Welp...gonna try this again...

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I've wanted one for 15 years...finally got it The car is "poop your pants fast"- 0-60 in 4.3s. That's as fast as a Challenger SRT, but I can go around corners
Yup, I recently got a heavier car with less HP (Lexus GS 350 AWD), and it's like 5.6ish 0-60 ... it's reasonably quick, but not not even in the same ball park
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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Nice car,
Friend at work has a 335xi. It's like an M3 that costs a bit less to insure

Just got the first insurance bill- $500 deduct/w glass replacement $87/month. Not as bad as I thought. My wife's Audi A6 is about $92/month.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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LOL

That wouldn't have helped in my case- the fire was electrical and it started behind the center console. Thought I overheated because white smoke started coming out of the passenger vent (thought I blew the heater core). Pulled over, looked at the engine...nothing was wrong. Scratched my head, went and looked under the glove box, and a blowtorch of flame jetted out. The car was engulfed about 30 seconds after that.



 

BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
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LOL

That wouldn't have helped in my case- the fire was electrical and it started behind the center console. Thought I overheated because white smoke started coming out of the passenger vent (thought I blew the heater core). Pulled over, looked at the engine...nothing was wrong. Scratched my head, went and looked under the glove box, and a blowtorch of flame jetted out. The car was engulfed about 30 seconds after that.

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And yet you bought another BWM and the insurance company is willing to insure it for a reasonable price. What happens if this time it catches on fire and you can't get out of it in time? I would have to say one of my top priorities in a car is for it not to burn me alive inside of it. I mean just on the damn principle of the thing, if I had a car that caught fire for no good reason I would never buy from that manufacturer again.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
26,296
1,804
126
Damn, that was just some awful luck there!
In any case, I think it's rare enough of a thing that you hopefully won't ever have it happen to you again, even if you amassed the worlds largest BWM collection.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
41,920
2,161
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And yet you bought another BWM and the insurance company is willing to insure it for a reasonable price. What happens if this time it catches on fire and you can't get out of it in time? I would have to say one of my top priorities in a car is for it not to burn me alive inside of it. I mean just on the damn principle of the thing, if I had a car that caught fire for no good reason I would never buy from that manufacturer again.

Yeah, because it's difficult to see when driving down the highway from the 1000's of BMWs on fire on the sides of the road

And now, car talk:

The old car was a 2002, I had it in 2013, and it was a fluke. Despite it being an old car, BMW contacted me and even compensated me with it as the fire was traced to a faulty heat sync on the climate control (this same module was used in GM Hummers and some other GM cars), so my insurance gave me the value of the car and BMW gave me a nice check as part of their lawsuit against the part manufacturer.

I went with a 2009 Mini Cooper S (still a BMW) after that, and it was a fun car that was surprisingly practical, but the engine was one of the worst designs ever cursed upon this planet and it turned into a headache. (side note- avoid 2007-2012 Mini Coopers like the plague. The engine was made by Peugeot and is great when it works, but expect a good $2000/year to keep it working. BMW put their own engines in them after the 2013 model).

The new one is a 2015 with the straight 6. BMW has been making straight 6's since the 30's, so they should have them down by now There are certain brands of cars you just "fit" in. I'm very tall, and BMW's interior has a V shaped center console that allows me to man-spread while driving. Their AWD system favors the rear wheels, so it's a great driver in the summer and practical in the NW Ohio winters. The new 3 series has as much interior room as the old 5 series, so I can fit 5 people in it. The M Sport Seats are hands-down the best seats in the industry. The new i-Drive infotainment system is fantastic paired with the Harmon Kardon sound system. I can even eek 32MPG out of it in eco mode on the highway, which is good for a performance car.

There's lots of reasons I stick with the brand. I'm also a fan of Audi (got my wife one!), and considered switching to a few brands. Here's some quick car reviews in my one year of searching:

Stipulation: When I get a car, I like to stay below $25000, 4 years old or less, under 40K miles, and get a CPO warranty. This is the sweet spot of value/performance/reliability. Normally you can find 1 owner off-lease cars in this range. All of these cars are 2014-2016 models.

Cadillac ATS - interior was too small and Cadillac's CUE system is god-awful. Best suspension in any car I've ever driven though. 3.6L is a must, but hard to find.
Cadillac CTS - more room than the ATS, similar driving dynamics, but same driver room is too cramped. V6 AWD slightly out of price range.
Infiniti Q50 - Fantastic interior and amazing amount of tech for the price, good AWD system, engine design is old and maxed out, poor fuel economy.
Nissan Maxima SR - What the Infiniti should be, great styling, great interior, affordable, only comes in FWD though. If they made an AWD variant would be a great sleeper car.
Mercedes C300 - Plush interior, handles very similar to BMW 3 series, engine performance is a bit anemic in the non-AMG versions, but specialized parts up the wazoo. Good lease car, not a good self-care car. CPO examples were too expensive (probably because they know the cost of maintaining them )
Audi S4 - God I wish this car was in my price range. An Audi interior is a work of art. You just want to live in it. The AWD Quattro system is very sure footed. You need an S series over the A series to have any fun though (those 2.0L turbos in the A just don't cut it), engine sound is great. Suspension not as good as the ATS. Fantastic car!
Lexus IS350 F Sport - Great car. Good interior, lots of tech, great performer, nice styling. Infotainment system isn't great. Suspension is a bit harsh on public roads, poor fuel economy, and they tend to keep their value more than other cars so it was a bit out of my price range on the used/CPO market.
Mustang GT - Interior worst of the bunch. Cramped, uncomfortable, cheap plastics. Sound system is blah. Engine note best of the bunch. Track car for street use. RWD only.
BMW 335i - Great interior room, nice infotainment system. Electric steering feels a bit numb, but tightens up when you need it too. Torque/HP balance of the straight 6 is fantastic. Engine note is impressive. Described as "Poop your pants" fast, but not as fast as the Mustang. Excellent adaptive suspension. Best of all worlds for me!
 
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BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
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Yeah, because it's difficult to see when driving down the highway from the 1000's of BMWs on fire on the sides of the road

And now, car talk:

The old car was a 2002, I had it in 2013, and it was a fluke. Despite it being an old car, BMW contacted me and even compensated me with it as the fire was traced to a faulty heat sync on the climate control (this same module was used in GM Hummers and some other GM cars), so my insurance gave me the value of the car and BMW gave me a nice check as part of their lawsuit against the part manufacturer.

I went with a 2009 Mini Cooper S (still a BMW) after that, and it was a fun car that was surprisingly practical, but the engine was one of the worst designs ever cursed upon this planet and it turned into a headache. (side note- avoid 2007-2012 Mini Coopers like the plague. The engine was made by Peugeot and is great when it works, but expect a good $2000/year to keep it working. BMW put their own engines in them after the 2013 model).

The new one is a 2015 with the straight 6. BMW has been making straight 6's since the 30's, so they should have them down by now There are certain brands of cars you just "fit" in. I'm very tall, and BMW's interior has a V shaped center console that allows me to man-spread while driving. Their AWD system favors the rear wheels, so it's a great driver in the summer and practical in the NW Ohio winters. The new 3 series has as much interior room as the old 5 series, so I can fit 5 people in it. The M Sport Seats are hands-down the best seats in the industry. The new i-Drive infotainment system is fantastic paired with the Harmon Kardon sound system. I can even eek 32MPG out of it in eco mode on the highway, which is good for a performance car.

There's lots of reasons I stick with the brand. I'm also a fan of Audi (got my wife one!), and considered switching to a few brands. Here's some quick car reviews in my one year of searching:

Stipulation: When I get a car, I like to stay below $25000, 4 years old or less, under 40K miles, and get a CPO warranty. This is the sweet spot of value/performance/reliability. Normally you can find 1 owner off-lease cars in this range. All of these cars are 2014-2016 models.

Cadillac ATS - interior was too small and Cadillac's CUE system is god-awful. Best suspension in any car I've ever driven though. 3.6L is a must, but hard to find.
Cadillac CTS - more room than the ATS, similar driving dynamics, but same driver room is too cramped. V6 AWD slightly out of price range.
Infiniti Q50 - Fantastic interior and amazing amount of tech for the price, good AWD system, engine design is old and maxed out, poor fuel economy.
Nissan Maxima SR - What the Infiniti should be, great styling, great interior, affordable, only comes in FWD though. If they made an AWD variant would be a great sleeper car.
Mercedes C300 - Plush interior, handles very similar to BMW 3 series, engine performance is a bit anemic in the non-AMG versions, but specialized parts up the wazoo. Good lease car, not a good self-care car. CPO examples were too expensive (probably because they know the cost of maintaining them )
Audi S4 - God I wish this car was in my price range. An Audi interior is a work of art. You just want to live in it. The AWD Quattro system is very sure footed. You need an S series over the A series to have any fun though (those 2.0L turbos in the A just don't cut it), engine sound is great. Suspension not as good as the ATS. Fantastic car!
Lexus IS350 F Sport - Great car. Good interior, lots of tech, great performer, nice styling. Infotainment system isn't great. Suspension is a bit harsh on public roads, poor fuel economy, and they tend to keep their value more than other cars so it was a bit out of my price range on the used/CPO market.
Mustang GT - Interior worst of the bunch. Cramped, uncomfortable, cheap plastics. Sound system is blah. Engine note best of the bunch. Track car for street use. RWD only.
BMW 335i - Great interior room, nice infotainment system. Electric steering feels a bit numb, but tightens up when you need it too. Torque/HP balance of the straight 6 is fantastic. Engine note is impressive. Described as "Poop your pants" fast, but not as fast as the Mustang. Excellent adaptive suspension. Best of all worlds for me!


Well that makes more sense, from your original post it sounded like you had bought a BMW and it burned to the ground randomly on you and then you just bought the same car again.
 

repoman0

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The old car was a 2002, I had it in 2013, and it was a fluke. Despite it being an old car, BMW contacted me and even compensated me with it as the fire was traced to a faulty heat sync on the climate control (this same module was used in GM Hummers and some other GM cars), so my insurance gave me the value of the car and BMW gave me a nice check as part of their lawsuit against the part manufacturer.

Bump because this thread was linked in the thread about how BMWs are shitty because I4

As the past and current owner of four different E46 and E39 cars, I know exactly what part you are talking about. I replaced it in each, once because it failed and three times just because. Those stupid little things get hot and fail and make the climate control fans lazy and unable to maintain their set speed. The first iteration that comes in all the cars has a heatsink with ~10 fat two inch long spikes arranged in a square coming out of it. The replacement always has something like 20 skinny spikes. It’s buried about six inches directly behind and below the radio.

Found a side by side, here’s the part that burned your car down:

 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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Bump because this thread was linked in the thread about how BMWs are shitty because I4

As the past and current owner of four different E46 and E39 cars, I know exactly what part you are talking about. I replaced it in each, once because it failed and three times just because. Those stupid little things get hot and fail and make the climate control fans lazy and unable to maintain their set speed. The first iteration that comes in all the cars has a heatsink with ~10 fat two inch long spikes arranged in a square coming out of it. The replacement always has something like 20 skinny spikes. It’s buried about six inches directly behind and below the radio.

Found a side by side, here’s the part that burned your car down:

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Yep...the prongs are right next to the main wiring harness for the console- directly behind the radio. It got so hot the insulation melted, shorted the wires, and POOF- the plastic and insulation caught fire.

Edit: Someone posted a pic of the thermal damage this part can do



I got a check from BMW for mine. I think they've recalled the cars and have a new design now.
 
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repoman0

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Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
41,920
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Maybe they’ll overtake the king of poorly made cars that catch on fire.





Was going to say Ferrari and Lamborghini have that title right now, but it's not really their fault. They use rubber tubes that can't handle ethanol, and US gas is full of the stuff, so you end up with fuel leaks and fires.
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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Looking at the causes explicated here for fires, I'm thinking I should purchase a fire-extinguisher to keep in my SUV.

You never know what might happen!
 
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