Vista ( Poll inside )

[fierydemise]

I vote, running fine for me so far

 

[nerp]

Problem free since the day of release on 3 different machines for me! One is a gaming box, another is a workhorse workstation and another is a highly mobile laptop.

 

[corkyg]

Been running Ultimate for almost a month now - never a hiccup with over 40 programs installed and all network functions active.

 

[Aberforth]

this thread is pointless. Can you give me the list of list of Top 10 bugs in Vista? or Maybe you need this

 

[Wellsoul2]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
this thread is pointless. Can you give me the list of list of Top 10 bugs in Vista? or Maybe you need this

I agree..it's not bugs but hardware/software incompatability.

My big problem with Vista right now is getting my Home theatre PC to work well.

Vista totally craps out my Audigy ZS to basic sound and partially cripples my
dual tuner and my 1900XT.

I dual boot and XP is perfect..Vista is not yet there.
I use alot of sound programs and they just don't work/sound the way I want.
Also it may be me but I can't get CCC to adjust my LCD TV right either.
In XP I can tweak both my tv and the video card for optimal picture.

Am I crazy to think that a modern operating system manufacturer should work with
sound and video vendors to assure that their operating system works BETTER
for sound and audio?

Oh sorry..I forgot..we are supposed to throw away our expensive sound and audio
hardware and buy OEM black box media centers..with DRM control.

Vista may be a programmer's dream but what I care about is functionality.

I'm dying to actually use it everyday but if it cripples/looks worse than XP what is
the point? Shall I go out and buy compatible hardware to gamble on getting the
same experience I get with XP now?

Is it a bug if you can't get better than what you have with XP? I'd say so.
I'd even dare say you cannot get comparable sound/home theatre functionality
at any price yet with Vista. When you can you will pay alot.

I installed Vista..big WOW...WOW..sound sux..video adjustment sux..

As days go by I regret spending $200 (with remote) for this piece of crap that was
designed to be multimedia but is not ready for home theatre.

 

[harobikes333]

i bought visa

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Wellsoul2

Originally posted by: Aberforth
this thread is pointless. Can you give me the list of list of Top 10 bugs in Vista? or Maybe you need this

I agree..it's not bugs but hardware/software incompatability.

My big problem with Vista right now is getting my Home theatre PC to work well.

Vista totally craps out my Audigy ZS to basic sound and partially cripples my
dual tuner and my 1900XT.

I dual boot and XP is perfect..Vista is not yet there.
I use alot of sound programs and they just don't work/sound the way I want.
Also it may be me but I can't get CCC to adjust my LCD TV right either.
In XP I can tweak both my tv and the video card for optimal picture.

Am I crazy to think that a modern operating system manufacturer should work with
sound and video vendors to assure that their operating system works BETTER
for sound and audio?

Oh sorry..I forgot..we are supposed to throw away our expensive sound and audio
hardware and buy OEM black box media centers..with DRM control.

Vista may be a programmer's dream but what I care about is functionality.

I'm dying to actually use it everyday but if it cripples/looks worse than XP what is
the point? Shall I go out and buy compatible hardware to gamble on getting the
same experience I get with XP now?

Is it a bug if you can't get better than what you have with XP? I'd say so.
I'd even dare say you cannot get comparable sound/home theatre functionality
at any price yet with Vista. When you can you will pay alot.

I installed Vista..big WOW...WOW..sound sux..video adjustment sux..

As days go by I regret spending $200 (with remote) for this piece of crap that was
designed to be multimedia but is not ready for home theatre.

Interesting post, and good to know in reference to HTPC situations. It seems that a lot of people here just can't STAND someone else having a different opinion about Vista. If you don't love it, then there's obviously something wrong with you! How DARE you have ANYthing negative to say about it? Every single one of those hypocritical bastards has a negative opinion about something else surely, and would feel a bit unpleased at being brow-beaten just for holding those opinions.

Come on guys, if we can't at least agree to disagree and remain respectful, we lose civility, and our forum suffers greatly for it.

I really like a lot of products, really dislike many others, and am indifferent at yet more. Does it matter personally to me whether everyone else on earth (or at least AT forums) shares my views? Hell no. But one thing that DOES piss me the hell off is people getting all uppity with condescending attitudes and insults if you don't share THEIR views.

In short, whether you like Vista or not, grow up and respect each other.

 

[bsobel]

It seems that a lot of people here just can't STAND someone else having a different opinion about Vista. If you don't love it, then there's obviously something wrong with you! How DARE you have ANYthing negative to say about it? Every single one of those hypocritical bastards has a negative opinion about something else surely, and would feel a bit unpleased at being brow-beaten just for holding those opinions.

Perhaps you can point to some threads where this occured. So far, there has been a number of FUD threads about Vista where others showed the statements to be false. Then you have inflamatory threads like this one (bear in mind the OP changed the poll from 'Is Vista the next Windows ME'. When you start with such an obvious bias, it's hard to expect a reasonable conversation to ensue.

I really like a lot of products, really dislike many others, and am indifferent at yet more. Does it matter personally to me whether everyone else on earth (or at least AT forums) shares my views? Hell no. But one thing that DOES piss me the hell off is people getting all uppity with condescending attitudes and insults if you don't share THEIR views.

There are view, opinions, and facts. View and opinions can differ, facts (of infactual information) will continue to be corrected.

Bill

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Interesting post, and good to know in reference to HTPC situations.

That's nice. Now how about my situation that I've posted about several times, in threads that you've posted in, about how straightforward, simple and preferable to XP MCE my Vista HTPC experience has been. I know Shawn and maybe a few others have commented on how good their VMC experience has been. No "interesting post" comments from you there! Perhaps that is why you're seeing what you consider "hypocritical bastards"...it suits your own agenda.

PS, great way to encourage civility, calling people bastards.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: bsobel

It seems that a lot of people here just can't STAND someone else having a different opinion about Vista. If you don't love it, then there's obviously something wrong with you! How DARE you have ANYthing negative to say about it? Every single one of those hypocritical bastards has a negative opinion about something else surely, and would feel a bit unpleased at being brow-beaten just for holding those opinions.

Perhaps you can point to some threads where this occured. So far, there has been a number of FUD threads about Vista where others showed the statements to be false. Then you have inflamatory threads like this one (bear in mind the OP changed the poll from 'Is Vista the next Windows ME'. When you start with such an obvious bias, it's hard to expect a reasonable conversation to ensue.

I really like a lot of products, really dislike many others, and am indifferent at yet more. Does it matter personally to me whether everyone else on earth (or at least AT forums) shares my views? Hell no. But one thing that DOES piss me the hell off is people getting all uppity with condescending attitudes and insults if you don't share THEIR views.

There are view, opinions, and facts. View and opinions can differ, facts (of infactual information) will continue to be corrected.

Bill

Well your very personal sniping in THIS thread is part of it. Rockwell plainly stated that HE did not like Vista, and you took the time to respond with a personally hostile post.

You said "Good for you, and how was that adding anything usefull to the thread? Your simply trolling, keep it up and your visit here might be short."

The fact of the matter is that stating a personal opinion about a piece of software shouldn't be countered by a snide, condescending, arrogant useless response, combined with a veiled threat (your visit here might be short).

YOU, sir, were an ass for no reason at all other than you didn't like his OPINION. He didn't tell anyone else to share it, he merely spoke his mind. You ATTACKED him for that. If anyone needs a vacation, it might be arrogant folks who like to rail off into personal attacks just because they don't share your OPINION.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Interesting post, and good to know in reference to HTPC situations.

That's nice. Now how about my situation that I've posted about several times, in threads that you've posted in, about how straightforward, simple and preferable to XP MCE my Vista HTPC experience has been. No "interesting post" comments from you there! Perhaps that is why you're seeing what you consider "hypocritical bastards"...it suits your own agenda.

PS, great way to encourage civility, calling people bastards.

I'm happy that Vista is working well for you, and I have no agenda per se, other than to share info and gather info with a great community overall. In particular, I am extremely impressed with the knowledge and efforts that Stash puts in here to help with all kinds of issues, particularly Vista ones. This is important to me in my business, as it's my job to support customers using Vista or not.

The problem that I'm seeing, is that the whole business is becoming an us-vs-them mentality. You saw my post above, and automatically felt that you were being called a 'hyprocritical bastard'. Why was that? Have YOU personally attacked someone just for not sharing YOUR opinion and experience. If not, then I DID NOT call you a hypocritical bastard!

 

[bsobel]

Well your very personal sniping in THIS thread is part of it. Rockwell plainly stated that HE did not like Vista, and you took the time to respond with a personally hostile post.

His *entire* post said 'Vista... *quivers*' How is that adding any usefull information to this thread? It's not.

The fact of the matter is that stating a personal opinion about a piece of software shouldn't be countered by a snide, condescending, arrogant useless response, combined with a veiled threat (your visit here might be short).

He didn't state an opinion, he was a brand new user who came into a Vista bashing thread and added a post with no content. If that is the quality of his overall posts, he won't be posting here.

YOU, sir, were an ass for no reason at all other than you didn't like his OPINION. He didn't tell anyone else to share it, he merely spoke his mind. You ATTACKED him for that. If anyone needs a vacation, it might be arrogant folks who like to rail off into personal attacks just because they don't share your OPINION.

I suggest you reign in the name calling. Second, you have no idea what my 'opinion' is, so you've yet to show how he agrees or disagrees with it.

Bill

 

[Smilin]

If someone shows you an opinion by sticking up their middle finger would you expect others to naturally take issue with it?

You're certainly entitled to whatever your opinion may be but others with the opposite view are entitled to theirs. In this example someone is clearly being rude and the responsive are likely to be similar. Just because something is flagged as "just someone's opinion" doesn't automatically wash it of the possibility of being snide, condescending, arrogant etc.

Seriously though the Vista rants are getting old and don't really produce anything positive for AT. Every one of em that I've seen has been ripped up when the facts start getting presented. I'm glad everyone has a place to express their opinions. It's just getting pretty tiresome and I would rather be here helping people than constantly squashing the next batch of FUD.

You won't find many OSX or Linux rant/troll threads and when you do you'll never find me participating in them. Same with most of the knowledgable Windows fans.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
You saw my post above, and automatically felt that you were being called a 'hyprocritical bastard'.

No, I didn't and my post doesn't imply that at all. It says that it is in poor taste to encourage civility while calling people names in the same breath. Plus, you continue to do so in your post addressing bsobel!

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: Arkaign
You saw my post above, and automatically felt that you were being called a 'hyprocritical bastard'.

No, I didn't and my post doesn't imply that at all. It says that it is in poor taste to encourage civility while calling people names in the same breath. Plus, you continue to do so in your post addressing bsobel!

True, I apologize to bsobel for calling him an ass, I just thought his reply to Rockwell was a little harsh, considering he didn't insult anyone or ask anyone else to share his very limited perspective on the issue. I could probably copy and paste 100+ posts where someone posted a generic comment like 'Vista working good for me here', or 'I like Vista so far!', and nobody has anything negative to say, even though the anecdotal value of such posts is equal to the one that Bsobel so kindly sniped at in this thread. But if you post anything negative, either opinion or otherwise, regarding Vista, watch out! It's like you called their mother a name or something. So personal!

 

[Smilin]

It's not "if you post anything negative...regarding Vista"
It's just "if you post anything negative".

Who really takes issue with someone's opinion when they present the positives? Go shout "OSX rocks!" and see how many Windows fans start pointing out what a useless post that was. Now shout "OSX sucks!" and see how many OSX (and Windows!) fans point out the uselessness.

I thought bsobels "snipe" was fair enough. Look what it was in response to. He would have done the same if Linux was mentioned instead of Vista (I've seen him do it).

...of course then we have *entire threads* like this one where the whole point is to express some negative opinion. They turn to crap just like this one has.

 

[bsobel]

I could probably copy and paste 100+ posts where someone posted a generic comment like 'Vista working good for me here', or 'I like Vista so far!', and nobody has anything negative to say, even though the anecdotal value of such posts is equal to the one that Bsobel so kindly sniped at in this thread. But if you post anything negative, either opinion or otherwise, regarding Vista, watch out! It's like you called their mother a name or something. So personal!

You make a fair point, however I will point out that this thread didn't start with a 'I'm thinking of getting Vista, do you like it'. It started as a clear troll thread with it's 'Is Vista the next ME' poll.

I don't believe you'll find my response similar in threads where the OP actually asked for an opinion instead of these where he's looking for others to just agree with him. If you think I am answering in that way in other Vista threads, please point them out.

I don't see much further value in this thread, it probably should have been nuked from the get go. Since it wasn't, I think it might be time for it to die. Peace?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: bsobel

I could probably copy and paste 100+ posts where someone posted a generic comment like 'Vista working good for me here', or 'I like Vista so far!', and nobody has anything negative to say, even though the anecdotal value of such posts is equal to the one that Bsobel so kindly sniped at in this thread. But if you post anything negative, either opinion or otherwise, regarding Vista, watch out! It's like you called their mother a name or something. So personal!

You make a fair point, however I will point out that this thread didn't start with a 'I'm thinking of getting Vista, do you like it'. It started as a clear troll thread with it's 'Is Vista the next ME' poll.

I don't believe you'll find my response similar in threads where the OP actually asked for an opinion instead of these where he's looking for others to just agree with him. If you think I am answering in that way in other Vista threads, please point them out.

I don't see much further value in this thread, it probably should have been nuked from the get go. Since it wasn't, I think it might be time for it to die. Peace?

Aye, Peace indeed. I reiterate my apology for my excessively harsh replies earlier. I will acknowledge a tendency to get a little touchy from time to time. I share the feeling that there are too many trollish Anti-Vista threads, and that it gets in the way of the discussions here. In general, the AT forums are a fantastic resource, and full of some very bright and insightful individuals, such as Stash, Smilin, etc.

See you in better threads

 

[Wellsoul2]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Interesting post, and good to know in reference to HTPC situations.

That's nice. Now how about my situation that I've posted about several times, in threads that you've posted in, about how straightforward, simple and preferable to XP MCE my Vista HTPC experience has been. I know Shawn and maybe a few others have commented on how good their VMC experience has been. No "interesting post" comments from you there! Perhaps that is why you're seeing what you consider "hypocritical bastards"...it suits your own agenda.

PS, great way to encourage civility, calling people bastards.

I'd really like to know WHY you prefer Vista over XP for your HTPC.

What sort of hardware do you have that works BETTER with Vista?

I'm happy enough with the Vista MCE software..it's just what results I get from
my speakers and video I deplore.

The point is that people using current hardware, some of it very expensive on a
HTPC running XP will have a crappier experience switching to Vista currently.

Sound is very important to me since I use the PC for TV, CD/DVD Player, etc.
Basically it runs all and has to sound perfect and be totally adjustable from
playing music videos on Yahoo to HDTV.

No contest..can't get what I get from XP yet from Vista.

Vista does other stuff better..MCE interface is good. Dual core support and memory
use is better, to name just some..probably great on a laptop.

It's all very promising but losing functionality and ability to tweak sound and video is
a dealbreaker for now.
I can play a CD right now...no contest..XP sounds better.

I might even be convinced to go out and buy new hardware. Auzentech sells soundcards
that are supposed to work great with Vista. I suppose I could buy a new HDTV tuner.

Seems kind of stupid though to pay money and not be assured it will definitely be as
good as my existing XP setup.

That is what is dopey about Vista. It promises wonders but will give you at best an
equivalent experience on a HTPC. And that is only with certain hardware.
If you have a creative soundcard or older tuner/graphics card it will be worse.

When you can build an HTPC with the equivalent sound or better than an XP HTPC
Vista will be better. Since they crippled directsound and broke most sound interface
software that works with XP that will take some time for Vista.

 

[Smilin]

*sigh*

Not a Vista bug.

If you try to run it with hardware and drivers that aren't fully supported on Vista then you'll have problems.

Same thing with XP MCE.

/shrug

You're taking your XP MCE hardware and loading Vista on it. Might work, might not. If it does, cool. Build a Vista box from the ground up and things are fine. Buy an OEM that's all preloaded with fully supported Vista hardware and things are fine. This is the same song and dance we had with XP, 2000 etc..

It's nice when the stuff you bought just before Vista released works but really it was still released before Vista with drivers that say XP so it's not guaranteed. With some luck your hardware vendors will provide some better drivers. They aren't oblidged to though.

I'm partially in the same boat too. I've got arguably the best non-DX10 card available right now. meh. I knew what I was getting into. I'll move to DX-10 at a later date.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Wellsoul2
I'd really like to know WHY you prefer Vista over XP for your HTPC.

I prefer the interface (took a while to get used to though), love the Fox Sports integrated app, 3rd party MCML apps look more like MS VMC apps, love the guide overlay, recorded TV thumbnailing, simple SPDIF enabling, MS mpeg2 decoder looks and sounds better than anything I had tried in XP (and believe me, I'd tried them all), music library is TONS faster than XP, and found setup in general to be worlds faster and simpler than XP. Plus, looking forward, SideShow enabled remotes look cool (I already use WebGuide4's Sidebar gadget on my other Vista boxes to manage my HTPC and stream content) and a new DCT-enabled system is in my future once the big OEMs release their models and they come down in price.

What sort of hardware do you have that works BETTER with Vista?

Dell Dimension E510:
Pentium D 820
2GB RAM
160GB SATA system/music/pics/video drive
250GB SATA recorded TV drive
Radeon 1300 fanless
Turtle Bay Audio Advantage Micro SPDIF out to Onkyo receiver
Hauppauge PVR 150 Tuner
MS IR receiver/Harmony 670 remote

 

[bsobel]

What sort of hardware do you have that works BETTER with Vista?

I can't really utilize my machine to the fullest with XP32 (8cores, 32gig) and XP64 is orphaned. Vista64 is the only (Windows) OS option for me.