Originally posted by: Genx87
Why do i have a feeling because Nvidia had issues with their first run drivers for Vista, they are going to be carrying that stigma for years with the ATI fanboi crowd?
We will be here in 2010 talking about how the G100 and Nvidia drivers suck for Vista.
Anyways, I have been playing games on Vista Business for 3 weeks and have no issues with the graphics drivers. The one issue I am running into is in COH and it is an application issue.
Anyways, this card is out, from the review I read, this looks like ATI\AMD's NV30. Late to the party for a new DX10 gen chip, not impressive performance wise, big, hot, and consumes power like a factory.
But at least it is out, and we can all start to move forward with realizing certain companies arent infallible. Personally I am wondering how much AMD got conned by the ATI execs. They knew of the performance expectations\issues with the R600 a year ago and their economic expectations as well, yet somehow got AMD to sign off on it.
Originally posted by: n7
Not very impressed with this review.
Not much for high resolution results, where we already know the HD 2900 XT does better, & far too many stupid benches w/o AA.
Who the eff uses no AA these days...
No Vista results either :frown:
I am sick of seeing reviewing assuming people are still stuck using a 5 year old OS.
As for IQ, you guys are f*cking retarded.
AF was comparable between both 2900 & 8800s, maybe slightly better when blown up on 8800s.
How much of the time playing games are you going to be saving screenshots, & then blowing them up to gaze at the AF features for hours? :roll:
AA was arguably slightly better on the 2900 when blown up.
Again, since when do people spending hours staring @ enlarged screenshots of games? :roll:
Stop being f*cking morons, seriously.
I'll be waiting for more reviews showing the cards @ 2560x1600 (where i want to be able to play at) in Vista
Originally posted by: rmed64
Sorry, but not all of us buy into new, still buggy/unstable operating systems with no real benefit of upgrading over XP at the moment.
Not to mention the fact it is slower in gaming than XP, no rush my friend....no rush.
Originally posted by: n7
Originally posted by: rmed64
Sorry, but not all of us buy into new, still buggy/unstable operating systems with no real benefit of upgrading over XP at the moment.
Not to mention the fact it is slower in gaming than XP, no rush my friend....no rush.
I am not going to even dignify that with a detailed response, since i can tell you have no clue what you are talking about with regards to Vista.
Some of us have actually used the OS; some of us have used it for a long time.
So please educate/inform yourself before telling me which OS i should be running.
Reason for poorer gaming performance on Vista is largely ATi/nVidia's fault; it's not MS's responsibility to create drivers.
Originally posted by: n7
Originally posted by: rmed64
Sorry, but not all of us buy into new, still buggy/unstable operating systems with no real benefit of upgrading over XP at the moment.
Not to mention the fact it is slower in gaming than XP, no rush my friend....no rush.
I am not going to even dignify that with a detailed response, since i can tell you have no clue what you are talking about with regards to Vista.
Some of us have actually used the OS; some of us have used it for a long time.
So please educate/inform yourself before telling me which OS i should be running.
Reason for poorer gaming performance on Vista is largely ATi/nVidia's fault; it's not MS's responsibility to create drivers.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: swtethan
Originally posted by: apoppin
and you aren't me
what does that say?
and you appear to be part of the 'exception' ... rather than the rule
find my poll, look at the results
asking nvidia GTX fans to say there are problems with their drivers
:Q
uh-huh
sounds really "scientific"
great another useless poll
damn ... it DOES appear to be useful
can you say *back-fire*
:Q
LOTs of 8800 driver issues
--and check out nvidia own forums
you ARE the exception if you have ZERO issues
sure i want to take a 'chance' .... with a $600 GPU that had crap driver support for the first 4 months of its life ... yeah it IS getting better ... it's MID-MAY! ... it launched LAST year
:thumbsdown:
NEITHER card ... for now
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
still, despite nvidia's market superiority, the high end x18/19xx cards were clearly superior to nvidia's 7 series in both performance and image quality. even w/o the shimmering nvidia could not match ati's HQAF.
I agree. I went from 7800GTX to x1900xtx and I found better image quality, and a near doubling of performance, PARTICULARLY when minimum framerates as well as maximum framerates were taken into account. X1900xtx had much less 'swing' between the two, providing a smoother and superior experience
i didn't see it
x850xt > x1950P better IQ with the pro
x1950 > 7800GS OC > x1950p --toss a coin ... both beautiful IQ
--and perhaps the later drivers corrected this ... wasn't my GS in march-april?
the only difference is that my x1950p is faster ... OF COURSE it is smoother
Originally posted by: apoppin
letsee .. how LONG have you had your system Keys?
an *entire week*
:Q
i don't think you can judge all those games yet
FINALLY *all* i am saying is that it is *documented* there are an unusually high number of driver complaints with 8800
more so than "usual"
and nvidia has been criticized for their slow response
- not *just* by me
although i am witness of some of them, rather 'first hand'
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
letsee .. how LONG have you had your system Keys?
an *entire week*
:Q
i don't think you can judge all those games yet
FINALLY *all* i am saying is that it is *documented* there are an unusually high number of driver complaints with 8800
more so than "usual"
and nvidia has been criticized for their slow response
- not *just* by me
although i am witness of some of them, rather 'first hand'
So your saying that maybe next week I'll have problems suddenly? As could the other two machines? For what reason?
Has it been the norm that the longer a person plays a game, the more of a chance the nvidia hardware/drivers with cause a problem because they age or something?
My point is: The OP is no exception.
Originally posted by: TecHNooB
What's up with the Inno3D 8800GTX? Why is it so much faster? What is Inno3D?
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
letsee .. how LONG have you had your system Keys?
an *entire week*
:Q
i don't think you can judge all those games yet
FINALLY *all* i am saying is that it is *documented* there are an unusually high number of driver complaints with 8800
more so than "usual"
and nvidia has been criticized for their slow response
- not *just* by me
although i am witness of some of them, rather 'first hand'
So your saying that maybe next week I'll have problems suddenly? As could the other two machines? For what reason?
Has it been the norm that the longer a person plays a game, the more of a chance the nvidia hardware/drivers with cause a problem because they age or something?
My point is: The OP is no exception.
AGAIN ... it isn't *me* saying this
Look at the Poll - intended to prove otherwise
there ARE issues ... much more than usual
look at the STALKER thread ... big nvidia issues and workarounds
look a the nvidia support forums ... STILL driver problems
much more so then USUAL
that is *all* i AM saying
what is wrong with MY "assessment" of the situation - also BASED on what i OBSERVE in the "real world"
perhaps i am confused because my experience is different than yours ... and yours is less than a week to be an "expert" on driver issues to *dismiss* mine
better - smetterOriginally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
letsee .. how LONG have you had your system Keys?
an *entire week*
:Q
i don't think you can judge all those games yet
FINALLY *all* i am saying is that it is *documented* there are an unusually high number of driver complaints with 8800
more so than "usual"
and nvidia has been criticized for their slow response
- not *just* by me
although i am witness of some of them, rather 'first hand'
So your saying that maybe next week I'll have problems suddenly? As could the other two machines? For what reason?
Has it been the norm that the longer a person plays a game, the more of a chance the nvidia hardware/drivers with cause a problem because they age or something?
My point is: The OP is no exception.
AGAIN ... it isn't *me* saying this
Look at the Poll - intended to prove otherwise
there ARE issues ... much more than usual
look at the STALKER thread ... big nvidia issues and workarounds
look a the nvidia support forums ... STILL driver problems
much more so then USUAL
that is *all* i AM saying
what is wrong with MY "assessment" of the situation - also BASED on what i OBSERVE in the "real world"
perhaps i am confused because my experience is different than yours ... and yours is less than a week to be an "expert" on driver issues to *dismiss* mine
At the minimum, at least I own the target of criticism and in a much better position than yourself to comment on them. No matter what you "hear" or "observe", I think people will be more inclined to believe what I have to say in the matter. You owned a 7800GS, not a G80. And once again, the simple fact that I have only had this PC for just over a week, doesn't make my system any less "configured" than any other. I have been playing the snot out of this rig and thoroughly amazed at the difference in performance.
One week, one month or 1 year really doesn't matter. It is what it is. No reason for anything to change a month, two three months from now. I run a clean system, and I know what I'm doing. More than you would imagine.
I would like to also emphatically agree that people are having problems with G80. Especially in Vista. But, Vista is a problem all in itself.
G80's, R600's, G7x's, R5xx, all the way down the line do have, and will have problems of different nature. Always have, always will.
And "of course" the G80 complaints are going to be "more than usual" and you know exactly why that is don't you? Brand spanking new, first generation unified architecture for Nvidia. I'll tell you, If R600 is in any way shape or form "brethren" to the Xenos GPU, that would mean R600 is second gen unified for AMD/ATI. I'd be very surprised if it had as many issues out of the gate. At least it had better not have as many.
Originally posted by: apoppin
and thanks for your "opinion" CaiNaM ... i had the HQ-IQs maxed on both cards ...
still do - at times on my x1950p
perhaps there was/is something wrong with all 3 of my x1950ps so that their IQ was not so perfect each time
:roll:
or perhaps the CRT and the LCD couldn't display the difference
but my eyes were recently checked and they are "fine"
sorry ... man i thought the nvidia card looked "fine"
-- it was just "slower"
the *problem* with HQ AF is the performance hit ... much more severe on the lesser card
Originally posted by: apoppin
better - smetterOriginally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
letsee .. how LONG have you had your system Keys?
an *entire week*
:Q
i don't think you can judge all those games yet
FINALLY *all* i am saying is that it is *documented* there are an unusually high number of driver complaints with 8800
more so than "usual"
and nvidia has been criticized for their slow response
- not *just* by me
although i am witness of some of them, rather 'first hand'
So your saying that maybe next week I'll have problems suddenly? As could the other two machines? For what reason?
Has it been the norm that the longer a person plays a game, the more of a chance the nvidia hardware/drivers with cause a problem because they age or something?
My point is: The OP is no exception.
AGAIN ... it isn't *me* saying this
Look at the Poll - intended to prove otherwise
there ARE issues ... much more than usual
look at the STALKER thread ... big nvidia issues and workarounds
look a the nvidia support forums ... STILL driver problems
much more so then USUAL
that is *all* i AM saying
what is wrong with MY "assessment" of the situation - also BASED on what i OBSERVE in the "real world"
perhaps i am confused because my experience is different than yours ... and yours is less than a week to be an "expert" on driver issues to *dismiss* mine
At the minimum, at least I own the target of criticism and in a much better position than yourself to comment on them. No matter what you "hear" or "observe", I think people will be more inclined to believe what I have to say in the matter. You owned a 7800GS, not a G80. And once again, the simple fact that I have only had this PC for just over a week, doesn't make my system any less "configured" than any other. I have been playing the snot out of this rig and thoroughly amazed at the difference in performance.
One week, one month or 1 year really doesn't matter. It is what it is. No reason for anything to change a month, two three months from now. I run a clean system, and I know what I'm doing. More than you would imagine.
I would like to also emphatically agree that people are having problems with G80. Especially in Vista. But, Vista is a problem all in itself.
G80's, R600's, G7x's, R5xx, all the way down the line do have, and will have problems of different nature. Always have, always will.
And "of course" the G80 complaints are going to be "more than usual" and you know exactly why that is don't you? Brand spanking new, first generation unified architecture for Nvidia. I'll tell you, If R600 is in any way shape or form "brethren" to the Xenos GPU, that would mean R600 is second gen unified for AMD/ATI. I'd be very surprised if it had as many issues out of the gate. At least it had better not have as many.
we have *agreed* on the core issue - exactly what *i* have stated
I would like to also emphatically agree that people are having problems with G80.
thank-you
that is *all* i wanted to hear ... that is all i ever said ... and don't 'nitpick' *degree*
and i am emphatically 'agreed' with everything else
-even your "excuses"
so now ... what?
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
better - smetterOriginally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
letsee .. how LONG have you had your system Keys?
an *entire week*
:Q
i don't think you can judge all those games yet
FINALLY *all* i am saying is that it is *documented* there are an unusually high number of driver complaints with 8800
more so than "usual"
and nvidia has been criticized for their slow response
- not *just* by me
although i am witness of some of them, rather 'first hand'
So your saying that maybe next week I'll have problems suddenly? As could the other two machines? For what reason?
Has it been the norm that the longer a person plays a game, the more of a chance the nvidia hardware/drivers with cause a problem because they age or something?
My point is: The OP is no exception.
AGAIN ... it isn't *me* saying this
Look at the Poll - intended to prove otherwise
there ARE issues ... much more than usual
look at the STALKER thread ... big nvidia issues and workarounds
look a the nvidia support forums ... STILL driver problems
much more so then USUAL
that is *all* i AM saying
what is wrong with MY "assessment" of the situation - also BASED on what i OBSERVE in the "real world"
perhaps i am confused because my experience is different than yours ... and yours is less than a week to be an "expert" on driver issues to *dismiss* mine
At the minimum, at least I own the target of criticism and in a much better position than yourself to comment on them. No matter what you "hear" or "observe", I think people will be more inclined to believe what I have to say in the matter. You owned a 7800GS, not a G80. And once again, the simple fact that I have only had this PC for just over a week, doesn't make my system any less "configured" than any other. I have been playing the snot out of this rig and thoroughly amazed at the difference in performance.
One week, one month or 1 year really doesn't matter. It is what it is. No reason for anything to change a month, two three months from now. I run a clean system, and I know what I'm doing. More than you would imagine.
I would like to also emphatically agree that people are having problems with G80. Especially in Vista. But, Vista is a problem all in itself.
G80's, R600's, G7x's, R5xx, all the way down the line do have, and will have problems of different nature. Always have, always will.
And "of course" the G80 complaints are going to be "more than usual" and you know exactly why that is don't you? Brand spanking new, first generation unified architecture for Nvidia. I'll tell you, If R600 is in any way shape or form "brethren" to the Xenos GPU, that would mean R600 is second gen unified for AMD/ATI. I'd be very surprised if it had as many issues out of the gate. At least it had better not have as many.
we have *agreed* on the core issue - exactly what *i* have stated
I would like to also emphatically agree that people are having problems with G80.
thank-you
that is *all* i wanted to hear ... that is all i ever said ... and don't 'nitpick' *degree*
and i am emphatically 'agreed' with everything else
-even your "excuses"
so now ... what?
My excuses for what? What is it that I'm trying to excuse here? I don't understand "exactly" what you're getting at. Explain please.