and negative on the other. You implied that AEG team is some paragon of virtue excluding Rollo, but guess what. He is part of that little group and that alone is enough to put AEG lower than the gutter in my eyes. Not that AEG by itself or others of its ilk are not sleazy anyway.

 

[CrystalBay]

I just installed and ran FEAR Extraction Point demo, on VistaRC1 with the nV drivers that came with it. It ran really very good, I was very surprised...

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
I just installed and ran FEAR Extraction Point demo, on VistaRC1 with the nV drivers that came with it. It ran really very good, I was very surprised...

How would you say it ran compared to XP? Any noticable differences in frames?

 

[imported_Bleh]

Ive played bf2 on vista and compared to xp it might get a few fps less but for some reason it seems like its always a steady fps unlike xp which will tend to fluctuate.

 

[CrystalBay]

I used the auto detected settings for my setup, 10x7, 0aa, 4 af , max graphics except soft shadows. I felt like it played as good as XP, The auto detect put it at 4xaf instead of 8xaf in FEAR. I was frapping it at 30-70 fps . There seems to be a more breakable environment than FEAR, more particles and wall destruction. I tried 2xAA and it really started to choke bad though.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Except that I wasn't criticizing ATi's focus group in this thread - in fact I never mentioned it. I specifically mentioned ATi's PR team. The two are quite distinct unless you are trying to tell me that ATi's focus group members also write the companies press releases (although now I think about it, that would certainly explain a lot...)

PR Team, focus group, same thing to me. They both try to put a positive spin on the company they represent and negative on the other. You implied that AEG team is some paragon of virtue excluding Rollo, but guess what. He is part of that little group and that alone is enough to put AEG lower than the gutter in my eyes. Not that AEG by itself or others of its ilk are not sleazy anyway.

You are dead wrong about Rollo still being part of the AEG focus group (regardless of what his B3D sig may claim) - the following quote is from a PM i recieved from him @ nvnews a fair while back.

(Rollo) I'm no longer associated with AEG, but am still with nVidia, these days I only post if see something inaccurate being posted. (and occasionally if I have an opinion on something, or an answer for someone)

BTW, I'm still waiting for anyone to post anything derogatory or sleazy from any of the other AEG members... I'll keep waiting, but once again, I won't be holding my breath...

 

[josh6079]

Stop trolling.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: m21s

Originally posted by: wizboy11
Didn't the Crytek (sp?) team say that Crysis would run better on Vista even if both Windows XP and Windows Vista were both running DX9 because of overhead and some other junk?

Also the second post is right. Drivers must mature, etc.....

Yes they did say that.
Crysis will in fact run better on Vista.

Crysis was built from the ground up to run on Vista. Heck, it was supposed to only support Vista for awhile, until the delays were announced maybe a year ago?

Almost everything else seems to run poorly at this point.


It's true, XP was similar, but XP at least used a cross-compatible DirectX at launch (DX9 works on both Windows 2000 and XP).

With DX10 and Vista's never-ending delays, it seems realistic that we're a year off (at least) to expect a bug-free Vista gaming experience.

This Christmas, many of us will be enjoying Crysis on our Windows XP boxes. Who knows what time Vista will be ready to show us what Crysis looks like in DX10.

------------

The guy from Crytek did say Crysis will run better on Vista, and gave some reason, but from the beta I tried, Vista is a RAM pig. I mean, it requires a gig of RAM for the full aero glass-infused OS for god's sakes.

I hope Vista has a damn good thread scheduler to take advantage of dual and quad core systems - something to differentiate it from XP. Because otherwise I don't see how Vista is going to be such a smooth experience unless you're running absolutely cutting edge hardware (which is ridiculous considering it's an OS, not a friggin game!).

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Stop trolling.

Take your own advice! it was ***you***, not I, that dragged AEG into this thread in the first place!

 

[jkyle]

I think Vista will be fine by release its the game vendors that worry me. As with XP its going to be pot luck on stuff working. If they release a patch for vista it will work if not then =/ As for my personal expierence its not real pretty yet.

Madden 2k7 - Seem to install after all kinds of funky screens but no multiplayer due to a flash? problem.
Civ 4 - Wont install DirectX 9 error message.

Pretty much gave up after those 2 since the only other 2 I play at the moment are AOE3 and Quake 4.

But by the actual launch time. Being vista compatible will be a feature for new games and the bigger recent releases I am sure will be patched.

Also due to the utter lack of faith of Directx 10 being much of a factor for the next 6 months It was excuse enough for me to go ahead and order a x1950xtx

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: josh6079

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by: LegitReviews
The purpose of this article was to see how the drivers from ATI and NVIDIA are doing and they are coming along.

No, Josh it's What are you talking about?!?

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/385/1/

Last week ATI sent out a press release claiming that ATI is ready for Microsoft Windows Vista with their latest Catalyst drivers, which is a pretty bold statement as Vista is still the primary release candidate. Legit Reviews likes to stay far and clear of pre-production operating systems, but when the hardware companies we work with are making claims in press releases it means that LR has to take a look and see how legit these claims are.

You sure do get a kick out of being dead wrong and hopelessly confused, dont you?

 

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/385/1/

Yikes, gamers may not want to upgrade.

No one should want to upgrade, this is a resource hog, and when you click "I Agree" the EULA, Micro$oft own your butt, your first born, and your computer. Don't believe me, READ the EULA, though you may need a lawyer or paralegal's help.

I running Vista RC1 on a "test bench" PC, and I will not consider installing it on a live machine.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: josh6079

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by: LegitReviews
The purpose of this article was to see how the drivers from ATI and NVIDIA are doing and they are coming along.

No, Josh it's What are you talking about?!?

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/385/1/

Last week ATI sent out a press release claiming that ATI is ready for Microsoft Windows Vista with their latest Catalyst drivers, which is a pretty bold statement as Vista is still the primary release candidate. Legit Reviews likes to stay far and clear of pre-production operating systems, but when the hardware companies we work with are making claims in press releases it means that LR has to take a look and see how legit these claims are.

You sure do get a kick out of being dead wrong and hopelessly confused, dont you?

The press release instigated it, but that was not the purpose of the article itself like you suggested. They even told us what the purpose of the article was in their review and I showed it to you in bold. It wasn't to "prove ATI's PR wrong" but to see where the drivers were in terms of performance on both fronts, whether it meant proving the press release wrong or not.

 

[Pantalaimon]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

You are dead wrong about Rollo still being part of the AEG focus group (regardless of what his B3D sig may claim) - the following quote is from a PM i recieved from him @ nvnews a fair while back.

(Rollo) I'm no longer associated with AEG, but am still with nVidia, these days I only post if see something inaccurate being posted. (and occasionally if I have an opinion on something, or an answer for someone)

I see. So NVIDIA liked Rollo's style so much that they cut out the middle man. Nice going NVIDIA. And didn't he also claim he's not part of AEG to some people here, except it turned out he was, back when the whole AEG thing came out?

 

[Gstanfor]

josh, what part of

when the hardware companies we work with are making claims in press releases it means that LR has to take a look and see how legit these claims are

dont you understand?

Pantalaimon, the rollo quote was well after the AEG incident here at anandtech and was around the time that ATi's focus group was ousted from its closet IIRC...

You may also want to read what Rollo said carefully. Rollo had nvidia connections before AEG was ever dreamed up, and he still has and maintains those connections (its how he muscled his way into AEG in the first place).

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
josh, what part of

when the hardware companies we work with are making claims in press releases it means that LR has to take a look and see how legit these claims are

dont you understand?

I understand every bit of it. The press release gave them a reason to do it, measuring the performances in Vista gaming was the purpose. You claiming that the article was "all about ATI's PR claim" instead of the performance that followed the claim is your attempt to spin the concentration on the press release's lie instead of the performance of the drivers.

I'm not doubting that the PR was false and that they were wrong for saying it was shippable support though. I'm simply stating that the press is wrong time and time again and it happens in almost every kind of hardware. No enthusiast should truly believe everything that a company says about itself since they will try to make themselves appear like the best choice. It's not just ATI's PR team that are "inhabiting the sewers", it is nearly all hardware press release teams.

 

[Gstanfor]

What you say is correct in principle, however, my point with ATi PR has always been and remains, that their PR is *consistently* sewer level, and that is not something you can say of most other companies. I'm also not the only person to have noticed this trend develop or articles like this one wouldn't be necessary.

 

[Pantalaimon]

Pantalaimon, the rollo quote was well after the AEG incident here at anandtech and was around the time that ATi's focus group was ousted from its closet IIRC...

It doesn't matter to me when he replied. My point is that his credibility doesn't rank very high with me after that AEG thing.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
What you say is correct in principle, however, my point with ATi PR has always been and remains, that their PR is *consistently* sewer level, and that is not something you can say of most other companies. I'm also not the only person to have noticed this trend develop or articles like this one wouldn't be necessary.

Fair enough. Although I can't, since what I buy represents different parts of the market than what say you buy or the average Joe buys or the overkill extremist buys etc., claim that any PR team is worse than the other since I do not know of all of them. I do come across slanted statements all of the time concerning hardware advertising--minor technicalities that are thrown around and held as pillars to a somewhat mediocre product only to be identified as the "greatest and the latest" by the non-enthusiast consumer. You have probably seen it as much as I have, customers falling for con acts constructed by, if not the manufacturer's PR team--a retailers PR team. I will agree with you that ATI was wrong unless we later find out legitreviews made a mistake (which I hightly doubt they did). However, lets not let this bickering get into the way of a discussion about the possibilites that Vista may bring. I'm sure both of us are somewhat interested in some of the performance increases--as well as potential decreases--that may be attributed to the upcoming OS.

 

[Gstanfor]

Well, gaming is going to have to be special on Vista, since gaming is all that is keeping Microsoft alive for home computing. For everything else, from the OS on up there are freeware alternatives that are just as good as or superior to Microsoft's offerings. The only thing they have left that the competition doesn't is DirectX (ever wonder why all the games released nowadays are DirectX based? - it has nothing to do with DirectX's advantages over OpenGL ...)