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bluemax

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I have a feeling that a lot of the so-called Atheists on this board, will turn to God at their final hours when their long journey finally comes to an end.

Or shaking their fists at the sky come the next tragedy in their lives. Belive long enough to curse at God - then it's back to "me time".

For those that don't think atheism is not a religion, it sure is a way of life - including "spreading the word" as loudly and rudely as possible (in the vast majority of cases.)

This, and every other religion thread, are case in point.

This thread has nothing to do with anything in real life. We all play internet <insert word here> but carry ourselves differently outside. I happen to be proud of atheism because we aren't required to be pushy. We don't have to "convert" people and leave the decision up to the person involved. Our feeling is that, in the end, the truth will present itself clearly and we don't have to go around organizing and banging our ideology over the heads of people.

Funny, I see quite the opposite every time a loud-mouthed atheist starts hollering "Don't push your beliefs on me!" or loudly scoffs. In public. All from the mere mention of the word "God".
 

chambersc

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Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I have a feeling that a lot of the so-called Atheists on this board, will turn to God at their final hours when their long journey finally comes to an end.

Or shaking their fists at the sky come the next tragedy in their lives. Belive long enough to curse at God - then it's back to "me time".

For those that don't think atheism is not a religion, it sure is a way of life - including "spreading the word" as loudly and rudely as possible (in the vast majority of cases.)

This, and every other religion thread, are case in point.

This thread has nothing to do with anything in real life. We all play internet <insert word here> but carry ourselves differently outside. I happen to be proud of atheism because we aren't required to be pushy. We don't have to "convert" people and leave the decision up to the person involved. Our feeling is that, in the end, the truth will present itself clearly and we don't have to go around organizing and banging our ideology over the heads of people.

Funny, I see quite the opposite every time a loud-mouthed atheist starts hollering "Don't push your beliefs on me!" or loudly scoffs. In public. All from the mere mention of the word "God".

Seems counter productive since we don't have to push a faith on someone. It's not our job to attempt to convince you to believe what you do -- you're an autonomous human being and can believe what you want.

I equate "atheism" with "humanism" as in the atheist chooses not to believe in a higher power because they respect the human being and their ability to live freely. The atheist sees no need for a higher power and to worry about an after life when there are plenty to deal with in the here and now.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I have a feeling that a lot of the so-called Atheists on this board, will turn to God at their final hours when their long journey finally comes to an end.

Or shaking their fists at the sky come the next tragedy in their lives. Belive long enough to curse at God - then it's back to "me time".

For those that don't think atheism is not a religion, it sure is a way of life - including "spreading the word" as loudly and rudely as possible (in the vast majority of cases.)

This, and every other religion thread, are case in point.

This thread has nothing to do with anything in real life. We all play internet <insert word here> but carry ourselves differently outside. I happen to be proud of atheism because we aren't required to be pushy. We don't have to "convert" people and leave the decision up to the person involved. Our feeling is that, in the end, the truth will present itself clearly and we don't have to go around organizing and banging our ideology over the heads of people.

Funny, I see quite the opposite every time a loud-mouthed atheist starts hollering "Don't push your beliefs on me!" or loudly scoffs. In public. All from the mere mention of the word "God".

Seems counter productive since we don't have to push a faith on someone. It's not our job to attempt to convince you to believe what you do -- you're an autonomous human being and can believe what you want.

I equate "atheism" with "humanism" as in the atheist chooses not to believe in a higher power because they respect the human being and their ability to live freely. The atheist sees no need for a higher power and to worry about an after life when there are plenty to deal with in the here and now.

I'm sure you probably believe what you posted here, but it doesn't account for the huge number of insecure, rabid, pushy, proselytizing atheists on internet message boards.

And as I have proven many, many times in the past here, atheists do have a faith to push (you yourself posted here that "Atheism is the positive affirmation that no god exists," which is a faith is I have ever heard one, as such a belief is neither a priori nor deductive logic), and an agenda which they fight (being a faith, atheists feel it necessary to push their views, just like any other faith). It is not enough for themselves that they do not believe in a higher power, but that they make sure that everyone else believes the same as well.

Heh... it's funny. I just went looking through some of your posts to find that quote of yours above, and in the same thread in which atheists were demanding for a law in which it would be illegal to teach religion to children, you said that "atheists don't push their views on children." HAHAHA! WTF do you think such a law would be? Not meaning to start a flame war, but you're either ignorantly blind or a hypocrite. The faithful always are one of those 2.
 

fredhe12

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To quote one of the best movies of all time:

"I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball."

- Bull Durham
 

Midlander

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Why is it that Protestant is considered a religion? Isn't it a grouping of religions?

Or, if it's the group of Christian sects, why is Roman Catholic a separate item?
 

chambersc

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I have a feeling that a lot of the so-called Atheists on this board, will turn to God at their final hours when their long journey finally comes to an end.

Or shaking their fists at the sky come the next tragedy in their lives. Belive long enough to curse at God - then it's back to "me time".

For those that don't think atheism is not a religion, it sure is a way of life - including "spreading the word" as loudly and rudely as possible (in the vast majority of cases.)

This, and every other religion thread, are case in point.

This thread has nothing to do with anything in real life. We all play internet <insert word here> but carry ourselves differently outside. I happen to be proud of atheism because we aren't required to be pushy. We don't have to "convert" people and leave the decision up to the person involved. Our feeling is that, in the end, the truth will present itself clearly and we don't have to go around organizing and banging our ideology over the heads of people.

Funny, I see quite the opposite every time a loud-mouthed atheist starts hollering "Don't push your beliefs on me!" or loudly scoffs. In public. All from the mere mention of the word "God".

Seems counter productive since we don't have to push a faith on someone. It's not our job to attempt to convince you to believe what you do -- you're an autonomous human being and can believe what you want.

I equate "atheism" with "humanism" as in the atheist chooses not to believe in a higher power because they respect the human being and their ability to live freely. The atheist sees no need for a higher power and to worry about an after life when there are plenty to deal with in the here and now.

I'm sure you probably believe what you posted here, but it doesn't account for the huge number of insecure, rabid, pushy, proselytizing atheists on internet message boards.

And as I have proven many, many times in the past here, atheists do have a faith to push (you yourself posted here that "Atheism is the positive affirmation that no god exists," which is a faith is I have ever heard one, as such a belief is neither a priori nor deductive logic), and an agenda which they fight (being a faith, atheists feel it necessary to push their views, just like any other faith). It is not enough for themselves that they do not believe in a higher power, but that they make sure that everyone else believes the same as well.

Heh... it's funny. I just went looking through some of your posts to find that quote of yours above, and in the same thread in which atheists were demanding for a law in which it would be illegal to teach religion to children, you said that "atheists don't push their views on children." HAHAHA! WTF do you think such a law would be? Not meaning to start a flame war, but you're either ignorantly blind or a hypocrite. The faithful always are one of those 2.

I'm not following your latter point. I don't believe that a parent should push their views on religion onto their child fore its their life that they must live. Your sentence of "HAHA! WTF do you think such a law would be?" doesn't make sense.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I have a feeling that a lot of the so-called Atheists on this board, will turn to God at their final hours when their long journey finally comes to an end.

Or shaking their fists at the sky come the next tragedy in their lives. Belive long enough to curse at God - then it's back to "me time".

For those that don't think atheism is not a religion, it sure is a way of life - including "spreading the word" as loudly and rudely as possible (in the vast majority of cases.)

This, and every other religion thread, are case in point.

This thread has nothing to do with anything in real life. We all play internet <insert word here> but carry ourselves differently outside. I happen to be proud of atheism because we aren't required to be pushy. We don't have to "convert" people and leave the decision up to the person involved. Our feeling is that, in the end, the truth will present itself clearly and we don't have to go around organizing and banging our ideology over the heads of people.

Funny, I see quite the opposite every time a loud-mouthed atheist starts hollering "Don't push your beliefs on me!" or loudly scoffs. In public. All from the mere mention of the word "God".

Seems counter productive since we don't have to push a faith on someone. It's not our job to attempt to convince you to believe what you do -- you're an autonomous human being and can believe what you want.

I equate "atheism" with "humanism" as in the atheist chooses not to believe in a higher power because they respect the human being and their ability to live freely. The atheist sees no need for a higher power and to worry about an after life when there are plenty to deal with in the here and now.

I'm sure you probably believe what you posted here, but it doesn't account for the huge number of insecure, rabid, pushy, proselytizing atheists on internet message boards.

And as I have proven many, many times in the past here, atheists do have a faith to push (you yourself posted here that "Atheism is the positive affirmation that no god exists," which is a faith is I have ever heard one, as such a belief is neither a priori nor deductive logic), and an agenda which they fight (being a faith, atheists feel it necessary to push their views, just like any other faith). It is not enough for themselves that they do not believe in a higher power, but that they make sure that everyone else believes the same as well.

Heh... it's funny. I just went looking through some of your posts to find that quote of yours above, and in the same thread in which atheists were demanding for a law in which it would be illegal to teach religion to children, you said that "atheists don't push their views on children." HAHAHA! WTF do you think such a law would be? Not meaning to start a flame war, but you're either ignorantly blind or a hypocrite. The faithful always are one of those 2.

I'm not following your latter point. I don't believe that a parent should push their views on religion onto their child fore its their life that they must live. Your sentence of "HAHA! WTF do you think such a law would be?" doesn't make sense.

If, as you assert, atheism is the absence of religion, then isn't outlawing religious teaching to children the same as pushing atheistic views? Of course it is.
 

chambersc

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I have a feeling that a lot of the so-called Atheists on this board, will turn to God at their final hours when their long journey finally comes to an end.

Or shaking their fists at the sky come the next tragedy in their lives. Belive long enough to curse at God - then it's back to "me time".

For those that don't think atheism is not a religion, it sure is a way of life - including "spreading the word" as loudly and rudely as possible (in the vast majority of cases.)

This, and every other religion thread, are case in point.

This thread has nothing to do with anything in real life. We all play internet <insert word here> but carry ourselves differently outside. I happen to be proud of atheism because we aren't required to be pushy. We don't have to "convert" people and leave the decision up to the person involved. Our feeling is that, in the end, the truth will present itself clearly and we don't have to go around organizing and banging our ideology over the heads of people.

Funny, I see quite the opposite every time a loud-mouthed atheist starts hollering "Don't push your beliefs on me!" or loudly scoffs. In public. All from the mere mention of the word "God".

Seems counter productive since we don't have to push a faith on someone. It's not our job to attempt to convince you to believe what you do -- you're an autonomous human being and can believe what you want.

I equate "atheism" with "humanism" as in the atheist chooses not to believe in a higher power because they respect the human being and their ability to live freely. The atheist sees no need for a higher power and to worry about an after life when there are plenty to deal with in the here and now.

I'm sure you probably believe what you posted here, but it doesn't account for the huge number of insecure, rabid, pushy, proselytizing atheists on internet message boards.

And as I have proven many, many times in the past here, atheists do have a faith to push (you yourself posted here that "Atheism is the positive affirmation that no god exists," which is a faith is I have ever heard one, as such a belief is neither a priori nor deductive logic), and an agenda which they fight (being a faith, atheists feel it necessary to push their views, just like any other faith). It is not enough for themselves that they do not believe in a higher power, but that they make sure that everyone else believes the same as well.

Heh... it's funny. I just went looking through some of your posts to find that quote of yours above, and in the same thread in which atheists were demanding for a law in which it would be illegal to teach religion to children, you said that "atheists don't push their views on children." HAHAHA! WTF do you think such a law would be? Not meaning to start a flame war, but you're either ignorantly blind or a hypocrite. The faithful always are one of those 2.

I'm not following your latter point. I don't believe that a parent should push their views on religion onto their child fore its their life that they must live. Your sentence of "HAHA! WTF do you think such a law would be?" doesn't make sense.

If, as you assert, atheism is the absence of religion, then isn't outlawing religious teaching to children the same as pushing atheistic views? Of course it is.

Atheism, according to me, is the positive affirmation that no God exists, not the absence of religion. It's a mindset, not a grouping of people.

 

Staples

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I am not sure if agnosticism is a religion or just a single belief (which I agree it is) but that is what I'd consider myself.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Atheism, according to me, is the positive affirmation that no God exists, not the absence of religion. It's a mindset, not a grouping of people.
It's a faith.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: chambersc
Atheism, according to me, is the positive affirmation that no God exists, not the absence of religion. It's a mindset, not a grouping of people.
It's a faith.

Why is it a faith? Antitheism is a faith, atheism is not necesarily(spl? - *sigh*).
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I have a feeling that a lot of the so-called Atheists on this board, will turn to God at their final hours when their long journey finally comes to an end.

Ahh. The old axiom "there are no atheists in foxholes." Meaning that facing death turns one towards faith.

By the way, so what if one turns to faith in their final hours. As long as they live a generally good life, why not, with your final hours ticking by, declare yourself to be a theist to reap the rewards. The requirements to get into heaven are so insanely easy that, to me, exploiting one's faith to reap the potential rewards is a worthy compromise (ends justify the means). Hell, I might even consider it just so that if I'm wrong and there is a heaven, I'm assured a spot anyway. Win win!!

If you don't believe in God your whole life, woudn't you feel that becoming a theist on your deathbed is a cop-out?

A real man doesn't change his opinion just because he's scared of going to hell.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: chambersc
Atheism, according to me, is the positive affirmation that no God exists, not the absence of religion. It's a mindset, not a grouping of people.
It's a faith.
Why is it a faith? Antitheism is a faith, atheism is not necesarily(spl? - *sigh*).
The "positive affirmation that no God exists" is not a priori, nor can it be proven logically or mathematically. Therefore it is a faith (specifically definition #2 - "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.").
 

chambersc

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Originally posted by: n yusef
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I have a feeling that a lot of the so-called Atheists on this board, will turn to God at their final hours when their long journey finally comes to an end.

Ahh. The old axiom "there are no atheists in foxholes." Meaning that facing death turns one towards faith.

By the way, so what if one turns to faith in their final hours. As long as they live a generally good life, why not, with your final hours ticking by, declare yourself to be a theist to reap the rewards. The requirements to get into heaven are so insanely easy that, to me, exploiting one's faith to reap the potential rewards is a worthy compromise (ends justify the means). Hell, I might even consider it just so that if I'm wrong and there is a heaven, I'm assured a spot anyway. Win win!!

If you don't believe in God your whole life, woudn't you feel that becoming a theist on your deathbed is a cop-out?

A real man doesn't change his opinion just because he's scared of going to hell.

Glad I don't care what you think then, huh. Why would I care about your conception of "a real man" when I would seemingly have the rest of eternity to live. If there was an eternity, wouldn't it be better to do a deathbed confessional to gain entry into the pearly gates? At the very center of everone, we're all egotistical. I'm just looking out for me and my family.

EDIT: Vic, just because I hold an irrational belief that doesn't mean it's a faith.
 

thehstrybean

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I'm a Christian...but is there anyone who is a Jewish mystic here? (ie Kaballah? I need to find someone to interview for a project...Kaballah or Zoro...)
 

ironk

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what exactly is a christian? Everyone says they're christian, but they do everything from drugs to alcohol to fights to whatever else. But they are christians. ....wtf? Does anyone actually follow christianity nowadays? Or is it just a word?
 
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