whats wrong with Mac's?

[biostud]

Originally posted by: sunase
Well remember in the Mac world right-clicking is only for power users who buy additional hardware. So even if Macs had a way to do it quicker using a right-click like in Windows (and they might, not a Mac user myself) they still have to design/write directions for the ones who aren't advanced enough for right-clicks.

right click on Mac....... hahahahahahahah (most Macs are equipped with one button mouse, even though you can get other with more buttons)

 

[thirdlegstump]

It has nothing to do with confusion with having more than 1 button, Mac users are just used to having 1 button and can do their job without another button. Sometimes it can even get in the way when you're rapidly clicking when you're cloning parts in Photoshop or in other workflows where rapid clicking is required. It's also a simple of elegance and beauty. The line that forms between two or more (!!) buttons makes the mouse look rather unsightly. It looks like a big butt.

 

[Gnosis]

I think you're just too stupid to have more than one button...

 

[jose]

Don't love them or hate them, wouldn't buy one. If you gave one, I'd sell it asap because I don't have any use for it.
Ok , I'd give it to charity..

Regards,
Jose

 

[OMGoddess]

This thread is getting funny...

 

[beatle]

I'll just post instead of reading the whole thread.

Most people who are unfamiliar with them have had to use them to do work at one point or another. As they are unfamiliar with the interface, they become frustrated and say things like "If this were a PC I'd be done by now!" and other things. They'll bash the school for buying hundreds of Macs, then spread this dissent to keep other people from buying them in hopes that the company will just die and the computer world will later become Mac-free.

I'm one of those people, but I usually keep my mouth shut.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: biostud666
found it on a wallpaper section at some site:

For PCs:
1) right-click and select "Set as Background"

For Macs:
1) save the image to your Mac
2) open the Appearance control panel
3) select the Desktop tab
4) drag the image on top of the control panel
5) click the Set Desktop button
6) repeat "Macs are easier" 5 times

hah. However, if you can't use anything but BMPs for the background, then that becomes
1) save the image to your HDD.
2) open display properties in control panel.
3) select background tab.
4) click browse, and open the image.
5) save image as BMP.
6) click browse and select image.
7) click apply.
8) Wonder why Windows 2000 needs Active Desktop for JPG/PNG backgrounds, but XP doesn't.

 

[OMGoddess]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: biostud666
found it on a wallpaper section at some site:

For PCs:
1) right-click and select "Set as Background"

For Macs:
1) save the image to your Mac
2) open the Appearance control panel
3) select the Desktop tab
4) drag the image on top of the control panel
5) click the Set Desktop button
6) repeat "Macs are easier" 5 times

hah. However, if you can't use anything but BMPs for the background, then that becomes
1) save the image to your HDD.
2) open display properties in control panel.
3) select background tab.
4) click browse, and open the image.
5) save image as BMP.
6) click browse and select image.
7) click apply.
8) Wonder why Windows 2000 needs Active Desktop for JPG/PNG backgrounds, but XP doesn't.

What are you talking about? Back in W98 I was using it the same way as XP.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: OMGoddess

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: biostud666
found it on a wallpaper section at some site:

For PCs:
1) right-click and select "Set as Background"

For Macs:
1) save the image to your Mac
2) open the Appearance control panel
3) select the Desktop tab
4) drag the image on top of the control panel
5) click the Set Desktop button
6) repeat "Macs are easier" 5 times

hah. However, if you can't use anything but BMPs for the background, then that becomes
1) save the image to your HDD.
2) open display properties in control panel.
3) select background tab.
4) click browse, and open the image.
5) save image as BMP.
6) click browse and select image.
7) click apply.
8) Wonder why Windows 2000 needs Active Desktop for JPG/PNG backgrounds, but XP doesn't.

What are you talking about? Back in W98 I was using it the same way as XP.

I never used Win98 for myself, so I wouldn't know. Try it in Windows 2000. Without active desktop enabled, it no worky. In XP, it works fine w/ active desktop off.

 

[OMGoddess]

Really? Now that's weird. I don't have 2k to try though. Some other time I gues..

 

[LtPage1]

theyre for different things. macs are much more intuitive, and more pleasant to use, overall. theyre more stable in part because of OS X, but mostly because its not worth it to write a virus for a platform that only 5% of the world uses.
theyve got a pretty good gaming community thats sprung up within the last few years, but if youre looking for cheap performance or quick releases, you still need a pc.

i grew up with macs, but i dont think i could do without my windows box now. when i go to college, ill take a mac laptop and eventually build myself another pc. they can coexist peacefully.

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: kimchee411

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
One thing that really annoys me about apple is that they just can't admit they're wrong about some things.

For example: the taskbar. Basically every operating system in the world has one except for MacOS. Since you have a rectangular screen, it just makes perfect sense to have a customizable bar at the bottom of the screen where you can put shortcuts, open windows, menus, etc. But if Mac put it in now, it would be admiting that after all these years, MS was right and Apple was wrong. So they don't even give you the option of using a taskbar, it would hurt Mac Pride too much.

Same thing with the one button mouse. I know you can use a two button mouse, but they don't come with them and you can't get a laptop with 2 mouse buttons. Their claim that it's "less confusing for users" is obvious bs but there's no way their gonna switch after pushing the one buttom mouse for so long.

Regarding the taskbar - it's called the DOCK.
Regarding the mouse - you can connect a 2 button mouse to a laptop or command?-click for options. Don't even try to flame the TI books. I've owned all sorts of Dells, Toshibas, Sonys, and almost every Thinkpad under the sun (which I do love) but still I must say the TI books are the best, period.

You still can't put all your open apps/windows on the dock, which is arguably the most important function of the taskbar. As for the mouse, the point isn't that having only one buttom is a huge disadvantage, because it's not. The point is that there is NO advantage to it, and the only reason apple still uses one buttom mice is to distinguish themselves from pcs.

 

[Wahsapa]

sorry, im late... does anybody want to restate and sum up the issues people are still talking about?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: dkozloski
A MAC is a computerlike device for the dimwitted.

Errr... Anand writes his AT articles on a Mac.

Originally posted by: dkozloski
People who prefer MACs, prefer John Kerry. What more damning evidence do you need?

Errr... Dubya uses a Mac.

 

[Wahsapa]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: dkozloski
A MAC is a computerlike device for the dimwitted.

Errr... Anand writes his AT articles on a Mac.

Originally posted by: dkozloski
People who prefer MACs, prefer John Kerry. What more damning evidence do you need?

Errr... Dubya uses a Mac.

OS 9!! jeez, i hope thats an old picture...

and you(dkozloski) can't even spell Mac right, thats just sad

 

[gsellis]

If anyone is getting worked up over any of this. The flamebait warnings at the beginning have been validated. OP has been banned... Twice now.

Edit - linkage

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
You still can't put all your open apps/windows on the dock, which is arguably the most important function of the taskbar. As for the mouse, the point isn't that having only one buttom is a huge disadvantage, because it's not. The point is that there is NO advantage to it, and the only reason apple still uses one buttom mice is to distinguish themselves from pcs.

Well, you can shrink the apps to the Taskbar. And of course, there is Exposé, which I think is one of the most important additions to the GUI in recent times.

As for the one button mouse, the one advantage I can see is that UI designers are forced to design around it. Consequently, it seems to me that for most (but not all) Mac programs, it's easier to navigate using just the one button than it would be using a similar program on another OS. The OS X designers tend to try to stay away from the right click, which too often gets built-up as a garbage can of extra functions. But yeah, otherwise, there isn't really an advantage to having a single mouse button. I have no problems using it though, probably partially for the reason above. When I got my first Mac I thought I'd use two-button mice, but I never do anymore.

 

[gobucks]

Things that are nice about macs
1) They look nice
2) They run a few things very well
3) Those cinema displays are sweet, although they are expensive as hell
4) OSX is pretty nice

Things that suck
1) Interface is kinda weird from a windows perspective
2) Expensive - I could build the equivalent of a $3000 mac for around $1500, AND have better stuff like video and RAM
3) No DIY - can't build you're own system. It would be like if the only way to buy have a PC was to get a Dell, and they NEVER had sales, or even good prices.
4) No choice in hardware - You can't choose different hardware, like AMD vs. Intel, or different brands or ram, or hard drives, or anything like that.
5)Crappy hardware, even on best systems - For $3000, you'd think you were getting the best in everything. You see dual 2.5GHz G5s, and start drooling. Then, you see the rest - only 512MB Ram, and it's CAS3? A 9600XT for video? A 160GB SATA hard drive, when a PC user could buy a 300GB Diamondmax 10 with 16MB buffer for just $200? You've gotta be kidding! Plus upgrades are rediculous, with an upgrade to 2GB their crappy ram costing you $1050!
6) PCs can now usually beat Macs in the areas that they used to be the best in, and for a fraction of the cost. The idea that PCs can't compete with Macs for video editing and such is just no longer true.
7) This is the most important reason - Hippies with ponytails who drive volkswagon bugs and wear berkenstocks like Macs, and that's a good enough reason not to buy one for me

 

[Teuton]

I loved my Amiga too. But when it came to exchanging files and playing online games with friends I had to conform. I love the MAC hardware but I need Windows software.

 

[OMGoddess]

I can't believe this thread is still alive. Funny, how PC guys are coming up with valid points, yet the Mac guys are saying either 1. PC's suck, 2. Macs are awesome.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: gobucks
Things that suck
1) Interface is kinda weird from a windows perspective

Cuz it's not Windows?

2) Expensive - I could build the equivalent of a $3000 mac for around $1500, AND have better stuff like video and RAM

There is a deal in the Hot Deals forum for an $850 iBook.

3) No DIY - can't build you're own system. It would be like if the only way to buy have a PC was to get a Dell, and they NEVER had sales, or even good prices.

No DIY (just like no DIY Dell), but see above.

4) No choice in hardware - You can't choose different hardware, like AMD vs. Intel, or different brands or ram, or hard drives, or anything like that.

You can use different brands of RAM, hard drives, and stuff like that. I use Crucial RAM myself, or else just get RAM from the local stores.

5)Crappy hardware, even on best systems - For $3000, you'd think you were getting the best in everything. You see dual 2.5GHz G5s, and start drooling. Then, you see the rest - only 512MB Ram, and it's CAS3? A 9600XT for video? A 160GB SATA hard drive, when a PC user could buy a 300GB Diamondmax 10 with 16MB buffer for just $200? You've gotta be kidding! Plus upgrades are rediculous, with an upgrade to 2GB their crappy ram costing you $1050!

You can install your own hard drives and RAM. See above. For the video there are several options, including a Radeon 9800XT, GeForce 6800 GT, and a GeForce 6800 Ultra with dual dual-link DVI. FYI, the last card doesn't exist on the PC side, AFAIK. That card allows you to run dual 30" displays, for a desktop of 5120x1600. (!)

6) PCs can now usually beat Macs in the areas that they used to be the best in, and for a fraction of the cost. The idea that PCs can't compete with Macs for video editing and such is just no longer true.

It's about personal preference and overall functionality. PCs are fast of course, but personally, I'm not into DIY game machines. It's about the whole package. There are some nice packages on the PC side too though obviously.

7) This is the most important reason - Hippies with ponytails who drive volkswagon bugs and wear berkenstocks like Macs, and that's a good enough reason not to buy one for me

Heh. I don't have a ponytail, drive a bug, or wear birkenstocks. BTW, see above for people who also use Macs.

 

[OMGoddess]

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7) This is the most important reason - Hippies with ponytails who drive volkswagon bugs and wear berkenstocks like Macs, and that's a good enough reason not to buy one for me

Heh. I don't have a ponytail, drive a bug, or wear birkenstocks. BTW, see above for people who also use Macs.

Actually of all the mac users I've ever met only one was never a hippie.

 

[Teuton]

Again. The hardware is great. Software is very limited. I can't play Battlefront, BF 1942, BF Vietnam, Tiger Woods 2004, Trackmania, Age of Kings,....etc...etc and I think the highest percentage of home computer users are playing games.

In the business world a high majority of the software for engineering/CAD is PC based.

Apple needs to push to get stuff ported or come up with some extreme have to have software (ei iPOD) to expand the customer base.

 

[ViRGE]

I can't play, BF 1942

wrong

Age of Kings

wrong

 

[Teuton]

OK...the point is that there is alot more software that you can't play or use on a Mac. So you have 2 out of every 20 titles. Is Halflife 2 coming next month on the Mac? What about Halo 2?

Like I said, I love the hardware and the OS but......software is not there for me.