Which mouse?

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LogiTech G500s or the Cyborg R.A.T 5. Rat 5 has a slow mo button making sniping in FPS games easier with a high sensitivity. The G500s just looks better built and more durable. I have the palm grip and I like medium to high sensitivity (which is why I want that button on the Cyborg for when I get BF4).

I will be using this pad.

http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...-Goliathus-Fragged-Speed-Omega-Mouse-Pad---Sm

Here the mouses reside!

http://www.nzgameshop.com/pc-gaming-mice/cyborg-r-a-t-rat-5-gaming-mouse-glossy-black-pc

http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...ECH-G500s--CONTROLLED-EXPERIMENT--A-mouse-wit

They are the same price. I really can't decide. If the Cyborg works well then it would be better because of that button but it looks like the G500s would last longer...

 

[xXx orange]

Oh the RAT five can also be made longer but if you do so then applying pressure to the base makes it fall over haha.

Ok the G500s has a 3 year warranty so I am really leaning towards that.

 

[BrightCandle]

Personally I would choose to g400 as the 500 has a flawed sensor, as does the rat 5. Ignore the gimmicks like sniper buttons and start by getting a flawless sensor on a mouse that fits your grip style.

Those rat mice are terrible, we have had quite a few people unable to get on with them. The g500 isn't terrible its just not the best.

 

[xXx orange]

What makes the g500 flawed? I was aware that the g500 had input lag and the G500s fixed that. The G500s then had a sensor bug that was fixed in a later software patch.

Yeah I keep finding that the RAT 5 is quite faulty for many people plus I would rather be secure with 3 years warranty which I only get with the G500s. I would rather get the g500s over the g400s because it has change able weights. I think there was another better reason but I can't remember it.

 

[xXx orange]

Oh yeah it has double the buttons which might help, it is a laser mouse (I don't really know what that means but some people say it is better) and it has a smaller minimum DPI (200) and a larger maximum DPI (8200, who would use that?)

 

[cmac813]

I have a G500s and I like it, it's pretty much the same as the G500 with an updated sensor. I didn't notice any input lag and I haven't had any problems with it while playing an FPS games. The only thing I don't like about it is the sides seem sort of slippery to me. I think that's mostly due to my old G500 being worn down and this is still new, I've only had it for a week. If you've used and liked the G500 I'd go for the G500s, I've never used the RAT mouse before though.

I've heard optical mice are better for FPS like the G400 or G400s BrightCandle mentioned, but I've never had any problem using a laser mouse for FPS games but I've also never used an optical mouse.

 

[Wall Street]

The G500 is considered flawed because the Avago 9800 laser sensor in known to have positive acceleration at higher speeds. The Philips Twin Eye sensor in the R.A.T. mice is even worse than the Avago sensors.

The G400 uses the Avago 3090 optical sensor. This is similar to the Avago sensor used in the Deathadder 3.5G and is the same as the sensor used in the Zowie mice. Definately one of the best sensors on the market and it allows the G400 to not have any acceleration issues.

 

[BrightCandle]

The G500 is considered flawed because the Avago 9800 laser sensor in known to have positive acceleration at higher speeds. The Philips Twin Eye sensor in the R.A.T. mice is even worse than the Avago sensors.

The G400 uses the Avago 3090 optical sensor. This is similar to the Avago sensor used in the Deathadder 3.5G and is the same as the sensor used in the Zowie mice. Definately one of the best sensors on the market and it allows the G400 to not have any acceleration issues.

Exactly this. People keep going for gimmicks (Weights! Lasers! etc...) and none of that matters really. What matters is as light as mouse as possible (so you can move it faster and more accurately) with a sensor that is flawless. All the extra buttons in the world are useless to you if the mouse doesn't go where you move it properly.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Built a new gaming rig , bought the G400 mouse and sidewinder 4 keyboard.

What matters is as light as mouse as possible (so you can move it faster and more accurately) with a sensor that is flawless. All the extra buttons in the world are useless to you if the mouse doesn't go where you move it properly. __________________

 

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Something I think some of you arne't realizing is that this is the G500(s) not the G500. They fixed the sensor. Bright Candle the reason I wanted the weights is so I can adjust it. Like you say you want it to be as light as possible. If I got one that didn't have weights then it might be by default really heavy which would suck. I will mainly be playing Rome 2 (RTS) and Battlefield 4 (FPS).

The mouses are the same prices so I just wanted to know which one is better and won't blow up in my face . I am probably almost definetly going for the G500s. The RAT five is a good mouse but I constantly hear about it breaking. The Logitech also has a 3 year warranty so... And the last thing is that the G500s seems a lot bigger than the RAT 5 which is better for me because......

I still use a ten year old Microsoft trackball mouse... I tried using a proper mouse and even though it was a cheap cruddy one it was so accurate compared. I am really noticing how bad this mouse is so any mouse is a big step up. It will always remain close to my heart =).

 

[Wall Street]

Why ask if you aren't open to taking advice?

The G500s still uses a sensor that is average at best. It uses the same sensor as the G500 and the sensor is known to have hardware issues.

Take a look at what the top competitive players use for their hardware. None of the top pros use R.A.T. mice or the G500(s). There is a reason for that.

 

[BrightCandle]

I guess it doesn't matter what the experts say you are going to buy the G500s. I don't know why you bothered asking. Its a bad mouse, I wouldn't use it but I do hope your happy with it.

 

[xXx orange]

Sorry I am open to advice but I thought you guys were talking about the G500 not the G500s as you kept typing G500. I am open to advice as I was going to get the RAT five but some one I know told me about the G500s so I looked into it and wanted to know your opinions. Thanks to you guys I know not to get the RAT 5. So please explain what makes the G400s better than the G500s (not the G400 or the G500).

 

[taq8ojh]

I guess it doesn't matter what the experts say you are going to buy the G500s. I don't know why you bothered asking. Its a bad mouse, I wouldn't use it but I do hope your happy with it.

I've always wondered if all this talk wasn't just, you know, talk, and whether people could really tell a difference. Something tells me 90% of the most vocal ones wouldn't.

 

[Wall Street]

Read into it what you will, but notice that the optical G100s and G400s mice have "delta zero sensor technology" while the G500s and G700s laser mice don't have this. I believe that this is Logitech's codeword for perfect tracking.

Look at this article on overclock.net and search for "Avago ADNS S9500" which is an older sibling of the sensor used on the G500s. Note that this is a well known problem with Avago laser sensors. The graph certainly shows that as you move the mouse faster and faster, the cursor speed does not go faster in a linear fashion. This is why most people recommend mice based on the Avago 3090 optical sensor (ex. Deathadder 3.5G or G400) which does not have this problem. I could not find the same graph for a G500s, but people have complained about the acceleration as well as input lag if you use the Logitech Gaming Software (although apparently you can flash the mouse firmware to correct this).

 

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So the only mouse I could find which had warranty, Optical and a wire was the G400s (which looks ugly to me but I guess that doesn't matter much, I will be looking at the screen not looking at my mouse like a retard). It is also cheaper which is always good. I will look up some reviews to just find any major faults with it (other than people rarely getting fault buttons and so on).

http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z...ech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-Mouse---Exclusive-40

And I think I will be getting the Razer Sphex mouse pad (I don't have much space and it needs to fit under my keyboard). I keep hearing that the suction stops working but you can actually spray water on it and it will work for a long time (and then if it brakes just do it again).

http://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/Razer-Sphex-Mousemat/3179293/

Could some one go over these for me? This is my first Gaming mouse/pad so I am kind of scared that I will mess some thing up.

Thanks for all the help guys!

 

[taq8ojh]

That Deathadder mouse is butt-ugly. I was considering replacing my G5 at some point (and occasionally still do), but couldn't find anything that would look good and had enough buttons. I mean what's up with some mice having only two these days? (I don't count the main two ones and the wheel as buttons)

 

[BrightCandle]

Personally I think the best combination for a palm gripper is a G400 on a Puretrak talent or a Qck Heavy XL. The G400s is meant to have the same sensor but there are some reports saying its not the same. With the G400 still on offer I would get the old one.

 

[circusslaughter]

The logitech mice are really good. I have a G400 and it's really good mouse.

 

[teecee33]

Logitech G400 or G9x are my favorites.

 

[gorb]

g400 :>

 

[killaG]

logitech g700s

 

[Remobz]

I have a razer mouse and do not get it please.

 

[mjohndat]

I think logitech gaming mouse g700 is best choice for you! I just bought it some days ago, i can say it's the best gaming mouse til now

 

[alfaproxi]

I think logitech gaming mouse g700 is best choice for you! I just bought it some days ago, i can say it's the best gaming mouse til now

It seems to have different form-factor compared to g600. I'm wondering which one to get. My DeathAdder isn't as palm-fitting as I'd expected