Welcome to 1984?

[geno]

<< That's what they said about disco... >>


And disco was around for what - 10 years? Hip hop is coming up on 20 soon. And the thing that Disco never had was underground support. That's going to always be there. And Disco wasn't a culture - Hip Hop is, there's many aspects that make up the whole. Disco was the music and that was it. To compare the two isn't even a real comparison - they're totally different things.

 

[ElFenix]

<< Play that Funky Music Whiteboy!
Red shudders at the idea of Xeroxman getting down and funky

LMAO.

No, I don't listen to rap, Red.

But I don't like the idea of the government telling me what I can and cannot listen to. >>




Xerox Man i'm insulted that you thought a classic 70s funk song was rap. (yes yes vanilla ice covered it and he was a &quot;rap&quot; star...)

 

[guitronics]

Hippity-hop,hippity-hop, the RIAA calls it pop.Everything in the universe is cyclical.Rap will fade away,and come back someday.Let's hope that it fades fast.It's all about marketing,you know.The music,the soft drinks, the clothing.

I am against any form of censorship.Let things take their natural course.When I find something offensive, I turn it off, or change the channel.

The hell with the government,they are in the business of the control of power.Some of the control we'll agree with, some we won't.I figure, the less intrusive the government is, the better off we'll all be.

The government's job is supposed to be to carry out the will of the people.That will of the people changes daily.The regulators send up 'trial balloons' to see what the public will, or will not, support.

I say we need a more direct Democracy.

 

[iamwiz82]

<<

<< That's what they said about disco... >>


And disco was around for what - 10 years? Hip hop is coming up on 20 soon. And the thing that Disco never had was underground support. That's going to always be there. And Disco wasn't a culture - Hip Hop is, there's many aspects that make up the whole. Disco was the music and that was it. To compare the two isn't even a real comparison - they're totally different things. >>




Genocide, how can you say disco wasnt a culture? It was.

Culture(kul cher)
n.
The predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize the functioning of a group or organization.

Disco was a way of life. People dressed and acted the same.

I dont approve of the govt. regulating rap, cuz that means it will soon be moving over to other genres. This is bad for music in general.

And if you really wanna get into rappers dying, dont forget Falco and Easy-E. 2 <sarcasm>respected</sarcasm> members of society. I cant say i feel bad for them, the world is a better place.

 

[J3anyus]

That's the problem with Lieberman, he tries to impose his own personal morals onto everybody around him. And, since he's in the Senate, he can actually do that to some extent. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, it's that simple.

 

[Cerb]

<< Jay Leno made a comment last night about how Rap &quot;artists&quot; and Boy Bands are facing plummeting sales. Now the record industry is being forced to sign talent that can actually play musical instruments. >>



Well yeah, with RHCP and Tool releasing albums, the boy bands are finally seen in the right light: None.

And why should there be warning labels in the first place? What ever happened to _parents_? Next thing you know The Final Cut will have a parental advisory warning for Not Now John! Oh wait, that isn't popular music that the polititions can use for getting elected...

P.S. I wish winamp would warn me when it is about to go from Ozzy to Haryy Chapin...

P.S.S. &quot;We both have truths--are mine the same as yours?&quot;

 

[geno]

I say culture because it's more than music and clothes. It's a lifestyle. You go to a club to dance Disco - but hip hop is a way of life. I don't care if you think so or not - but there's no way in hell disco can influence your everyday life. Hip hop brings together different art forms (graffiti, break dancing, rapping), and it all works together very well. Disco never had that.

 

[UberNeuman]

hmmmm.... A ratings system just makes people want it more... So what is the point? If anyone wants it, they will get it...

 

[chess9]

If the music industry doesn't do a better job of policing itself, Congress will do it for them. Most Americans want to hear less violent and misogenistic music, video, etc. Lieberman is a political animal and he knows what his constituents want. And he has a lot of support from the religious right on this issue. How many Congressmen would have the b*lls to vote against a bill regulating, say, obscenity in music lyrics, or imposing some draconian rating system? Few. Just pray it never gets out of committee.

I too think it smacks of racially tinged excessive paternalism to try to regulate something like rap music. The genie is out of the bottle and won't be stuffed back in without lots of government guns. The law of unintended consequences would wreak serious revenge, as usual.

Why stop with rap? What about John Conlee's &quot;Gonna Hire Me A Wino To Decorate My Home&quot;? If the government is going to stamp out wretched excess at every turn, why don't they start inside the Beltway and work out? Alexandria, Virginia, to say nothing of the rest of the country, would't have a worry for several hundred years.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Disco was as much of a way of life as hip-hop is now. Hip-hop has only been big for the last 5-10 years anyway.

 

[geno]

<< Disco was as much of a way of life as hip-hop is now >>


what was there to disco that made it a way of life?



<< Hip-hop has only been big for the last 5-10 years anyway >>


No, the mainstream has been big on it for the past 5-10 years. The culture, the building blocks for it all have been around for a good 20 years now. Disco was a fad, Hip Hop's not fading...

 

[amdforlife]

hip hop and disco are in 2 completely different categories. disco never changed therefore died. hip hop is based on a changing culture therefore continually changing. hip hop might lose most of its mainstream popularity, but it will never fade away.

 

[geno]

<< hip hop might lose most of its mainstream popularity >>


If we're lucky - that'll happen VERY soon. I'm getting sick of the morons out there who think they know what hip hop is just because they saw Nelly on MTV and listen to Eminem :disgust:

 

[PistachioByAzul]

I guess you never saw Saturday Night Fever.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< all i have to say is, you are a SERIOUS dumbass if you think rap will fade out the picture anytime soon... >>

I'm glad that's all you have to say. As long as the the stupid White Kids out there are trying to pretend to be something they aren't the Black Artists are going to soak them for all the money they can. Meanwhile a different genre of music will eminate from the &quot;Hood&quot; and in 15 years the white punks will get in that grove and ruin it too.Rap is about artist talking about life as they see it. The little white punks haven't clue and aren't anything but wannabe's. Marshall Mathers is the epitamy of these pretenders.

Now that Rap has become mainstream it's all about pretenders. The only way they can push the envelope is to become more shocking with the lyrics. This is nothing new, rock has been doing it for decades. For Lieberman to single out Rap is discrimanatory. Of course if he tried to do it to Rock (like Tipper Gore did) he would face to much criticism. Of course with Rap being a rather obnoxious form of &quot;Music&quot; he might not face the objections he would if he went after Rock.

 

[djchemistry]

Man, you guys are too old. All this talk about how our generation's music is obnoxious and &quot;not even music.&quot; You sound like those old croonies who frowned on Elvis and his pelvic shaking ways. Hip Hop as culture argument won't fly with these old timers.

Basically the reason so many kids listen to hip hop or metal-rap is because rock has lost it's edge. Hip Hop is the only type of music that embodies the rebelliousness of youth. And you guys are right, when the next form of music comes along it will replace rap music as the most popular like how rap out-distanced rock and country music in 1998 with album sales. However, I'm willing to bet that it'll take more than a decade for the &quot;next&quot; form of music to develope and overtake rap. Sorry to say, rap's here for awhile.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< I'm willing to bet that it'll take more than a decade for the &quot;next&quot; form of music to develope and overtake rap >>

That's because the there is plenty of money to be made from the White Kids out there. Rap in it's beginning was about Culture and had a lot of Merit, now it's just about money.It's no different than the Boy Band Genre. It's all about $$ and that's it.

 

[geno]

Red, the thing is, the aspect of Hip Hop that you've been exposed too (the mainstream...) is a very small fraction of what's out there. This isn't what's supporting the genre - sure, there's a handful of sellouts that you see on TV - but there's way more out there that's generating revenue for the art. And I'm glad we agree on something, I can't wait for suburbia to get over hip hop, it's ruining some of the music and causing people to sellout. That fanbase does nothing for the culture and they should move on to the pop-crap they're used to...

 

[bigbootydaddy]

YUP, the underground stuff will never fade...

wutang4life

bbd4life

 

[Linflas]

<< The large media companies have been selling absolute crap (morally and artistically) to kids to make money. They don't want to legislate themselves, so now the government has to. That's one of the roles of the government. How that resembles Orwell's novel is beyond me. >>


Show me where that role is enumerated in the US Constitution please? I can show you places that prohibit such acts in the Constitution so please show me where they are authorized. Government regulation of content of artistic works is a step towards the world depicted in Orwell's novel. The fact that I loathe rap in no way obligates rappers to not produce such works.

 

[isildur]

Jeeze people - &quot;Orwell's novel&quot; didn't depict a govt &quot;regulating&quot; art, it depicted a govt that had _eliminated_ the artist entirely.
The only thing explicitly suggested in that release was the (self) imposition of a graded ratings system to indicate content strength (supposedly) on grounds of language, violence and sexual content. This bears no resemblence to anything Orwellian.
There is not even the suggestion that the &quot;big bad government&quot; is going to step in and _censor_ record label material; what is suggested is that, if the record companies don't provide a better ratings system on their own, then one will be created for them.

1984? Hardly.
Go take a soma and do your reading again.

 

[Linflas]

<< Jeeze people - &quot;Orwell's novel&quot; didn't depict a govt &quot;regulating&quot; art, it depicted a govt that had _eliminated_ the artist entirely.
The only thing explicitly suggested in that release was the (self) imposition of a graded ratings system to indicate content strength (supposedly) on grounds of language, violence and sexual content. This bears no resemblence to anything Orwellian.
There is not even the suggestion that the &quot;big bad government&quot; is going to step in and _censor_ record label material; what is suggested is that, if the record companies don't provide a better ratings system on their own, then one will be created for them.

1984? Hardly.
Go take a soma and do your reading again. >>


Orwell depicted the ultimate totalitarian state. To speak of things Orwellian only implies that a particular action may be the first step on the slippery slope towards that type of society, not that we are anywhere close to it. If you do not believe the slippery slope is real just look at the amount of regulatory interference we accept in our daily lives that would have been unthinkable a generation or 2 previous. To me things like government threatening unspecified regulatory action against an industry is no different than a made guy coming into my place of business to sell me &quot;protection&quot;.

 

[Doboji]

I'm a hardcore liberal democrat who voted for Gore!

But I frucking hate Lieberman he's a religious fanatic, and an opponent of free speech. Oh yeah I'm a jew too...

I personally like Rap music... and I'm tired of people assaulting it as crap... I swear people cannot appreciate new forms of music.... yes they don't play real musical instruments... that doesnt mean it's not music.... if Beethoven had never played piano, does that make his music any less spectacular?... Modern music is no longer about how well you play an instrument, it's about engineering sounds. It's all about pleasing the ear, and frankly I see some Rap music that I think is better than some of the greatest classical compositions. Don't believe me look up some of the Rap from the early 90s... my favorites that you all would most be able to appreciate are Tribe Called Quest... check out the following albums:

Peoples Instinctive Travels &amp; The Paths of Rythm

Low End Theory

Midnight Marauders

And I am a classically trained violinist... played for 15 years... so I know a &quot;little&quot; about classical music.

Today as with any musical genre, much of Rap has become watered down, but yet still there is good rap out there... Missie Eliot is a good example... Wyclef Jean.... and there are many others...

Modern music isn't as much in the dumpster as people think... it's just new... and it takes time for the crap to be filtered out leaving all the good music. As a fan of GOOD modern music... I spend alot of time filtering through the crap to find the good music that 30 years from now will be all we hear from this era.

This is the age of engineering music.... and you have to be aware of this in order to appreciate it. Stop listening for the quality of the violinist, and start listening to the genius mixing of sounds.

-Max

 

[Red Dawn]

genocide,as soon as MTV got a hold of it Rap lost it's soul

 

[mrCide]

hell with rap. hell with pop. bring back MUSIC