Westinghouse LVM-37w3

[RockGuitarDude]

Anyone have any experience with these? I may be looking into getting one.

 

[5150Joker]

Yep I've got one as do a number of others on this forum. Do a quick search and you'll find a few threads about it.

 

[SirFelixCat]

I also just recently (3 weeks ago) got one. It's incredible. I love my Westy. Like 5150 said, quite a few threads on here, some by me. Go search and hopefully, it should help.

 

[Hadsus]

PQ is kinda bad on the Westies IMO. See review and screenshots:

http://www.denguru.com/2006/10/19/the_westinghouse_lvm/page2.html

I don't know why people like these so much. I wouldn't want to own one. Sunburnt faces, blueish tinged dark scenes, black crush......

They are cheap though.

 

[SirFelixCat]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
PQ is kinda bad on the Westies IMO. See review and screenshots:

http://www.denguru.com/2006/10/19/the_westinghouse_lvm/page2.html

I don't know why people like these so much. I wouldn't want to own one. Sunburnt faces, blueish tinged dark scenes, black crush......

They are cheap though.

Um, that is for a completely different model. The OP specifically is asking about the LVm-37w3.

 

[Hadsus]

I know it's a different model and size. But it is quite common for manufacturers to use the same technology/guts when building different model TVs. Maybe this one is different but I think I would give it a long, hard look before pulling the trigger.

 

[kopema]

On a related note, I just got a Westinghouse LTV-32w6HD for Christmas. It beats the heck out of my old TV, so I have no complaints there. But I was wondering if it would be any good as a computer Monitor?

As far as I know, all it will take is moving it upstairs and buying a new cord, but I'm not even sure if it's worth that. I already have a Sony Trinitron 22 inch CRT rated at 1600x1200, and the native res of the LCD is only 1360x768. I don't think I'll like doing my work on a widescreen, but I might want to try out some First Person Shooters on a big screen.

Would the image be an improvement close up, or should I just leave it in the living room?

 

[kopema]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
PQ is kinda bad on the Westies IMO. See review and screenshots:

http://www.denguru.com/2006/10/19/the_westinghouse_lvm/page2.html

I don't know why people like these so much. I wouldn't want to own one. Sunburnt faces, blueish tinged dark scenes, black crush......

They are cheap though.

From the article:

"Conclusion... So while the LVM-47w1 has some deficiencies, it may also be the best large-sized 1080p price/performance option available."

This reviewer is saying that it's a very good deal for the price.

(BTW, he also said it's exceptionally good as a computer monitor.)

 

[Hadsus]

Did you look at the images? Do those look good to you? I read the review and wonder if there are other motivations to his conclusion. Sorry but the picture is crap. Look at the very first image in the link I provided. That supposed to be human skin tone? And his green clothes are turned blue!

 

[Hadsus]

Delete...duplicate.

 

[kopema]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Did you look at the images? Do those look good to you? I read the review and wonder if there are other motivations to his conclusion. Sorry but the picture is crap. Look at the very first image in the link I provided. That supposed to be human skin tone? And his green clothes are turned blue!

From the article: (The bottom images in each comparison, called 'reference images', are not photographs, but 1080p quality screenshots from computer video files and therefore will always look better than the photographed 'television' images. They are used to illustrate the original image attributes of the source material.)

Of course what you see on the screen are displays of photographs of video images. They were there to be used as reference only - illustrations of the RELATIVE properties of the screen. Of course no photographed television should ever be expected to look perfect under those circumstances; and of course that is not the point of the comparison.

Reading is fundamental. Sure, it's always possible this reviewer was bought off, threatened with violence, hypnotized or otherwise influenced to carefully prepare one set of images, and then describe something entirely different in his written opinion. But (as is usually the case) the only evidence offered to support that particular conspiracy theory consists of a decided lack of comprehension skills on the part of the theory's proponent.

 

[SirFelixCat]

Well, I'm picking up company of heroes tonight, and I also have Civ IV and Rome:TW. I'll take some pics tonight and let you see for yourself. Plan on them being up @ 10pm cst.

Hope that may help give you some insight to the video quality as far as gaming goes.

In the meantime, here is the one pic I have of ESPNHD upscaled to 1080p:

Westy Glory!

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: kopema

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Did you look at the images? Do those look good to you? I read the review and wonder if there are other motivations to his conclusion. Sorry but the picture is crap. Look at the very first image in the link I provided. That supposed to be human skin tone? And his green clothes are turned blue!

From the article: (The bottom images in each comparison, called 'reference images', are not photographs, but 1080p quality screenshots from computer video files and therefore will always look better than the photographed 'television' images. They are used to illustrate the original image attributes of the source material.)

Of course what you see on the screen are displays of photographs of video images. They were there to be used as reference only - illustrations of the RELATIVE properties of the screen. Of course no photographed television should ever be expected to look perfect under those circumstances; and of course that is not the point of the comparison.

Reading is fundamental. Sure, it's always possible this reviewer was bought off, threatened with violence, hypnotized or otherwise influenced to carefully prepare one set of images, and then describe something entirely different in his written opinion. But (as is usually the case) the only evidence offered to support that particular conspiracy theory consists of a decided lack of comprehension skills on the part of the theory's proponent.

The so called conspiracy I'm theorizing is not so difficult to understand. Reviewers often get loaned TVs for free in exchange for the review and the reviewers are not going to come down hard on the TV in fear that they will get no more and that their reputation for being too hard will be made. The images of the Westy do not fit with his review. I'm sorry that you are an owner of one of these Westys but I just think it images poorly.

The TV images a blueish cast on the picture (particularly in dark scenes) that that is not normal with better LCDs (though it is common with the cheapies). It pushes red alot.....and that is not normal. It crushes black detail and, unfortunately, that is normal with alot of LCDs. The cheaper ones do it more than the expensive ones.

I have two HDTVs....one plasma and one CRT. I've owned 'em for years. I've had one of them ISF calibrated and I've built attenuators for the component input of my DVD player to my CRT in order to balance the color. In other words, I kinda know this stuff. And if the review images are accurate I would not want to own the TV reviewed. We'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[cessation]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
I know it's a different model and size. But it is quite common for manufacturers to use the same technology/guts when building different model TVs. Maybe this one is different but I think I would give it a long, hard look before pulling the trigger.

The 37 inch westinghouse has this panel here.

I don't know what the 47 inch westinghouse has in it but chi mei does not list the same kind of panel for their 47 inch as they do for their 37 inch. This is what they have listed on their site for 47 inch panels. Notice the 37 inch has Super MVA by technology and the 47 has VAextreme.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: cessation

Originally posted by: Hadsus
I know it's a different model and size. But it is quite common for manufacturers to use the same technology/guts when building different model TVs. Maybe this one is different but I think I would give it a long, hard look before pulling the trigger.

The 37 inch westinghouse has this panel here.

I don't know what the 47 inch westinghouse has in it but chi mei does not list the same kind of panel for their 47 inch as they do for their 37 inch. This is what they have listed on their site for 47 inch panels. Notice the 37 inch has Super MVA by technology and the 47 has VAextreme.

Yeah, a different panel could give you different imaging results. The 47 incher seems to be quicker and has a better contrast ratio but those numbers can be flaky in terms of real world use.

 

[SirFelixCat]

As promised, here are 4 screenshots from Company of Heroes:

***56k Warning! These are not compressed and are 1920x1080***

Intro 1

Intro 2

In-Game 1

In-Game 2

IMO, those are some pretty killer screenies. Me likey my 37" Westy

Decide for yourself if it's something that you like and go from there. avsforum, widescreengaming, and here at anandtech have threads on this monitor. Go take a look for yourself. In the mean time, enjoy

 

[m21s]

It wouldn't be right if I didn't pop in here.

I love the Westinghouse threads with so many haters.
(Now waiting for the thread to turn into a this is a TV and not a monitor)

:beer: Here's to the haters.

BTW: OP quick pic in my sig for ya! And I wouldn't recommend anything else. Search this forum, this topic has been beat to death lately.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
I have two HDTVs....one plasma and one CRT. I've owned 'em for years. I've had one of them ISF calibrated and I've built attenuators for the component input of my DVD player to my CRT in order to balance the color. In other words, I kinda know this stuff.

Ahhh, a videophile. IMO most videophiles won't be shopping the low end anyways, and most "joe average consumers" are perfectly happy shopping the low end. As you said, "agree to disagree."

BTW, I'm "perfectly happy" with my 42" 1080P Westy hooked up to my HTPC.

Originally posted by: m21s
(Now waiting for the thread to turn into a this is a TV and not a monitor)

OMG so true!

 

[josh6079]

How is the screens black-levels and uniformity? Does it have any slight backlight bleeding?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: josh6079
How is the screens black-levels and uniformity? Does it have any slight backlight bleeding?

Black levels are like your typical LCD and mine has no backlight bleeding. I don't think hardly anyone's westy does.

 

[morfinx]

I have the w1, I love it.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Hadsus
I have two HDTVs....one plasma and one CRT. I've owned 'em for years. I've had one of them ISF calibrated and I've built attenuators for the component input of my DVD player to my CRT in order to balance the color. In other words, I kinda know this stuff.

Ahhh, a videophile. IMO most videophiles won't be shopping the low end anyways, and most "joe average consumers" are perfectly happy shopping the low end. As you said, "agree to disagree."

BTW, I'm "perfectly happy" with my 42" 1080P Westy hooked up to my HTPC.

Originally posted by: m21s
(Now waiting for the thread to turn into a this is a TV and not a monitor)

OMG so true!

I'm not an especially big fan of Sony but they publically said recently that the off brand LCD/plasma market is driving down prices but also driving down quality. Of course, they have their own self interest to keep prices as high as possible. Still, about a year and a half ago there really wasn't a 'low end' HD market. Most everything was good but expensive. Now that's changed....HD junk is populating the market, especially at the Walmarts and other discount chains. I might eventually get one of these for the bedroom or guest room but I just can't watch any good quality HD programming through 'em cause I notice the deficiencies immediately (despite tweaking the settings at the stores).

 

[SirFelixCat]

Originally posted by: josh6079
How is the screens black-levels and uniformity? Does it have any slight backlight bleeding?

Look a few posts above. I posted a screenshot of a mostly black screen, figuring someone would ask this. Do you people not care about the screen shots?

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: SirFelixCat

Originally posted by: josh6079
How is the screens black-levels and uniformity? Does it have any slight backlight bleeding?

Look a few posts above. I posted a screenshot of a mostly black screen, figuring someone would ask this. Do you people not care about the screen shots?

You need to take pictures of your screen. Literally. When you do an in-game screen capture it is a digital image of what is sent to the screen not what the screen is displaying. Of course, any type of backlight bleeding that might exist is not shown.