Watercooled 290x

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smackababy

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I have a custom water loop to cool my 3930k and 2 GTX670FTWs. You NEED adequate radiator capacity. I have 2 360 rads (XSPC RX360 and XSPC EX360) to cool the cpu and gpus. Since the R9 290X has large thermal output, especially OC'd, I would consider adding another rad if I ran 2 R9 290X gpus in CF. My present rad system wouldn't be overkill for a single R9 290X. I have full block gpu coolers. The memory really needs them for OCing.

But..but...but I can put a universal heatsink on the chip and attach it to a garbage pump and a 120mm radiator!


$34 after rebate for a CLC, $2 worth of Fujipoly thermal pad, and $1 worth of aluminum heatsink (not pictured) for the VRMs.

Works quite well as I idle at +5C vs ambient and load at +20C at max overclock. Could make this setup work for a higher TDP card like the 290X with some mods.
You could, but it won't perform well enough to OC crap. It will not dissipate enough heat. You're better off on air.
Wait let me link you again:

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/cat/360mm-Complete-Sets_65.html

You don't need barbs if you don't want to, cable ties do just fine, you don't even need a res. you can also go all the way Magaiver and just get a H80 and do this:






You might know how to watercool, doesn't mean you know everything about it, watercooling is a concept not something set in stone, where there's a will there is a way, stop being arrogant...

PS: The card in the pictures is a 480 and has a TDP of 275w....
Not a single link in what you posted includes a GPU heatsink. And I can tell you, that shit hackjob 480 doesn't cool a thing.

The OP was about max OC and I can tell you that card isn't running some cheez duct tape it together trash set up.
 
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guskline

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Why would you risk a $550 video card with such a cooling scheme?
 
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BrightCandle

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Its a 270W TDP card out of the box, I suspect its 300W in uber mode. I have been hearing people say overclocked it pulls more like 450W per card.

Watercooling is suprisingly simple to calculate in terms of radiator space necessary. A thick 120mm radiator with a 800rpm fan (very quiet) will cool 130W to around +10C water delta over ambient. Now a GPU actually doesn't need +10C, its ok on 20C but if you have a CPU in the loop as well you need to target 10C or below. GPUs can run safely in "hot loops" but CPUs can't.

So we can cool a 450W overclocked 290X on its own with 450/130= 3.46 120mm radiators. So a 120.4 or a 120.3 + 120 or a pair of 120.2's, just for the GPU. If we live with the higher delta we can get away with about half, so a single 120.2 to cool the GPU. Alternatively if we go all the way up to 1600rpm fans we can also half the radiator count as well. But presumably one reason for going water to begin with was to quiet the darn thing down not make it even louder!
 

guskline

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BrightCandle, if I figure my OC'd 3930k at @200 watts plus 450 watts for a OC'd 290x I would need 650/130=5 120mm rads. My present setup of a EX360 and Ex360 would do the trick.
 

monkeydelmagico

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Hats off to you brightcandle. This guy knows his h2o.

I've got a hack job closed loop cooler zip tied to a 7950 because it was cheap. At that wattage it's also effective. No way in hell I'd subject a R9 290x to that kind of treatment. Full coverage water and a mack daddy radiator please.
 
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But..but...but I can put a universal heatsink on the chip and attach it to a garbage pump and a 120mm radiator!

You could, but it won't perform well enough to OC crap. It will not dissipate enough heat. You're better off on air.

Not a single link in what you posted includes a GPU heatsink. And I can tell you, that shit hackjob 480 doesn't cool a thing.

The OP was about max OC and I can tell you that card isn't running some cheez duct tape it together trash set up.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1203636/official-amd-ati-gpu-mod-club-aka-the-red-mod/0_100

and

http://www.overclock.net/t/1203528/official-nvidia-gpu-mod-club-aka-the-mod/0_100

Again your arrogance amazes me, you can not simply admit that you can WC, without giving an arm or a leg, yes it won't be as effective but will still get the job done, also there have been Watercooling Kits for a long time, and they can be easily extended, I'v done my fair share of watercooling and spend more then I would like to admit, I stopped doing because I can't be bothered anymore, my H100 dos the job well and Non reference air cooling solutions do a pretty good job, not on par with Water, but its good enough for me.

@BrightCandle

360 Rads are rated from 600W-750W, it depends allot on flow rate and Fan Speed.....

Anyway the point is no you don't have to spend an arm and a leg to watercool a RIG, there's the Magaiver style(H80 and what not) that will be more efficient then air but not has efficient has a full watercooling solution, then there's the kits that can get the job done, Custom Loops on them self can get very expensive very quickly and also depends on what you are colling, but we often forget that we add components to them that can be switched by cheaper options, you can even use distilled water( has to be maintained very often tho), you can use cable ties to keep the tubing in place and you don't need a rez if you don't want to. Also I think we should get back on track with this topic, that is the high potential Overclocking of the 290x.
 
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MrK6

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To get this thread back on track:
I was looking for watercooled 290x's to see how well it would overclock and came across this reddit post you might enjoy

here is the 3dmark score

it gets around 15k in the graphics score stock speed uber mode, but almost 19k here

he says it doesn't go above 50C overclocked under full load,
maybe this is the titan killer we wanted
This is expected with this kind of chip. It appears the 290X is high leakage - it will respond to voltage and clock well as long as you keep it cool.
 
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To get this thread back on track:

This is expected with this kind of chip. It appears the 290X is high leakage - it will respond to voltage and clock well as long as you keep it cool.

Yeah thats why they implemented the Throttling feature like Nvidia, difference is AMD actually lets you mess around with that.
 

chimaxi83

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That GPU only block will only get you so far... I had one on one of my 7970 Lightnings a while back, and it did well, but required active cooling on the VRM/VRAM plate. Had to rig up a fan to blow directly on it. It worked, but meh.

My loop arrives tomorrow
 

MeldarthX

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That GPU only block will only get you so far... I had one on one of my 7970 Lightnings a while back, and it did well, but required active cooling on the VRM/VRAM plate. Had to rig up a fan to blow directly on it. It worked, but meh.

My loop arrives tomorrow


which loop did you get? lol one of my original overclocks was 486/dx2/66 OC to 120mhz.......I had a giant house fan blowing into my case to keep the damn thing cool
 

chimaxi83

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AX360, AX240 (push/pull on both through a fan controller, low RPM), Raystorm, EK Full cover acetal block, XSPC bay res, D5 pump. It was an AX360 kit that I added onto.

An almost 100% overclock? Wow, if only that was easy today heh
 

Face2Face

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That GPU only block will only get you so far... I had one on one of my 7970 Lightnings a while back, and it did well, but required active cooling on the VRM/VRAM plate. Had to rig up a fan to blow directly on it. It worked, but meh.

My loop arrives tomorrow

Full cover blocks are the only way to go on Tahiti, I suspect Hawaii will be the same. Gotta keep those vrms cool :whiste:
 

raghu78

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You can do a cpu kit like I did, RS120 for $130, then a GPU block for $100, sell the cpu block for ~$45.

But you wouldn't want to run a cooker like the R290X overclocked on such a small rad with a cpu in it.

This is the highest core clock I've seen so far for the R290X on water, needs to go higher or it just looks like a waste of money vs on air 780s.

firstly R9 290X is significantly faster clock for clock compared to the GTX 780. R9 290X at a 1125 - 1150 mhz easily matches or exceeds a GTX 780 at 1300 - 1325 mhz . its only the golden classy 780 at 1400 - 1450 mhz which requires a 1250 mhz R9 290X to match.

btw your GTX 780 is getting whipped around in the biggest PC title this holiday season especially at 1440p / 160p which is where these cards are required. with Mantle its going to get ugly for Nvidia. :biggrin:

http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page4.html

http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/17810-prestandaanalys-battlefield-4/3#pagehead

whats this a Nvidia TWIMTBP title running better on R9 290X :whiste:

http://www.techspot.com/review/733-batman-arkham-origins-benchmarks/page3.html
 

IEC

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But..but...but I can put a universal heatsink on the chip and attach it to a garbage pump and a 120mm radiator!

You could, but it won't perform well enough to OC crap. It will not dissipate enough heat. You're better off on air.

The OP was about max OC and I can tell you that card isn't running some cheez duct tape it together trash set up.

Sure if you need to squeeze out every last MHz then you will need the best cooling you can buy short of LN2. But for the average engineer or techie out there, getting bang for the buck is also a valid proposition. +15-20C over ambient on CLC versus +10-15C over ambient on a high end watercooling setup doesn't make an appreciable difference in most OCs, and is a significantly poorer value for performance per dollar.
 

PhIlLy ChEeSe

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@Smackababy,
If every system you built for the last blah blah has been water cooled then you already have almost all the fixins. Add a $150 water block, I don't see $500 any where? Maybe you use a 120 rad? Or a pre built system? Or maybe your just flaming the tread :whiste:
 

BallaTheFeared

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firstly R9 290X is significantly faster clock for clock compared to the GTX 780. R9 290X at a 1125 - 1150 mhz easily matches or exceeds a GTX 780 at 1300 - 1325 mhz . its only the golden classy 780 at 1400 - 1450 mhz which requires a 1250 mhz R9 290X to match.

btw your GTX 780 is getting whipped around in the biggest PC title this holiday season especially at 1440p / 160p which is where these cards are required. with Mantle its going to get ugly for Nvidia. :biggrin:

http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page4.html

http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/17810-prestandaanalys-battlefield-4/3#pagehead

whats this a Nvidia TWIMTBP title running better on R9 290X :whiste:

http://www.techspot.com/review/733-batman-arkham-origins-benchmarks/page3.html

According to hw.fr the 1GHz R290X is 9% faster at 1440 than the 980MHz GTX 780. R290X just needs to go higher, there is no other way to put it. 1250 on water for a setup that will cost much more than non reference 500-570 dollar GTX 780s that can hit 1300-1400MHz all day isn't going to cut it :|


Because BF4 Single Player is what everyone cares about, right?



Ouch.

Better get that Mantle going because they clearly aren't doing something right, like supporting DX11 features?
 
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raghu78

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According to hw.fr the 1GHz R290X is 9% faster at 1440 than the 980MHz GTX 780. R290X just needs to go higher, there is no other way to put it. 1250 on water for a setup that will cost much more than non reference 500-570 dollar GTX 780s that can hit 1300-1400MHz all day isn't going to cut it :|


Because BF4 Single Player is what everyone cares about, right?

Ouch.

Better get that Mantle going because they clearly aren't doing something right, like supporting DX11 features?

sorry buddy but sweclockers benched BF4 mutliplayer

http://translate.googleusercontent....g=ALkJrhiWWQepuO7f56jCqpb44ooyh4XQQA#pagehead

"SweClockers performs traditional measurements of frame rate with Fraps software. In Battlefield 4 is about honest multiplayer on Conquest Large variant of the map "Siege of Shanghai", where the testing is repeated at least three times for each configuration and tuning for a period of 180 seconds - a total of nine minutes or more.

In the test, two resolutions: 1920 x 1080 and 2560 x 1440 pixels, that is the most common levels of screens in sizes 23 to 24 inch and 27 inch. All video cards tested in the lower resolution, but selected models from the past generations even a game in the most demanding configuration."

R9 290X is on the top. but the kicker is the min fps where it demolishes GTX 780 :whiste:

http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/17810-prestandaanalys-battlefield-4/3#pagehead

this is pre mantle.post mantle is ridicule time :biggrin:
 

Erenhardt

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Because BF4 Single Player is what everyone cares about, right?



Ouch.

Better get that Mantle going because they clearly aren't doing something right, like supporting DX11 features?

Seeing how CPU bottlenecked that test was, one could imagine something went wrong with the testing. 32 players vs 64? Changed map? It looks like it have very little to do with graphics card and more with CPU.
 

schmuckley

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No, you can't. 290X waterblock is $150. CPU block is another $85. I've broken your budget without a pump, res, tubing, fans or rads.

Every PC I have had in the past 5+ years has been watercooled. It is not a cheap hobby.


I could do it for under $250 ..from scratch..with cpu included..and have lower temps than your loop.
:whiste:
 

BallaTheFeared

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I guess the only difference there would be the $1000 processor driving the system vs the $220 or less in the other? Maybe different OS (8.1 with your link)?

Either way even the downtrodden Titan is right there at lower clocks so I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that Nvidia needs vastly more clock speed to beat the 1GHz R290X when none of it's cards are hitting that in stock configurations?

Seeing how CPU bottlenecked that test was, one could imagine something went wrong with the testing. 32 players vs 64? Changed map? It looks like it have very little to do with graphics card and more with CPU.

I'd rule cpu out since they use the same cpus for both cards at various speeds.

The other factors at play are the 1K$ chip swe used, perhaps driver difference, or OS (not sure what the other used, but this one used 8.1).







None of this of course takes away from the fact that at 980MHz the GTX 780 is within 8% of the 1000-990MHz R290X. Which doesn't allow the idea that Nvidia needs huge clock speed differences with their less costly GTX 780 that also offers non reference currently to beat the R290X. Certaininly doesn't change the idea that 1250 for the R290X on custom water is a poor investment vs $530 top end GTX 780s.
 
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schmuckley

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I guess the only difference there would be the $1000 processor driving the system vs the $220 or less in the other? Maybe different OS (8.1 with your link)?

Either way even the downtrodden Titan is right there at lower clocks so I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that Nvidia needs vastly more clock speed to beat the 1GHz R290X when none of it's cards are hitting that in stock configurations?



I'd rule cpu out since they use the same cpus for both cards at various speeds.

The other factors at play are the 1K$ chip swe used, perhaps driver difference, or OS (not sure what the other used, but this one used 8.1)
None of this of course takes away from the fact that at 980MHz the GTX 780 is within 8% of the 1000-990MHz R290X. Which doesn't allow the idea that Nvidia needs huge clock speed differences with their less costly GTX 780 that also offers non reference currently to beat the R290X. Certaininly doesn't change the idea that 1250 for the R290X on custom water is a poor investment vs $530 top end GTX 780s.

I've known you're a shill for Intel/Nvidia for years now :hmm:
 
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