whats wrong with Mac's?

[imported_Lucifer]

Hey Dopefiend,

Many people do think the Mac is expensive, but since I am a Mac person, I am willing to pay $3000 for the G5. I know you think I am crazy, but it has to do with being a Mac person.

I have no problem with the PC, but the one thing that angers me is that when someone posts a topic that has to do with Macs in these forums, the PC people tend to bash them. Many people prefer the Mac platform, and it doesnt seem that many people here respect that. Thats why I jump into these threads, because its kind of dumb to attack the Mac with things like "I hate the one button mouse" and "Lack of software." The whole "Lack of software" thing is BS, and no one said you have to use a one button mouse.

I think your post, Dopefiend, was very constructive, and I appreciate that.

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: gobucks
Things that are nice about macs
1) They look nice
2) They run a few things very well
3) Those cinema displays are sweet, although they are expensive as hell
4) OSX is pretty nice

Things that suck
1) Interface is kinda weird from a windows perspective
2) Expensive - I could build the equivalent of a $3000 mac for around $1500, AND have better stuff like video and RAM
3) No DIY - can't build you're own system. It would be like if the only way to buy have a PC was to get a Dell, and they NEVER had sales, or even good prices.
4) No choice in hardware - You can't choose different hardware, like AMD vs. Intel, or different brands or ram, or hard drives, or anything like that.
5)Crappy hardware, even on best systems - For $3000, you'd think you were getting the best in everything. You see dual 2.5GHz G5s, and start drooling. Then, you see the rest - only 512MB Ram, and it's CAS3? A 9600XT for video? A 160GB SATA hard drive, when a PC user could buy a 300GB Diamondmax 10 with 16MB buffer for just $200? You've gotta be kidding! Plus upgrades are rediculous, with an upgrade to 2GB their crappy ram costing you $1050!
6) PCs can now usually beat Macs in the areas that they used to be the best in, and for a fraction of the cost. The idea that PCs can't compete with Macs for video editing and such is just no longer true.
7) This is the most important reason - Hippies with ponytails who drive volkswagon bugs and wear berkenstocks like Macs, and that's a good enough reason not to buy one for me

You are my new god. Unless your my original god and didn't realize, then I am sorry. I just love #7, I thought I was the only one who felt that way!

 

[imported_Lucifer]

I honestly dont know why #7 has anything to do with Mac users in the first place.
If you have nothing constructive to post, please dont post anything.

BTW, you need to go back to page 7 and read what drag has posted, a very constructive and helpful post.

 

[Philippine Mango]

I read all of the pages, just remember this. I will most if not all the time ignore mac users just because every one I have encountered happens to be annoying. IMO mac people are generally stupid simple minded people.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

I dont know what Mac users have to do with being stupid simple minded people. Why do you say this? Is it because we prefer to use Macs? Do you not respect that we prefer the Mac platform?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: ViRGE

WTF? Why the hell are you trolling then?

Because there are already 42 threads with this same subject from this year alone. Each of these threads has the same arguments posted ad nauseam. It is certainly easier to read one of those 42 threads than to have people repost the same material here for the 43rd time.

I, for one, welcome my thread-trolling overlords!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA, thread-trolling overlords welcome YOU!

 

[fuzzynavel]

The lack of software thing seems to be a valid argument in the UK.....not that much call for Macs over here....but hey if that's what rocks your boat and it does the job that you want better than a PC then I say this argument is over

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

I have no problem with the PC, but the one thing that angers me is that when someone posts a topic that has to do with Macs in these forums, the PC people tend to bash them.

Duh, Because this is a PC forum... Go to a Mac forum and post how much better a PC is and see how rabidly you get chewed up there.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Duh, Because this is a PC forum... Go to a Mac forum and post how much better a PC is and see how rabidly you get chewed up there.

And is it difficult for you people to respect the platform we use? Most of the people here that tend to bash the Mac have not used one or not used one long enough to make stupid assumptions. And no one here is saying how much better a Mac is. I certainly am not. Its just I prefer the Mac platform because I had a much better experience with them.

 

[Subhuman25]

Yeah,but coming into a Porsche forum ranting and raving about how awsome your Yugo is ... come on man,get real.
I'm betting you use AOL as your ISP dontcha

 

[Philippine Mango]

I've had to use a mac for a long period of time, my schooling years. I have no respect for mac users and thats simply my opinion. I just find it funny that there are people out there who use a mac for the actual purpose of work! :laugh:

 

[silent tone]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
I honestly dont know why #7 has anything to do with Mac users in the first place.
If you have nothing constructive to post, please dont post anything.

BTW, you need to go back to page 7 and read what drag has posted, a very constructive and helpful post.

You missed the smiley.

I actually think OSX is pretty nice. However I don't like Apple the company or the average mac user I've encountered. They are usually elitist and arrogant.

 

[bluestrobe]

Here's one hit for the Mac:

OSX and its limited installability. OSX only can be installed on a late rev. G3 processor or newer system with USB capability. I have a G3 550MHz Umax SuperMac that originally shipped with a 200 MHz card and 512mb ram. However due to the limitations of OSX I can never install this on my system. I could do it with a hack and OS 9.2.2 but you know what? I need a hack for OS 9.2.2 since that won't install due to its limited installability either! OS9.1 is currently loaded. So in a lateral comparison, it?s like I have Win98 but I can't install Win98SE because of my hardware and what Macintosh thinks I should have installed! Sorry guys but I could load Win XP on a 200MHz Pentium MMX if I wanted to. Macintosh enjoys their niche because controlling hardware/software as they do; they can force users to upgrade only based on the OS version. If you don't see it this way then you are blinded by the glow on your G5 case. It should always be the choice of the user on what they want installed and if it runs slow and sluggish, their fault. I built up my G3 Mac clone to use OSX and learned that I couldn't use it because I wasn't up to par with the current Mac "trend" of what they want me to have, although my setup could easily have run OSX.

People say Microsoft is bad compared to Macintosh, but who forces their users to buy their hardware so they can use the latest software? Win XP runs fine on my 233 MHz P2 but I can't go above OS 9.1 on my 550 MHz G3.

When debating a computing platform, look at the past/current/future rather than the accomplishments of the last 2 years for a certain platform and then use it to bash the entire life of another one.

As for most PC users not knowing their hardware configurations, tell me what the gap is on your spark plugs in your car? Using this as an argument why Macs are better is saying we should go back to the Communist days where we all have one type of car and computer because we are too lazy to find out the specifics of it.

Computer (PC) companies don't have to rely on looks to sell a product such as Macintosh does. Dell, HP/Compaq, and Gateway have been riding the same general design lines for the past couple of years with some improvements. They don't sell their systems based on the shock value it has but because its functionability. Most Macintosh ad campaigns have been based on looks, not functionability (clam shell, graphical designs embedded into the case, giant G3 or G4 in the side of the case). A computer could look like crap but if its fast, then that?s all that matters.

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

And is it difficult for you people to respect the platform we use? Most of the people here that tend to bash the Mac have not used one or not used one long enough to make stupid assumptions.

I use macs everyday at work..We use them for CAD programming. I personally prefer to have PC's at home, Though I have had many Mac's ranging from SE30 through G3..

And no one here is saying how much better a Mac is.

For the vast majority in this forum, They're not.

Its just I prefer the Mac platform because I had a much better experience with them.

Then use what your happy with and don't expect a forum full of PC users/enthusiasts to be jumping up and down with excitement when the subject of Mac's gets brought up.

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Here's one hit for the Mac:

I have a G3 550MHz Umax SuperMac that originally shipped with a 200 MHz card and 512mb ram. However due to the limitations of OSX I can never install this on my system.

And you wouldn't want to either... OSX on anything slower than 1Ghz G4 is sluggish as hell.

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8 And you wouldn't want to either... OSX on anything slower than 1Ghz G4 is sluggish as hell.

They are Ram resource hogs too. The models I seen demonstrated had well over 1.5GB of RAM and they wouldn't let me see how it performed with only 512MB of ram.

I was told by the Macintosh guy, "These systems are high end and not designed to run on lower specs such as PC users have to contend with."

AKA Macs can't be bare bone and usable at the same time!

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Yeah,but coming into a Porsche forum ranting and raving about how awsome your Yugo is ... come on man,get real.
I'm betting you use AOL as your ISP dontcha

Can you quote me when I said my Mac is awesome? I never bragged about my Mac. My ISP is SBC, and you dont know enough about me to make assumptions like this.

Then use what your happy with and don't expect a forum full of PC users/enthusiasts to be jumping up and down with excitement when the subject of Mac's gets brought up.

Why would I expect PC users to be jumping up and down with excitement? Where did this come from? Because I asked you to respect our platform?

I've had to use a mac for a long period of time, my schooling years. I have no respect for mac users and thats simply my opinion. I just find it funny that there are people out there who use a mac for the actual purpose of work!

You dont respect Mac users because you had to use a Mac for your schooling years? If so, thats the stupidest reason to dislike Mac users.

 

[Insomniak]

My list would be:


1) OVERPRICED
2) Closed Box
3) Jack Dink Marketshare (and thus less variety in software)
4) OVERPRICED
5) Closed Box


Plus they make some real bone-head decisions when designing their hardware. Do you realize powerbooks place their built-in wireless reciever behind the metal portion of the case? IBM, on the other hand, places the antennas alongside the screen in their thinkpads. My housemate just purchased a $3000+ PowerBook because he's a sad devotee of that company - and his wireless reception from our Linksys router is crap....2 bars if he's in the same room, 1 inconsistent bar anywhere else in the house.

My other housemate's 3 year old thinkpad has 5 bars out in the back yard.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
My list would be:


1) OVERPRICED
2) Closed Box
3) Jack Dink Marketshare (and thus less variety in software)
4) OVERPRICED
5) Closed Box

same here. pretty much they cost more for the same hardware, perform worse, and don't let you customize it do to hardware and lack of software

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Well, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and I respect that. But I dont mind paying the $3000 for the G5, since I am a Mac person.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Here's one hit for the Mac:

I have a G3 550MHz Umax SuperMac that originally shipped with a 200 MHz card and 512mb ram. However due to the limitations of OSX I can never install this on my system.

And you wouldn't want to either... OSX on anything slower than 1Ghz G4 is sluggish as hell.

I digress, I own a 12" G4 PowerBook that runs at 867mhz, and it works just fine with OS X; I've used 500mhz G4 systems that work just fine with OS X. It's not as light as WinXP can be(nor does Apple want it to be that way), but saying it's "sluggish as hell" on a sub 1ghz system is a pretty sizable overstatement.

As for Bluestrobe's problem, he has a clone computer; Apple has no love for the clones.

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Then use what your happy with and don't expect a forum full of PC users/enthusiasts to be jumping up and down with excitement when the subject of Mac's gets brought up.

Why would I expect PC users to be jumping up and down with excitement? Where did this come from? Because I asked you to respect our platform?

Did I say I didn't respect the Mac platform? Did I not say that I use them daily? Did I not say that I have had many Mac's? Want full Mac respect? Go Here @ Everymac or Here @ MacNN forums.

 

[i3rYs0n]

1) macs are great as laptops
2) battery life was always better than windows lappys, but with centrino some companies like ibm are cathing up (i think rated @ 5.5 - 6 hrs)
3) Expose is the best thing evar! (makes working on multiple docs, images, programs a breeze) (also much better than the start bar)
3.5) Expose doesn't lag. (Ex. if you have a program froze and can't even select it expose will still move it out of the way.
4) desktops are absolutely great (starting @ g5) they are extremly fast and responsive. They work great as work stations (15+ programs running at once).
5) Programs WERE a problem, now this isn't true. You can find anything you need for a mac, i'm sure. Also, all the important programs are important.
5.5) the only program i can't find is an FTP with PASV implemented
6) OSX is the best, no comp with windows. I use both (mac lap, and windows desk) and would choose the mac over the windows anyday if the mac had a bigger screen (friggin 12 inch)

Overall the only problems with Mac's are:

1) stupid 1 button mouse (i have mine replaced with mx900 (bluetooth link to onboard chip) with side buttons set for expose commands
2) suck in game area (but they have halo!)
3) pricey, and only one vendor

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Here's one hit for the Mac:

I have a G3 550MHz Umax SuperMac that originally shipped with a 200 MHz card and 512mb ram. However due to the limitations of OSX I can never install this on my system.

And you wouldn't want to either... OSX on anything slower than 1Ghz G4 is sluggish as hell.

I digress, I own a 12" G4 PowerBook that runs at 867mhz, and it works just fine with OS X; I've used 500mhz G4 systems that work just fine with OS X. It's not as light as WinXP can be(nor does Apple want it to be that way), but saying it's "sluggish as hell" on a sub 1ghz system is a pretty sizable overstatement.

As for Bluestrobe's problem, he has a clone computer; Apple has no love for the clones.

Oh yeah, I knew he wasn't gonna get OSX on that.. Clone thing ain't happenin' even with XpostFacto.
Your term of sluggish and mine is probably very different. I have used OSX on a G4 500 and G3 350 with plenty of ram and felt it to sluggish for my taste. Your Powerbook may be just fine.

 

[QMaze]

I'm going to jump in on this.

How many posters actually own a Mac, and I mean one in the last 5 years. Most likely 90% of these posts are from ill informed non Mac users. PC's rule the gaming arena, Mac does everything else better. Windows cannot even compare itself to a Unix based OS.

Why is it when you see a post like this, the arguement is always, Mac is too expensive and PC's are the best for games. You think your PC is fast, try converting a 100MB, 50 layer graphic image in Photoshop to Greyscale on your PC and compare the difference on a G5, not even close, in fact your probably crash the PC.

If you want to play games, buy an XBox. If you want to really use a computer, buy a Mac. Hmm now where is my order form for my $4500 Alienware PC, give me a break.

Come off your high horse PC owners and test drive a G5. Ok bring on the BS.