I normally don't piss and moan about one video card being better or worse than any other, but after buying a voodoo 4500 for an extra puter, I'm really amazed. I have Nvidia cards in 5 machines throughout my family, and I've been pleased with the results of each. I just installed a Voodoo 4500 on a machine with a P3600E oc'ed to 800 and the 2d quality is absolutely amazing, much more crisp and clear than any of my Nvidia cards (TNT2Ultra, Geforce SDR, Several Geforce 2 32meggers). I'm not trying to start a war, after all I really haven't noticed much difference at all in 3d stuff, and I haven't touched a bench mark. I'm just amazed that I never really noticed the lack of 2d quality that Nividia cards have (for me at least), until seeing first hand what quality 2d output looks like.