Whats the deal?

[sammy1234]

sorry. It is not B.S. as I said before the chip and m.b. is fried. So I cant show you anything. But the set-up was complex. I had removed the fan from the vapochill micro and added liquid cooling. plus an external air conditioner blowing directly into the case. The OC is most definitly possible. And like i said before i wanted to see how much I could get from an overclock and it wasn't much. I did not maintain that clock for long. It was lowered to 2.52Ghz for most of it's life.

Even though the article is 1 year old it was relevant to the discussion, and it contains still current information.

 

[morkman100]

Originally posted by: sammy1234
Oh and if your grade school level reading skills arent up to snuff, I said that I only got a slight increase in performance. Not a slight overclock.

You got a slight increase in performancein in what? MS Word? Try something where the CPU speed is paramount, like encoding video or compressing files. Was it a game? Games are GPU-limited after a certain CPU speed. Look at the countless # of benchmarks done by websites that should graphs of all this info (GPU vs. CPU vs. Resolution). You'll notice that faster CPU speeds do not help much after a certain threshold is reached (in gaming). The fact that your computer with a 7900GT was faster in games than your buddy with his 7800gtx is not suprising, despite his faster processor.

but oh well...

have a good one.

 

[Luckyboy1]

1xx socket 939 opterons are the same chips as A64/X2, just cherry picked like the others said. No architectural differences except cherry picking allows them to run at a lower voltage and reach higher OCs.

Thank you!

Now, a little less name calling and a bit more information is just what I've been looking for here! Call me picky, but as much as I want to believe in what someone's concerns, you lose credibility when the name calling starts, regardless of cause or reason or supposed justification.

Also, your cooling techniques were incomplete at best. When people ask me...

Was the water needed?

Was the oversized radiator needed with four 120 mm fans on it?

Was the 24 amp Peltier needed?

Was the extra power supply needed even though you already had a stout power supply for the system?

Was the stout power supply needed for the system?

Was the full sized case needed?

Was air on the RAM needed?

Was water cooling the Northbridge needed?

Was fan and heatsink cooling of the Southbridge needed?

Were heatsinks on the mosfets needed?

Was cleaning up the cables in the case needed?

Was having a commercial grade wall outlet needed?

Was having a surge protector less than 3 years old needed?


My answer was...

That depends on how far you want to reliably go in overclocking and in the end, the answer to all is yes!

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: Luckyboy1
1xx socket 939 opterons are the same chips as A64/X2, just cherry picked like the others said. No architectural differences except cherry picking allows them to run at a lower voltage and reach higher OCs.

Thank you!

Now, a little less name calling and a bit more information is just what I've been looking for here! Call me picky, but as much as I want to believe in what someone's concerns, you lose credibility when the name calling starts, regardless of cause or reason or supposed justification.

Also, your cooling techniques were incomplete at best. When people ask me...

Was the water needed?

Was the oversized radiator needed with four 120 mm fans on it?

Was the 24 amp Peltier needed?

Was the extra power supply needed even though you already had a stout power supply for the system?

Was the stout power supply needed for the system?

Was the full sized case needed?

Was air on the RAM needed?

Was water cooling the Northbridge needed?

Was fan and heatsink cooling of the Southbridge needed?

Were heatsinks on the mosfets needed?

Was cleaning up the cables in the case needed?

Was having a commercial grade wall outlet needed?

Was having a surge protector less than 3 years old needed?


My answer was...

That depends on how far you want to reliably go in overclocking and in the end, the answer to all is yes!

I would say no to your last two...

 

[morkman100]

"your a moron."

I hope the irony doesn't escape you...

"as I said before the chip and m.b. is fried."

ahhh.. no you didn't. you said that after an hour, you experienced stability problems. then you said that it lasted 1 year less than non-OC'ed cpu's. you didn't mention that you fried your MB/CPU, but that explains your expertise on the subject of overclocking.

"I had removed the fan from the vapochill micro and added liquid cooling. plus an external air conditioner blowing directly into the case."

That's much different than... "My own experience involves overclocking a 3400+ 754 to 3.2 Ghz using the Asetek VapoChill Micro."

have a good one.

 

[Luckyboy1]

I'd say read the end of Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users before making your mind up on that one because...

Garbage in = Garbage out even in power!


Now, as far as the whole overclocking don't do much thing goes, my answer again is the adult diaper answer... it Depends!

Go steal on the internet like everyone else besides me and 50,000 other chumps the combined install of Forgotten Battles/Ace Expansion Pack/Pacific Fighters patched to the 4.04 version. Set it to maximum eye candy settings and remember to turn application prefference off and go to HyperLobby and get a game in. You'll find those with as capable or more capable a system are dummying down the eye candy so that when they shoot in this near real time critical game, their shot lands where the server thinks the enemy plane is, not where your choppy game thinks it is. In the end, you will hate the game like that. It is a game that definately benefits from overclocking and is very, very CPU intnesive trying to calculate all those math curves that mimmic reality.

 

[Buck Naked]

Originally posted by: sammy1234
Thank you for your reply. I do see that the 1xx series are signifigantly cheaper for dual core and, it is true that they are more stable for overclocking.

/thread

Originally posted by: sammy1234
I am a hard line, single core advocate. I dont trust all that new fangled stuff.

No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer right?

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: Luckyboy1
I'd say read the end of Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users before making your mind up on that one because...

Garbage in = Garbage out even in power!

Do you work for Monster?


You do realize that a PSU is also a voltage/Current "conditioner" right?

 

[modedepe]

Originally posted by: sammy1234
sorry. It is not B.S. as I said before the chip and m.b. is fried. So I cant show you anything. But the set-up was complex. I had removed the fan from the vapochill micro and added liquid cooling. plus an external air conditioner blowing directly into the case. The OC is most definitly possible. And like i said before i wanted to see how much I could get from an overclock and it wasn't much. I did not maintain that clock for long. It was lowered to 2.52Ghz for most of it's life.

Even though the article is 1 year old it was relevant to the discussion, and it contains still current information.

Just out of curiosity, what voltage did it take to get to 3.2GHz?

 

[Luckyboy1]

Hey Buck, I think we have one of those www.acompletewasteofspace.com people on our hands here or something remarkably like that. They think they are wasting our time and having fun doing it. Still, I've learned something from this supposedly CWOS thread and I hope others have as well. so in the end, their purpose is easily defeated so long as we stay on the mark!

 

[Luckyboy1]

Yes, conditioner and all that rot! I'm well aware! I'm also aware of the issues brought up in the Guide that override all that slight advantage, so go give it a read before deciding.

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
You do realize that a PSU is also a voltage/Current "conditioner" right?

You do realize your talking to someone with so much deliberate ignorance it's formed a tangible solid brick wall around them right?

Originally posted by: Buck Naked
No one will need more than 637 terabytes of memory for a personal computer right?

Fixed.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: Luckyboy1
Yes, conditioner and all that rot! I'm well aware! I'm also aware of the issues brought up in the Guide that override all that slight advantage, so go give it a read before deciding.

I read the power part through and I still think you go overboard.

Lets not worry about the many MILES of powerline it took to get to my computer. If I put a commercial grade wall socket for my computer to plug into all will be good!

Get real. Measure the resistance difference between a connection that is incredibly tight and one that is normal and tell me what the difference is.

Not to mention, engineers design computer components to work within a fairly large safety factor. The tightness of a wall socket is not going to make or break your computer.

"Go out and buy an new surge protector"

ORRRR if it really was corroded enough(which it shouldn't be in a few years time) you could just insert and remove the plug a few times to remove any that has built up.

Your "guide" is all talk and no measurements.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
You do realize that a PSU is also a voltage/Current "conditioner" right?

You do realize your talking to someone with so much deliberate ignorance it's formed a tangible solid brick wall around them right?

Originally posted by: Buck Naked
No one will need more than 637 terabytes of memory for a personal computer right?

Fixed.

Yes, its futile I know...

 

[Luckyboy1]

Tell you what, name calling aside, do this if I'm not to be believed. Go over to this forum...

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/49310655

Ask for a Mod called Bearcat. Me and Bear are chatting via coms one night and he's telling me of his cooling troubles. We go over all he's done and it looks absolutely complete. I finally ask him...

How old's your power strip?

I dunnow, about 7-10 years old, but what does that have to do with the price of eggs?

You work on medical scanning gear right?

Yes.

Ever have an electro-mechanical switch test good and be bad?

Yes, all the time!

Why?

Well, the switch no longer posesses the ability to complete the connection and hold it completely under load. There's just enough of a drop to cause trouble.

Ok, and a wall outlet or surge protector, how does it connect to your power supply?

With a standard 120 volt outlet dummy! Lucky, where's this nonsense going?

Ok, does the wall outlet just passively connect or does it have some spring pressure?

It has some spring pressure.

And does it have nice, shiny connection surfaces?

Well, it used to, but to tell you the truth I haven't looked at it in years. Never gave it a thought!

And did you also know that most surge protectors lose much of their ability to protect after about 3 years?

No, I didn't know that; where did you hear that?

Last time? At Tom's Hardware.

I'll be back in 20 minutes!


Bear logs on and says...

4 C drop just from replacing the power strip!


Now folks, I can't say you'll get same results. In fact, I can't even say you'll get any results because like the Guide explains more fully, there are factors beyond this that play into it. That's why metering is not an absolute and neither are expensive solutions that ignore the basics.

 

[sammy1234]

morkman100 you are a jerk.

You seem to think you know everything.

You are the only one who thiks that the overclock is not possible. Just because you have no understanding of the english language and cant seem to read an article or thread fully, doesn't mean anything. you can take comments as they are offer advice, present factual information or statistics and give possitive comments or stay out of the frey. You just sound like an jerk who needs a friend. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Green Man]

Sammy:

I don't think you got to 3200MHz on a skt 754 either, but whatever...who cares.
What I really want know is what do you mean that opterons don't sync? I don't understand what you are saying.

Lucky: most people use a UPS. I don't really think the wall outlet matters too much. It seems to me like you are just trying to spam your website into every thread and say the user needs a new wall outlet and surge strip no matter what the problem is.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Luckyboy1
4 C drop just from replacing the power strip!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: morkman100
"your a moron."

I hope the irony doesn't escape you...

LOL

 

[alimoalem]

Originally posted by: Green Man
Sammy:

I don't think you got to 3200MHz on a skt 754 either, but whatever...who cares.
What I really want know is what do you mean that opterons don't sync? I don't understand what you are saying.

Lucky: most people use a UPS. I don't really think the wall outlet matters too much. It seems to me like you are just trying to spam your website into every thread and say the user needs a new wall outlet and surge strip no matter what the problem is.

well said.

sammy, you must understand there's a difference bewteen socket 939 and 940. it's like saying the s754 3200 is the same thing as the s939 3200. if you're so much against the dual core cpus, why don't you get a single core opteron? get the 144 (1.8GHz), 146 (2.0 Ghz), 148 (2.2 GHz), or higher CPU, just as long as the model number is below 165

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: sammy1234
woah, i'm no troll. I just know from my expeience with building computers and networks that the opteron is primarilly a multitasking processor. I dont know much about it's overclocking abilities, but I do know that overcloking can only give slight performance increases. My own experience involves overclocking a 3400+ 754 to 3.2 Ghz using the Asetek VapoChill Micro. It woked but was only good for an hour of hard use before it was plauged by stability problems. The life of the processor was also cut short by almost one year compared to my other non-oc'd CPU. And for what a 10fps gain in half life? It wasnt worth it. I have looked into opterons and have seen the 280 at 925$, doesnt sound like a big saver, especially when you can get a more powerfull and stable FX60 for less than 100$ more.
My friend who is also my neighbor and pc building partner paid the big bucks for the FX60 and has had less than top of the line performance from it. I have a 4000+ which I run at 2.6, we compared speeds after I got my 7900gt's, he was running 7800gtx's. Amazingly I beat his top fps by 20. He maintianed more of a stable read only fluctuating between 20fps while mine went between 80fps all the way to 158! He maintained 120fps the entire time, this was in BF2. We discovered that his processor was only running one physically. The other was just idle the majority of the time. Which backed up my suspicion that the dual core processors will not be optimally used untill VISTA is released and dual core is adequitly supported.

this is amazing considering that bf2 is fps locked at 100fps....

 

[w00t]

They are built for stabilty they are like cherry picked x2's that are higher quality than oc very well they are not made for consumers like us.

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: sammy1234

However, I've yet to grasp anything in the responses to the original question about core design and synching.

Thank you!

Basically, dual-core is like having two engines in your car. That doesn't automatically mean you go from 70MPH to 140MPH, does it? They are two seperate CPUs with a common timing mechanism. I'm sorry that CPU0 2400MHz CPU1 2400MHz not equal 4800MHz, but it never has, and never will.

 

[Luckyboy1]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Luckyboy1
4 C drop just from replacing the power strip!

Howie, I noticed that you... in fact none of the other bed wetters here on that subject have bothered to post over at the Community Help forum to verify this with Bearcat. What's wrong... truth get in the way of a belief system?

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: sammy1234

However, I've yet to grasp anything in the responses to the original question about core design and synching.

Thank you!

Basically, dual-core is like having two engines in your car. That doesn't automatically mean you go from 70MPH to 140MPH, does it? They are two seperate CPUs with a common timing mechanism. I'm sorry that CPU0 2400MHz CPU1 2400MHz not equal 4800MHz, but it never has, and never will.

Correct. The analogy I like to use is a processor is like a car, if you have two of them, you dont get to where you are going faster, you can just carry more "data" at one time.