When is Vista SP1 coming??

[aVoicefromthePast]

Hi all,
What's the word...
Any guess's?

 

[Noema]

No one outside MS knows for sure.

It'll probably be out sometime before the end of the year (it will be released at the same time Windows Sever 2008 is, supposedly), but other than that, info has been scant.

 

[Mem]

Unofficially I have read Sept/Oct,however don't quote me on that.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: aVoicefromthePast
Hi all,
What's the word...
Any guess's?

No announced date, my guestimation would be Feb 08.

 

[aVoicefromthePast]

I think it would make me, and alot of others, feel better...

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: aVoicefromthePast
I think it would make me, and alot of others, feel better...

About what? Can you show a list of bugs that you need fixed in Vista that aren't currently available via Windows update?

This whole service pack concept started before Windows Update pushed critical fixes down to users as needed. At this point they are a convient placemarker to add new functionality and provide a roll-up of all older patches.

But without providing a list of what fixes or new functionality you're expecting, it's hard to see why it would make anyone feel better.

 

[aVoicefromthePast]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: aVoicefromthePast
I think it would make me, and alot of others, feel better...

About what? Can you show a list of bugs that you need fixed in Vista that aren't currently available via Windows update?

This whole service pack concept started before Windows Update pushed critical fixes down to users as needed. At this point they are a convient placemarker to add new functionality and provide a roll-up of all older patches.

But without providing a list of what fixes or new functionality you're expecting, it's hard to see why it would make anyone feel better.

Good "New" point...
I guess being from the "old Days", People thought that sp1 status meant it was ready for prime time...

 

[aVoicefromthePast]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: aVoicefromthePast
I think it would make me, and alot of others, feel better...

About what? Can you show a list of bugs that you need fixed in Vista that aren't currently available via Windows update?

This whole service pack concept started before Windows Update pushed critical fixes down to users as needed. At this point they are a convient placemarker to add new functionality and provide a roll-up of all older patches.

But without providing a list of what fixes or new functionality you're expecting, it's hard to see why it would make anyone feel better.

So you give the thumbs up on windows vista?

 

[bsobel]

So you give the thumbs up on windows vista?

Well your mileage may vary But yes, I think it's a reasonable upgrade to XP. Not all we hoped for in Longhorn, but it's been very stable in my experience (I'm down to two XP native boxes, and one is for corporate requirements with the other 6 or so all on Vista).

 

[Athena]

We're planning for availability in early November here.

 

[stash]

When it's done.

 

[stash]

Not all we hoped for in Longhorn

Ok Bill, this comment has me curious Care to expand on that? Just for my own curiosity, I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: stash

Not all we hoped for in Longhorn

Ok Bill, this comment has me curious Care to expand on that? Just for my own curiosity, I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you.

If you look at what was promised at the 03 PDC and yanked by the 04 PDC you'll have a good idea what I meant (WinFS, Castle, Pathguard API not making into RTM, etc). Don't get me wrong, I like Vista and I generally recommend it, it's a good solid evolution to XP I just wish a couple more of the things on the cutting room floor had made it.

 

[zig3695]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: aVoicefromthePast
I think it would make me, and alot of others, feel better...

About what? Can you show a list of bugs that you need fixed in Vista that aren't currently available via Windows update?

thank you. i too am tired of people blasting this OS before they have even used it.

in my experience, it makes XP seem like win98se. litterally, those two os's did the same stuff, XP just added security really. vista brings really useful features plus more security then XP, not those big features they were gloating about in development, but features useful enough to lessen the stress one gets from using an XP os for awhile.

i was really pissed when they scratched WinFS, but then again that idea was supposed to be in XP, so they clearly are having trouble with the technology. I was saddened by all of the cut features, but at least microsoft took a direct path and, no matter what, made the OS rock solid. stability has been the #1 complaint of ALL the winodws OS's ever and now that big, bad money grubbing company that everyone hates just smacked that problem down cold. and did it in style.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: aVoicefromthePast
I think it would make me, and alot of others, feel better...

To be honest SP1 will not make a big difference IMHO ,XP needed SP1 and even SP2,Vista is more refined product for a new OS,sure Vista SP1 will bring some bug fixes etc...however I feel the maturity of drivers over the coming months will make a bigger improvement ie performance etc.....


Vista as it stands right now I find very stable.

I think some people think SP1 will make Vista a new OS,it won't.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: stash

Not all we hoped for in Longhorn

Ok Bill, this comment has me curious Care to expand on that? Just for my own curiosity, I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you.

If you look at what was promised at the 03 PDC and yanked by the 04 PDC you'll have a good idea what I meant (WinFS, Castle, Pathguard API not making into RTM, etc). Don't get me wrong, I like Vista and I generally recommend it, it's a good solid evolution to XP I just wish a couple more of the things on the cutting room floor had made it.

Somehow the Windows Vista eyecandy made me forget what was 'supposed' to be included in Longhorn. WinFS was something I was looking forwards too.


For those who may have missed the earlier claims of Longhorn's potential:

WinFS

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: stash
When it's done.

Exactly.

Having seen the top issues on Vista get solidified the list is not very long. I would not expect sp1 for vista to be out as fast as sp1 for XP/2003. It's just not suffering the same birth pains. Hotfixes for individual issues is probably all that will be seen for a bit. If you have some specific issue, get the hotfix. Silly to wait on a full service pack that touches a bunch of issues you aren't having.

The whole "wait until sp1" is a cute theory but there isn't much fact behind it. In XPs case sp2 was the first time something major happened. sp1 just addressed technology that wasn't available at the time the OS was released (48bit lba).

BTW there are only a few at MS that know when sp1 is due. The date is not something super firm either...it's driven more by the need than a date. Those that know aren't telling either so any dates you hear are pure speculation.

 

[n7]

I too love the whole "wait for SP1 mentallity" :roll:

I hear it from my customers all the time...except not surprisingly, these are people who've never touched Vista.
So IOW, they basically have no clue what they are talking about.

Now Vista is not perfect, but i haven't heard of any glaring issues aside from the file copying one, something i don't quite understand since i haven't experienced it.
As for adding features in SP1, that'd be a nice bonus, but i'm not expecting it.

It's kinda funny really...MS could release SP1 w/ basically nothing changed, & tons of business would all jump on the Vista bandwagon, because they'd suddenly have this placebo effect of feeling all is well now :laugh:

Ignorance is really bliss...

 

[n0cmonkey]

The "not before sp1" thing is kind of like the "don't install the dot oh" thing. For better or worse...

 

[dragonic]

Original rumor before Vista launch was that SP1 would come when Windows Server 2008 would ship and it would update the kernel so that both would have the same kernel (6.0 -> 6.1). Atm there is no info if this still is true

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: stash

Not all we hoped for in Longhorn

Ok Bill, this comment has me curious Care to expand on that? Just for my own curiosity, I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you.

If you look at what was promised at the 03 PDC and yanked by the 04 PDC you'll have a good idea what I meant (WinFS, Castle, Pathguard API not making into RTM, etc). Don't get me wrong, I like Vista and I generally recommend it, it's a good solid evolution to XP I just wish a couple more of the things on the cutting room floor had made it.

Ah ok...when you said Longhorn, I thought you were referring to Windows Server 2008.

 

[zig3695]

yeah i was confused too when microsoft stated server 08 would be codenamed 'longhorn'. are they really that far out of ideas?

 

[Zenoth]

I've read about a certain Preview Pack, from TheHotFix. It contains a number of official and unofficial KB's for Vista. I've never tried it so far but some of the fixes in there are surprisingly significant, making me wondering how could a final version ship with such bugs and not get fixed during all of the public beta availability and internal testing.

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: zig3695
yeah i was confused too when microsoft stated server 08 would be codenamed 'longhorn'. are they really that far out of ideas?

Um, Server 2008 is Vista plus some goo. They were developed simultaneously, off the same code tree. Which is why they share the same code name.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
I've read about a certain Preview Pack, from TheHotFix. It contains a number of official and unofficial KB's for Vista. I've never tried it so far but some of the fixes in there are surprisingly significant, making me wondering how could a final version ship with such bugs and not get fixed during all of the public beta availability and internal testing.

Vista, like XP, like most OS's is huge. Bear in mind that while a specific bug might sound scary, it may only effect a very specific hardware configuration. You always find problems when you go from testing on hundreds and thousands (and is MS's case hundred of thousand machines) to millions of units.

Prior you usually had to wait until the service pack to get all the fixes. Now the truely important ones are posted to Windows Update and the rarer ones (which are often not tested as hard) are made available for download via the KB.