Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
If I slap you on the ass, will you turn the other cheek?
- M4H
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
If I slap you on the ass, will you turn the other cheek?
- M4H
Maybe.
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
If I slap you on the ass, will you turn the other cheek?
- M4H
Maybe.
Then come give me a kiss, big boy.
- M4H
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
If I slap you on the ass, will you turn the other cheek?
- M4H
Maybe.
Then come give me a kiss, big boy.
- M4H
Well, if you are pictured there, i might have to give you a butt whooping, would that be okay?
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: TravisT
Many methodist churches have been said to be quite accepting to homosexuality. Thank goodness I am not associated with a denomination like that..
Indeed; it's hard to imagine how one could be saved if they stopped hating.
*yawn*, i never said I hated anyone. You might assume that, but the bible explicitly says that homosexuality is wrong. I don't believe you can follow christianity and support that way of living. It is like the Church making murders and theives their pastors... it wouldn't be right, never will be right.
Actually, mr. hypocritical bigot, the bible says nothing about lesbians, just men. My Aunt served in the army, had a long term relationship with a very nice woman (post-service), adopted three nice young kids, and was a very active member in an open and loving methodist church.
Asshole.
I see she decided to avoid half of the bible.... I never said that homosexuals can't be good citizens and can't be loving people, but that doesn't get you into heaven.
Face it, you can not be a devout Christian and say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. You may disagree with me, but people who say such things are the only ones who give Christians a bad name.
Actually, bucko, people like you are the ones who give chrisitians a bad name.
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
If I slap you on the ass, will you turn the other cheek?
- M4H
Maybe.
Then come give me a kiss, big boy.
- M4H
Well, if you are pictured there, i might have to give you a butt whooping, would that be okay?
You like it rough, eh? Let me get my Gimp outfit and handcuffs and we'll have a grand time.
- M4H
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: TravisT
Many methodist churches have been said to be quite accepting to homosexuality. Thank goodness I am not associated with a denomination like that..
Indeed; it's hard to imagine how one could be saved if they stopped hating.
*yawn*, i never said I hated anyone. You might assume that, but the bible explicitly says that homosexuality is wrong. I don't believe you can follow christianity and support that way of living. It is like the Church making murders and theives their pastors... it wouldn't be right, never will be right.
Actually, mr. hypocritical bigot, the bible says nothing about lesbians, just men. My Aunt served in the army, had a long term relationship with a very nice woman (post-service), adopted three nice young kids, and was a very active member in an open and loving methodist church.
Asshole.
I see she decided to avoid half of the bible.... I never said that homosexuals can't be good citizens and can't be loving people, but that doesn't get you into heaven.
Face it, you can not be a devout Christian and say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. You may disagree with me, but people who say such things are the only ones who give Christians a bad name.
Actually, bucko, people like you are the ones who give chrisitians a bad name.
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
Everyone takes small parts out. You interpret the book to justify your intolerance. You interpret the bible to mean that gentle, loving, some even god-fearing, people will go to hell after death because they lived their life, not hiding what they are. That is offensive.
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: TravisT
Many methodist churches have been said to be quite accepting to homosexuality. Thank goodness I am not associated with a denomination like that..
Indeed; it's hard to imagine how one could be saved if they stopped hating.
*yawn*, i never said I hated anyone. You might assume that, but the bible explicitly says that homosexuality is wrong. I don't believe you can follow christianity and support that way of living. It is like the Church making murders and theives their pastors... it wouldn't be right, never will be right.
Actually, mr. hypocritical bigot, the bible says nothing about lesbians, just men. My Aunt served in the army, had a long term relationship with a very nice woman (post-service), adopted three nice young kids, and was a very active member in an open and loving methodist church.
Asshole.
I see she decided to avoid half of the bible.... I never said that homosexuals can't be good citizens and can't be loving people, but that doesn't get you into heaven.
Face it, you can not be a devout Christian and say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. You may disagree with me, but people who say such things are the only ones who give Christians a bad name.
Actually, bucko, people like you are the ones who give chrisitians a bad name.
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
Everyone takes small parts out. You interpret the book to justify your intolerance. You interpret the bible to mean that gentle, loving, some even god-fearing, people will go to hell after death because they lived their life, not hiding what they are. That is offensive.
Everyone has temptations, and just as I mentioned, no one is perfect... The bible is very clear on its stance against homosexuality. Anyway you wish to twist it, it is still very clear that homosexual actions are wrong. Just like stealing is wrong, someone who has a weakness in that area and has the bad habit and was raised that it was not something horribly wrong or was grown up around it, that does not mean that stealing immediately becomes "okay". There are several scriptures in the bible that talks about homosexuality, I would gladly dig them up for you but I believe most people know what the bible says about it...
Why is this so hard for you? I am not trying to put anyone down here, I have my own issues I have to deal with. But please, don't try to confuse the younger people here who might view this thread and want to live their life by Christianity but may be struggling with this problem. Based on the bible, homosexuality is wrong and it is a sin.
So does that means the animals and insects of this world, supposedly God's creations, are imperfect? Some of them exhibit a much higher rate of homosexual or bisexual tendancies than humans.Originally posted by: TravisT
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
Originally posted by: preslove
Well, more open, loving Christians disagree with you.
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: TravisT
Many methodist churches have been said to be quite accepting to homosexuality. Thank goodness I am not associated with a denomination like that..
Indeed; it's hard to imagine how one could be saved if they stopped hating.
*yawn*, i never said I hated anyone. You might assume that, but the bible explicitly says that homosexuality is wrong. I don't believe you can follow christianity and support that way of living. It is like the Church making murders and theives their pastors... it wouldn't be right, never will be right.
Actually, mr. hypocritical bigot, the bible says nothing about lesbians, just men. My Aunt served in the army, had a long term relationship with a very nice woman (post-service), adopted three nice young kids, and was a very active member in an open and loving methodist church.
Asshole.
I see she decided to avoid half of the bible.... I never said that homosexuals can't be good citizens and can't be loving people, but that doesn't get you into heaven.
Face it, you can not be a devout Christian and say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. You may disagree with me, but people who say such things are the only ones who give Christians a bad name.
Actually, bucko, people like you are the ones who give chrisitians a bad name.
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
Everyone takes small parts out. You interpret the book to justify your intolerance. You interpret the bible to mean that gentle, loving, some even god-fearing, people will go to hell after death because they lived their life, not hiding what they are. That is offensive.
Everyone has temptations, and just as I mentioned, no one is perfect... The bible is very clear on its stance against homosexuality. Anyway you wish to twist it, it is still very clear that homosexual actions are wrong. Just like stealing is wrong, someone who has a weakness in that area and has the bad habit and was raised that it was not something horribly wrong or was grown up around it, that does not mean that stealing immediately becomes "okay". There are several scriptures in the bible that talks about homosexuality, I would gladly dig them up for you but I believe most people know what the bible says about it...
Why is this so hard for you? I am not trying to put anyone down here, I have my own issues I have to deal with. But please, don't try to confuse the younger people here who might view this thread and want to live their life by Christianity but may be struggling with this problem. Based on the bible, homosexuality is wrong and it is a sin.
Well, more open, loving Christians disagree with you.
Originally posted by: Eli
So does that means the animals and insects of this world, supposedly God's creations, are imperfect? Some of them exhibit a much higher rate of homosexual or bisexual tendancies than humans.Originally posted by: TravisT
Why? Because I actually tell you what the bible says instead of just taking out small parts that I want to live by? Please understand that I am not saying I am perfect, we all fall and come short of the glory of God. The difference is, is that I'm willing to admit it when I'm sinning and ask for repentance. Homosexuality is wrong based on what the bible says, it has no place in the kingdom of God, sorry if that offends you.
The whole concept of "getting" into heaven is silly. So if you're "bad", you don't get to go to heaven. If you ask for forgiveness, it's all good, though.
Ah, so thats why we have so many crooked priests. Every night when they get home, they say "Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.", and then they can feel comfortable that they too will be getting into heaven.
haha. Right.
What about all the other religions? Look at it from a..... Muslim's point of view. In your mind, go through life as a Muslim. Now, you have a completely different understanding of Heaven, Hell and the rules that go along with them. Now flash back to the Christian lifetime. Who goes to Heaven/Hell? In my opinion, both of you will, depending on how you live your life.
Does it really matter what you believe? No.
If you are a good person, you are a good person. It doesen't matter what you believe. I could believe in the pink easterbunny God and nothing would change. I wouldn't change as a person, and my life wouldn't change. You have to be the change you want to see in your life. Some people seem to be wired to require belief in a power above them to have hope, and there's nothing wrong with that. Apparently I am not one of them.
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: whattaguy
Originally posted by: preslove
I would have no problem with a person like that serving in a church, just like most churches. But if the person knows of their sinful state, and refuses to take actions for their sins...any sin and not just homosexuality...through repentance, I would still embrace them, but also know that serving and taking a leadership role would not be the best place for them.
So raising three orphan boys in a loving *christian* home is akin to murder or any other sin? :roll:
I'm sorry....but I don't understand what you're getting at.
Cliff notes:
My Aunt before succumbing to ovarian cancer = A credit to her country, family, and faith.
You and other "christians" like you = ignorant boobs, spreading intolerance in the name of god's love.
Originally posted by: Nebor
BTW, that boys kissing link is soooo bookmarked.
LOL, enlighten me.Originally posted by: TravisT
You are entitled to your own beliefs. Although, that certainly doesn't mean I agree with you and you are far from what the bible says. Also, just as there are some bad ministers, there are certainly a lot more good ones. And on that note, even ministers do the wrong thing at times....
You are very wrong in a lot of your assumptions though. i'll pray that maybe one of these days your find a good Church home where you have faith in your minister and believe he is under the will of God.
Originally posted by: MillionaireNextDoor
The question should read:
"do real Christian churches support homosexuality?"
The answer should then read:
"no, but they invite the homosexual to learn more about Jesus and His teachings, which requires them to repent/change their lifestyle before they can enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
The same goes for pretty much everyone, whether it be thieves (Jacob was a thief) or murderers (King David was a murderer) or any other sinner; that they be given chances to repent even up to the 7x77th time.
Originally posted by: TravisT
Eli, actually, I think you should enlighten me... I only know of one way to make it to heaven, and that way is spoke about in the bible. I believe there are numerous ways to interpret the bible, I believe that anyway you want to look at it you have to believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, and second, you have to make an attempt at following the word that he put in front of us, the Bible.
Is there another way to get to heaven that you know that I don't?
Originally posted by: TravisT
Eli, actually, I think you should enlighten me... I only know of one way to make it to heaven, and that way is spoke about in the bible. I believe there are numerous ways to interpret the bible, I believe that anyway you want to look at it you have to believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, and second, you have to make an attempt at following the word that he put in front of us, the Bible.
Is there another way to get to heaven that you know that I don't?
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: TravisT
Eli, actually, I think you should enlighten me... I only know of one way to make it to heaven, and that way is spoke about in the bible. I believe there are numerous ways to interpret the bible, I believe that anyway you want to look at it you have to believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, and second, you have to make an attempt at following the word that he put in front of us, the Bible.
Is there another way to get to heaven that you know that I don't?
Heaven is here on earth, waiting within the heart. One needs a faith of some sort to unlock that heaven. When I see a good Christian, I seem them living with that heaven. When I see a bad one, they are usually talking about rules, bounderies, evil, and life after death.
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TravisT
Eli, actually, I think you should enlighten me... I only know of one way to make it to heaven, and that way is spoke about in the bible. I believe there are numerous ways to interpret the bible, I believe that anyway you want to look at it you have to believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, and second, you have to make an attempt at following the word that he put in front of us, the Bible.
Is there another way to get to heaven that you know that I don't?
Islam
Hinduism
Buddhism
Judaism
Sikhism
Baha'i
Confucianism
Jainism
Shintoism
Wicca
Zoroastrianism
- M4H
You do not believe in the same Heaven and Hell that I do.Originally posted by: TravisT
Eli, actually, I think you should enlighten me... I only know of one way to make it to heaven, and that way is spoke about in the bible. I believe there are numerous ways to interpret the bible, I believe that anyway you want to look at it you have to believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, and second, you have to make an attempt at following the word that he put in front of us, the Bible.
Is there another way to get to heaven that you know that I don't?