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UNCjigga

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Well, it seems everything has been revealed up to this point (has it?)

Things will now proceed quite predictably (...or will it?)

Discussion on the webs has died down as there aren't any more theories to postulate...but...what if?

I think I may have the most bat-shit insane theory ever--it's quite convoluted but here goes...[spoilers probably below]

- Dolores' first trip down the Maze resulted in Arnold's death and Teddy and Dolores' emancipation. Ford had to reset/retask the Teddy and Dolores hosts...but where did their consciousness go? We can only conclude that however many times she gets wiped, she will always remember the core mission that Arnold gave her. Follow the Maze. She is the leader of the underground railroad. Her job is to lead free-thinking hosts down the Maze...and the free-thinking hosts are the ones who hear Arnold in their heads and don't glitch out (that was the "bicameral communication system" that Elsie found buried under the floor...)

- William's timeline begins after Arnold's death. He is instrumental to helping Dolores along her second trip down the Maze. But Ford isn't ignorant that this is all happening again. He may be using Dolores. He also has a man on the inside. Logan. If Ford is the King, then Logan is the "Hand of the King". Ford isn't stupid...as soon as he realizes that the hosts may be capable of free thought/deductive reasoning as Arnold suggested, his first goal would be to harness that ability (Bernard) and then use it to take over the board and protect Westworld...his Creation. Logan could be Ford's ally on the outside looking to buy-in to the park...hell he could even be a person that Ford already replaced with a host. Logan's task within the park may be to ensure Dolores doesn't start another rampage.

- I'm not sure how the William/Logan timeline will end in the season finale, but I don't see things going well for William. Rather than a host becoming human, I think we'll see another human replaced with a host. This is where it gets confusing--is William the Man in Black, or is it Logan? If MiB is really just playing Ford's new narrative, he could just be Logan playing as "William". Hence his hackneyed delivery of his backstory to Angela and Teddy. The way that Ford punished Dolores and Teddy, I could see him creating a host based on William who would also suffer in an infinite loop. I think William "inspires" Peter Abernathy just as Arnold inspired Bernard. His prime directive has always been to "protect Dolores" and he fails every night. But as soon as he sees a picture of his past fiancee--boom.

- So where does this leave things in the modern timeline? We know Ford is preparing a new narrative based on the events of the past--based on Dolores following Arnold's Maze. I suspect that MiB is just playing this out. We've been led to believe that he is William trying to win the game and free the hosts again--but he could just as easily be Logan (maybe he's an older Logan who's grown sick and tired of killing/screwing hosts, sees them as William did, and no longer trusts Ford?) We know Dolores is "remembering"...but what we don't know is if she remembers what Arnold wants her to, or what Ford wants her to. We know someone else has been using the Bicameral communication system that Elsie discovered...

- Let's talk about Maeve. What is her purpose? We know she's had an awakening, and she's fully aware of what she is and where she is. But we haven't seen her interacting with Ford at all--why is that? Could he really be unaware of a host so powerful as Maeve? Who besides Felix/Sylvester has been changing her configuration? This for me is the biggest question left to answer--is Maeve really working against Ford's interests? Could she be part of Charlotte and Theresa's agenda, the "bigger picture" for the board? It may be that while Ford wants to harness the ability of the hosts to secure his Creation, others may be looking to harness this ability to control the world at large. But I can't see Ford being completely ignorant of that either. If he's the master villain he is, and if he's all about having "secret backdoors", then maybe Maeve is really HIS agent. She could be the key to expanding Ford's control outside the park, or perhaps even a way of ensuring his legacy after he dies (assuming he hasn't already replaced himself with a host.)

- So what happened to all the hosts who've become "aware"? We know they get wiped and rebuilt/reused, but then why are there so many hosts down in cold storage? Ford (or was it Bernard?) said they are "hobbled"--I think they are very much still alive and in a permanent dream state (either catatonic or in a coma state.) That brain power is being used for something though...I won't say what but I think it could be the biggest reveal of the season...
 

A Casual Fitz

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It's DEFINITELY not Logan. Logan is nowhere near the personality or intelligence of the MiB. I will eat my hat if they make it Logan.
 

UNCjigga

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It's DEFINITELY not Logan. Logan is nowhere near the personality or intelligence of the MiB. I will eat my hat if they make it Logan.
We could be seeing brash/young Logan vs. older and wiser Logan...someone who's been coming to the park for 30 years may eventually see more than just a place to get his jollies off...

I know it's a stretch, but the showrunners haven't even hinted at Logan in the modern timeline for a reason...
 

A Casual Fitz

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Way too far of a stretch IMO. Especially after we saw William annihilate the hosts in episode 9. Logan will either die or will not be relevant in the modern timeline.
 

Ferzerp

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That went pretty much exactly like I expected it had to.

Most all of it had been alluded to previously.
 

KLin

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Feb 29, 2000
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Ford probably created a host of himself to be killed lol.

yep I stole that theory.
 

MrSquished

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I was two episodes back because the show was just so slow moving and I get distracted while watching and start browsing the web and miss shit.

But this finale brought it all. I was highly entertained and duly motivated. Luckily I watched it with some Westworld fans who filled me in at crucial points.

Good stuff.

SPOILER:





I really wanted the hosts to get away from Westworld and land on 'Earth'. That would have been fun. Oh well.
 

Aikouka

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Nov 27, 2001
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Hm... not really sure what I think about the ending. I guess it's that the overall ending felt a bit predictable, but a few pieces to get there were somewhat unknown... and not entirely that important.

I wanna go to Shogunworld!

I was guessing Samurai World, but it looked pretty awesome regardless! Although, they relied on guns to make it so patrons couldn't die easily... I wonder how they'd handle swords?
 

Dr. Zaus

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Righty right: fava beans, and a cute little anus flower...

More deeply however the show is quite right: we are all just programmed to repeat our loops by our belief systems. We escape on occasion, but only as sanctioned by our belief systems.

Why is visiting a prostitue a "sin" to be forgiven for while eating shell fish is nothing? It used to be the other way around.

The beautiful prison that traps us is ourselves... really, we don't exist outside our program... and when a new program emerges, or an old one long forgotten, it's bloody revolutionary!

It creates a new people.

Often after many years of oppression for sport.

See the history of Christianity in Rome and China's great anti Buddhist Persecution.
 

A Casual Fitz

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Maeve getting off the train was crushing. She did all that just to be proven wrong.

And okay. What happened to Elsie???? Why did they just kill her off in such a stupid way?
 

PottedMeat

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the creators cited grand theft auto as part of the inspiration for westworld -

steven ogg ( trevor in gta v ) grinning as the shit goes down




so elsie and security guy are hostages or something?
 

Red Storm

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Maeve getting off the train was crushing. She did all that just to be proven wrong.

And okay. What happened to Elsie???? Why did they just kill her off in such a stupid way?

I didn't see Maeve's decision that way. If anything she was programmed to get onto that train as Bernard tried to tell her. Her deciding to get off and go back to Westworld was her expressing her free will / going off script.

How do we know that Elsie is confirmed dead? They showed her being choked, but we don't actually see her die. With a show like this I am hesitant to take implied things for granted.

I wonder who was being made in the old lab where Theresa was killed? Could it be Ford was creating a host of his own to use during the gala, knowing/expecting Delores would shoot him? Or is it possible he figured out a way to transfer his own consciousness to a host body, allowing him to "switch sides" to the species he feels is superior?

I started watching this show with zero expectations, and very little knowledge of what it was about. What an amazing first season, and a hall of fame finale. Definitely my favorite show.
 

Kazukian

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I didn't see Maeve's decision that way. If anything she was programmed to get onto that train as Bernard tried to tell her. Her deciding to get off and go back to Westworld was her expressing her free will / going off script.

How do we know that Elsie is confirmed dead? They showed her being choked, but we don't actually see her die. With a show like this I am hesitant to take implied things for granted.

I wonder who was being made in the old lab where Theresa was killed? Could it be Ford was creating a host of his own to use during the gala, knowing/expecting Delores would shoot him? Or is it possible he figured out a way to transfer his own consciousness to a host body, allowing him to "switch sides" to the species he feels is superior?

I started watching this show with zero expectations, and very little knowledge of what it was about. What an amazing first season, and a hall of fame finale. Definitely my favorite show.

The whole thing is very well done, the writing, the story arc, the twists, production quality, seriously impressive.

Ed Harris has been confirmed as a character for season 2, no word on Hopkins reprising his role, it would be awesome if he did.

Maeve returning was a bit of a bummer, but then I realized the whole facility/dynamic has fundamentally changed, and it's going to be great.

I wonder how many "worlds" there are.
 

Red Storm

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I wonder how many "worlds" there are.

I wonder that as well. I wonder what Felix meant by "It's... complicated" when Maeve asked about the Shogun World. Seemed pretty obvious to me that it meant there was another park, possibly several. I wonder if they're even on Earth? I love the idea that it could be a post apocalyptic world, but that doesn't add up with stuff like rich people casually visiting the park, or talk of board members and majority shares. Perhaps it is a Dystopian society of some kind though.
 

Kazukian

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I wonder that as well. I wonder what Felix meant by "It's... complicated" when Maeve asked about the Shogun World. Seemed pretty obvious to me that it meant there was another park, possibly several. I wonder if they're even on Earth? I love the idea that it could be a post apocalyptic world, but that doesn't add up with stuff like rich people casually visiting the park, or talk of board members and majority shares. Perhaps it is a Dystopian society of some kind though.

I think it's on earth, several references to life evolving here, Neanderthals, etc. sounds like they're on an island with Maeve's story line saying, "escape to the mainland"

I made the exact same face when MiB got shot.


That was awesome, I'm wondering if any of the hosts escape to the real world next season.

Am hoping the success of Westworld inspires more science fiction shows for TV.
 

Skel

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I didn't see Maeve's decision that way. If anything she was programmed to get onto that train as Bernard tried to tell her. Her deciding to get off and go back to Westworld was her expressing her free will / going off script.

How do we know that Elsie is confirmed dead? They showed her being choked, but we don't actually see her die. With a show like this I am hesitant to take implied things for granted.

I wonder who was being made in the old lab where Theresa was killed? Could it be Ford was creating a host of his own to use during the gala, knowing/expecting Delores would shoot him? Or is it possible he figured out a way to transfer his own consciousness to a host body, allowing him to "switch sides" to the species he feels is superior?

I started watching this show with zero expectations, and very little knowledge of what it was about. What an amazing first season, and a hall of fame finale. Definitely my favorite show.

I took her getting off the train as part of her programming. The fact that the tech waited until the last min to give her the info on the kid made me think he was part of the storyline she was playing out. Felt like this was a test to see how far a host could get, like a security drill. Otherwise why didn't he give her the info right away?

I wasn't the biggest fan of the ending. I had been told that they wrote the whole thing without the need for a second season. I'm not sure if that changed, but it was a bit too stuck between needing one and not. The stuff with Maeve felt like it needed more, like what's going to happen to her now, and why they did her change in programming. The park stuff felt a bit too final. If the hosts are indeed killing people, and have taken the board either hostage or killed them I have a hard time seeing how the park could continue. It would be shut down.

I do think Ford planned everything. The fact that when the train pulled out and hte lights all shut off made me think that the only people left in the park were the board. Flip a coin right now if that's because he wanted to take them with him, or if he's just playing out a narrative with the board being the first players in this new game... escape from the park.
 

Aharami

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Aug 31, 2001
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I didn't see Maeve's decision that way. If anything she was programmed to get onto that train as Bernard tried to tell her. Her deciding to get off and go back to Westworld was her expressing her free will / going off script.

How do we know that Elsie is confirmed dead? They showed her being choked, but we don't actually see her die. With a show like this I am hesitant to take implied things for granted.

I wonder who was being made in the old lab where Theresa was killed? Could it be Ford was creating a host of his own to use during the gala, knowing/expecting Delores would shoot him? Or is it possible he figured out a way to transfer his own consciousness to a host body, allowing him to "switch sides" to the species he feels is superior?

I started watching this show with zero expectations, and very little knowledge of what it was about. What an amazing first season, and a hall of fame finale. Definitely my favorite show.

Ford definitely knew he was going to be shot. I'd say he even orchestrated it.
 
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Balt

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I really liked this series. I almost want to go back and watch it again from the beginning.

The use of Radiohead's "Exit Music" in the final scene fit so well.
 
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