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UNCjigga

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With only 2 episodes left, I'm really starting to think that Arnold isn't real.

That's a distinct possibility. How many people in any of the timelines within Westworld actually knew "Arnold"? Who actually knows what he looks like?? There are various hints to his existence but they all lead back to Bernard/Ford. We know we can't trust what Bernard knows as Ford can plant/remove any idea in Bernard's mind. So all existence of Arnold leads back to Ford.

One possible theory--"Arnold" was the original "human" Ford. He created a self-aware assistant ("Ford") to help develop more life-like hosts. This assistant wanted to play God for itself and wanted hosts to be subservient to it, not to "Arnold" or any human. This assistant kills its Creator, takes his place, messes with the code, and starts creating his own hosts.

Only, there's something in the code "Ford" can't see. Some layer of security that "Arnold" left in the code that would prevent "Ford" from obtaining full control. The hosts will need to unlock that code, and perhaps unlock their own self-awareness and free will to be free of Ford's control. Maeve seems to be on that path. Not sure if Dolores is actually on that path or doing Ford's bidding...we shall see.


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PricklyPete

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Obviously, but they didn't know they were getting a season 2 when they wrote it. No doubt this season will end as if it could have been the series finale.

My understanding is that they came to HBO with a 5 season story arc. Not saying this season won't end with a decent conclusion, but I assume it still has legs.
 

A Casual Fitz

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My understanding is that they came to HBO with a 5 season story arc. Not saying this season won't end with a decent conclusion, but I assume it still has legs.
I heard that too, but they can't count on it when writing the first season. HBO didn't renew it for season 2 until after production for season 1 had finished. My only point was that we should have a decent grasp on who this Arnold is by the end of this season, since he's been referenced so much.
 

PricklyPete

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I heard that too, but they can't count on it when writing the first season. HBO didn't renew it for season 2 until after production for season 1 had finished. My only point was that we should have a decent grasp on who this Arnold is by the end of this season, since he's been referenced so much.

Gotcha, good point. Definitely seems likely.
 

UNCjigga

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Rewatching Episode 1 and I caught something I never remembered.

When Ford and Bernard are interviewing/diagnosing Abernathy after his malfunction...at one point he talks about "such revenges" he would have on his maker (looking at Ford)..then turns to Bernard and says "on you both." Lends some credence to the theory that Bernard was made in Arnold's image which has been discussed ad nauseum.

However, the last thing he says to Ford, the thing that strikes a hint of terror in Sir Hopkins' eyes:
"You have no idea where you are, do you? You're in a prison of your own sins!"

I think that's a pretty big hint that Ford replaced himself with a host...perhaps violently and unwillingly.


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A Casual Fitz

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I did notice that, but I think that happened in the past and that was the actual Arnold there with Ford. I don't have the energy to back up that statement at the moment, heh.
 

Squisher

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My head is starting to hurt and I'm understanding why my wife said, "just shut the fuck up and watch the damn show."
 
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A Casual Fitz

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Well,

That should shut up all of the multiple timeline deniers, though I guess that showed that it's all been Dolores wandering around through her memories more than anything.

So what does that mean for Stubbs? Is he also a host? Is Elsie alive somewhere? They're really holding on to us not finding out what happened to her.
 

MaxDepth

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Whoaaa...mind blown.

Since Dolores is one of the originals, we see the many different timelines.
  • Logan stabs Dolores and we see gears. That means Westworld is relatively new (to us). MiB says he misses the old style and not the uncanny valley of the new versions. So this could mean William is MiB?
  • Side note: we now know the picture in the dirt that causes Dolores' dad, Peter, to go haywire - it's Logan's sister.
  • She walks into the Church where the other Arnold originals are in the pews looking like they are having mental breakdowns. Interesting to note that the confessional leads to underground chamber where Dolores and Bernard would have chats. The original programming by Arnold is causing the hosts to have cognitive dissonance, meaning they realize they are programmed and are having conflicts with programming and the belief that they were human. Was this in the original three years or just after?
  • Dolores walking through the old offices with flashbacks of pre-revolt and post. So this sorta jibs with the movie. The hosts glitch and end up destroying the humans before the park opens. So she kills Arnold and remembers.
  • Newest timeline must be MiB + Bernard destroying himself because of the board member interacting with them all.
 

Homerboy

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I'm a few episodes behind. Just watched the one where
Bernard is Exposed
I admit, I did NOT see that coming.
Can't wait to watch next couple episodes now!!
 

A Casual Fitz

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I think they're doing a great job and look forward to every episode. Hope they don't Deadwood this...
The Internet is much more prominent regarding television than it was back in 2003ish (can't exactly remember) and streaming through HBO Now is a huge help. I know that Nolan came to HBO with a 5 season arc. HBO renewing it before the end of season 1 is a GREAT sign.
 
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Riverhound777

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I watched the latest episode last night and am more confused than ever. Will need to re-watch to understand all that is going on.
 

Skel

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William can't be the MIB. As stated before, the head of security interacted with both timelines. Unless he is a host, he would have aged somehow. We know some of the staff are hosts (besides the obvious). When William came, he was interacting with a girl who implied she was a host.

If the security guy is a host, the fact he knew about Bernard's trysts won't be a problem. But, why set up drama unless it's to throw us off?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only time I can remember the head of security 'interacting' with William's timeline is when someone mentioned that Dolores was off her normal path. Other than that, I don't recall him doing any interacting with William at all. Even with that, Dolores appears to be again off her normal path and that's ending with her connecting to the MIB.
 

A Casual Fitz

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only time I can remember the head of security 'interacting' with William's timeline is when someone mentioned that Dolores was off her normal path. Other than that, I don't recall him doing any interacting with William at all. Even with that, Dolores appears to be again off her normal path and that's ending with her connecting to the MIB.
Yeah, it was just him being notified that Dolores was off her path. It was intentionally misleading since we were watching her with William right before it.

Since we now know that Dolores is struggling with her memories and all over the place, it's clear that in the "present" time, she's just wandering around and that's what Stubbs was being notified of.
 
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