Who Built the Moon?

MrNutz

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Who Built the Moon? I Know Who...


...And another book by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler:
Civilization One

Using cast-iron proof, illustrated by the easiest of maths, Civilization One proves conclusively that, no matter how clever we think we are today, greater minds have existed in the remote past. The implications of Civilization One are unthinkable and contrary to all accepted paradigms but, in the final analysis, they can be verified by anyone. - Full Article with book sample
 

The Scientist

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I'll use the equation from ID to prove to you that you cannot possibly exist, since the likelyhood of you existing is less than the world being brought into existance without a guiding hand.

Specifically, the chances of the exact dna combination being you developing from the number of combinations within thousands of years is less than you getting wet when it rains, but you getting wet when it rains, the chances of those h2o molecules hitting your body is smaller than the equated probablility of the ID equation.


IOW, If you believe in ID, then you have to accept that you DEFINENTLY do not exist, and you'll have to accept that you won't get wet if you go out in the rain.

ID is a sham, anyone with half a brain can understand that.
 

Eli

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Re: the moon..

They're looking at it backwards.

It's not evidence of intelligent design, it's just the way things freakin' work.

Re: the article and book..

That is quite fascinating.
 

luigi1

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Dont you guys have your own forums? Do you think this garbage is going to sway any ones opinion here? I'm all for opinions here but this is DOGMA. And ill fight dogma at every chance.
 

MrNutz

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The Scientist - Thanks for the lesson, but I don't quite get where you were going with it... or to be more exact, what you were trying to prove/disprove.

You obviously didn't do a good job if you had to finish your statement with name-calling.
 

DaveSimmons

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Another book by this "agnostic":

"Uriel's Machine proves ancient Europeans not only survived the 7640 B.C. flood, but developed a highly advanced civilization dedicated to predicting and preparing for future meteoric impacts. Building an international network of sophisticated astronomical observatories, these ancient astronomers created accurate solar, lunar, and planetary calendars, measured the diameter of the Earth, and precisely predicted comet collisions years in advance. This was the true purpose of megalithic structures such as Stonehenge. In 3150 B.C., the ancients' predictions proved true, and their device- Uriel's Machine-allowed the reconstruction of civilization in a shattered world.

Uriel's Machine also presents evidence that:

* There was a single global language on Earth
* A single female was a common ancestor to all living humans
* Angels bred with human women to create The Watchers, giant half-human beings
* The oral tradition of Freemasonry records real events

A fascinating study of humankind's past, present, and future, Urie/'s Machine proves the world was indeed flooded, but survived wholly due to these ancient Europeans, their heavenly knowledge, and one remarkable machine.

About the Author
Christopher Knight has a degree in advertising and graphic design and is the managing director of a marketing and advertising agency. In 1976 he became a Freemason. "


Sounds like a credible researcher to me!


 

The Scientist

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Originally posted by: MrNutz
The Scientist - Thanks for the lesson, but I don't quite get where you were going with it... or to be more exact, what you were trying to prove/disprove.

You obviously didn't do a good job if you had to finish your statement with name-calling.

The ID equation is meant to provide a reason why the earth cannot have formed from what abiogenesis claims, however, for one, this doesn't say anything about evolution, yet they use it as a contradictory theory to evolution while evolution rests on facts known.

The thing is, these equations could also prove that you cannot possibly exist, the probablility of your genes being your genes througout history melting into you on that second you were made makes it less likely that you were being born than ID being right, using the same equations.

I realize i'm not giving this my best effort, but it's late here and i hope you understand my point.

 

MrNutz

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I guess I see what you're getting at, but your point seems to be backwards. If evolution does not involve an intelligent designer, then over the course of the Earth's history we were never "created"... instead we came to be after many things "evolved" to a point to sustain us. To tell you the truth, I used to strongly believe in evolution, even after I was saved.

But after looking at the Earth from the perspective that God does exist, my theories on evolution become dimmer and dimmer. I guess the majority of the reason is that my bias for evolution was that I had never seen absolute proof that God exists so evolution was a better claim on how everything came to the state it is now. And really most of my arguments were'nt to prove evolution, just to prove against intelligent design, or as you say "ID" for brevity.

Now that I have accepted Jesus as my savior and have personal conviction in God's existance and intervention in my life, my mind is free to look at both of these points as facts (ID and evolution)... yet evolution just doesn't add up. Over history we have digressed in our DNA not improved. --As I like to say, "I've got brown hair and a red goatee so I'm an american mutt". Mildly humorous joke, (irish, french, german, and scottish mixed) but very true of most everyone in this world. Over time ethniticities have merged, inducing unpure, weak links in our DNA structure. Also, as time progessed so did human lifetimes due to improved education and health which furthers the lineage of those that would have lost the "natural selection" struggle of prior mankind.

Yet if this process has been going on for thousands of years, why is the Earth so spectacular with life in comparison to other planets? Everything on Earth and within the moral nature of people is perfect. One insect interacts with another that sustains the life of a bacteria that solely completes a specific animals digestive process so that it may thrive long enough to spread certain plants seeds through it's feces allowing the plant to mature properly and recycle the air that we rely on. -- Just look at any of God's creatures and start building a chain. - Everytime you will claim "Eureka!" once you understand the perfect purpose that organism completes to sustain life in this world.

And even as humans, we claim absolute strength over other creatures... claiming them to be only "mankind". Yet not one of us can set an absolute date as to when our body will perish in the this world nor can we absolutely extend our life one day. It's common knowledge that everyday is a gamble. -That's why we grieve when our loved ones pass from this world... the time is always unexpected.

I came to that realization over a year ago when I finally admitted I didn't have all the answers, nor will I ever. But if there was a creator, an absolute God that cherished me over everything in this world and wanted the best for me.. then I was willing to seek Him out and discover why He created such an perfect world and why He put me in it. Now I know absolutely that was the best decision I ever made for the rest of eternity.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: MrNutz
I guess I see what you're getting at, but your point seems to be backwards. If evolution does not involve an intelligent designer, then over the course of the Earth's history we were never "created"... instead we came to be after many things "evolved" to a point to sustain us. To tell you the truth, I used to strongly believe in evolution, even after I was saved.

But after looking at the Earth from the perspective that God does exist, my theories on evolution become dimmer and dimmer. I guess the majority of the reason is that my bias for evolution was that I had never seen absolute proof that God exists so evolution was a better claim on how everything came to the state it is now. And really most of my arguments were'nt to prove evolution, just to prove against intelligent design, or as you say "ID" for brevity.

Now that I have accepted Jesus as my savior and have personal conviction in God's existance and intervention in my life, my mind is free to look at both of these points as facts (ID and evolution)... yet evolution just doesn't add up. Over history we have digressed in our DNA not improved. --As I like to say, "I've got brown hair and a red goatee so I'm an american mutt". Mildly humorous joke, (irish, french, german, and scottish mixed) but very true of most everyone in this world. Over time ethniticities have merged, inducing unpure, weak links in our DNA structure. Also, as time progessed so did human lifetimes due to improved education and health which furthers the lineage of those that would have lost the "natural selection" struggle of prior mankind.

Yet if this process has been going on for thousands of years, why is the Earth so spectacular with life in comparison to other planets? Everything on Earth and within the moral nature of people is perfect. One insect interacts with another that sustains the life of a bacteria that solely completes a specific animals digestive process so that it may thrive long enough to spread certain plants seeds through it's feces allowing the plant to mature properly and recycle the air that we rely on. -- Just look at any of God's creatures and start building a chain. - Everytime you will claim "Eureka!" once you understand the perfect purpose that organism completes to sustain life in this world.

And even as humans, we claim absolute strength over other creatures... claiming them to be only "mankind". Yet not one of us can set an absolute date as to when our body will perish in the this world nor can we absolutely extend our life one day. It's common knowledge that everyday is a gamble. -That's why we grieve when our loved ones pass from this world... the time is always unexpected.

I came to that realization over a year ago when I finally admitted I didn't have all the answers, nor will I ever. But if there was a creator, an absolute God that cherished me over everything in this world and wanted the best for me.. then I was willing to seek Him out and discover why He created such an perfect world and why He put me in it. Now I know absolutely that was the best decision I ever made for the rest of eternity.

You should give credite were credit is due, most of that is Hovind.
What isn't you just mede up.

So hovind is made up and your speeach is made up, that fits's the description of ID, made up.

Sell me something new.

And yeah, hello old fiiends, netopia, moonbeam, nutxo,n0c and others.

We love you tabb we alway have.
 

Bitek

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Originally posted by: MrNutz
I guess I see what you're getting at, but your point seems to be backwards. If evolution does not involve an intelligent designer, then over the course of the Earth's history we were never "created"... instead we came to be after many things "evolved" to a point to sustain us. To tell you the truth, I used to strongly believe in evolution, even after I was saved.

But after looking at the Earth from the perspective that God does exist, my theories on evolution become dimmer and dimmer. I guess the majority of the reason is that my bias for evolution was that I had never seen absolute proof that God exists so evolution was a better claim on how everything came to the state it is now. And really most of my arguments were'nt to prove evolution, just to prove against intelligent design, or as you say "ID" for brevity.

Now that I have accepted Jesus as my savior and have personal conviction in God's existance and intervention in my life, my mind is free to look at both of these points as facts (ID and evolution)... yet evolution just doesn't add up. Over history we have digressed in our DNA not improved. [What?! ] --As I like to say, "I've got brown hair and a red goatee so I'm an american mutt". Mildly humorous joke, (irish, french, german, and scottish mixed) but very true of most everyone in this world. Over time ethniticities have merged, inducing unpure, weak links in our DNA structure. [ WTF are you trying to say? Mulattos are inferior? Nein, der Furher ] Also, as time progessed so did human lifetimes due to improved education and health which furthers the lineage of those that would have lost the "natural selection" struggle of prior mankind.

Yet if this process has been going on for thousands of years, why is the Earth so spectacular with life in comparison to other planets? [Again, what?! Because there is no water/ air and its out of life-freindly temps for starters. How many planets ya been to? I've heard there may be trillions... ] Everything on Earth and within the moral nature of people is perfect. One insect interacts with another that sustains the life of a bacteria that solely completes a specific animals digestive process so that it may thrive long enough to spread certain plants seeds through it's feces allowing the plant to mature properly and recycle the air that we rely on. -- Just look at any of God's creatures and start building a chain. - Everytime you will claim "Eureka!" once you understand the perfect purpose that organism completes to sustain life in this world.

And even as humans, we claim absolute strength over other creatures... claiming them to be only "mankind". Yet not one of us can set an absolute date as to when our body will perish in the this world nor can we absolutely extend our life one day. It's common knowledge that everyday is a gamble. -That's why we grieve when our loved ones pass from this world... the time is always unexpected.

I came to that realization over a year ago when I finally admitted I didn't have all the answers, nor will I ever. But if there was a creator, an absolute God that cherished me over everything in this world and wanted the best for me.. then I was willing to seek Him out and discover why He created such an perfect world and why He put me in it. Now I know absolutely that was the best decision I ever made for the rest of eternity.

I think all you have proved is that you never had an understanding of evolution, but believed it for popularity sake. Now you've found something more appealing and now are blindly following that instead, with no true comprehension of either beliefs.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: MrNutz
Who Built the Moon? I Know Who...


...And another book by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler:
Civilization One

Using cast-iron proof, illustrated by the easiest of maths, Civilization One proves conclusively that, no matter how clever we think we are today, greater minds have existed in the remote past. The implications of Civilization One are unthinkable and contrary to all accepted paradigms but, in the final analysis, they can be verified by anyone. - Full Article with book sample

.lock. ban .genocide. Drunk. :beer:
 

stratman

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Whatever the reason for it, it is cool that the moon is the perfect size for blocking out the sun but not the corona during a total solar eclipse, and that only one face of the moon ever faces us.

These are two unlikely things, and it's cool it turned out the way it did.
 

coomar

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a lot of pure breed dogs have significant genetic defects, the merging of ethnic groups doesn't " inducing unpure, weak links in our DNA structure" it does the exact opposite through genetic diversity, this is explained in a basic biology book

the comment in itself seems to be racist, thinking like that has been used to justify a lot
 

umbrella39

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The moon was "built" when a rogue planet collided with earth 4 1/2 billion years ago. The resulting collision and debris was held in place by earth's gravitation pull. Over millions of more years the larger objects consolidated to form the moon. Initially the surface of the moon would have been so hot that it was covered in an ocean of magma. Over millions of more years, it cooled and developed a core, mantle, and crust.

/story
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
The moon was "built" when a rogue planet collided with earth 4 1/2 billion years ago. The resulting collision and debris was held in place by earth's gravitation pull. Over millions of more years the larger objects consolidated to form the moon. Initially the surface of the moon would have been so hot that it was covered in an ocean of magma. Over millions of more years, it cooled and developed a core, mantle, and crust.

/story

stop making up anti christian lies you bigot.
 

Gibsons

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Originally posted by: MrNutz
Over history we have digressed in our DNA not improved. --As I like to say, "I've got brown hair and a red goatee so I'm an american mutt". Mildly humorous joke, (irish, french, german, and scottish mixed) but very true of most everyone in this world. Over time ethniticities have merged, inducing unpure, weak links in our DNA structure. Also, as time progessed so did human lifetimes due to improved education and health which furthers the lineage of those that would have lost the "natural selection" struggle of prior mankind.

Please describe these "unpure, weak links in our DNA structure." I'm unfamiliar with the concept as you describe it.
 
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