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Juror No. 8

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Data can be manipulated but you have to look at the facts. Has it happened before? What measures are taken to safeguard the numbers? What evidence is there of tampering?

What evidence is there that the numbers you are relying on are credible, accurate, and free of tampering?

You have nothing.

Likewise.

What data would you like me to post? I'm happy to provide sources.

Sure, let's see your government sources. They're responsible for your reality, right? Whatever they say must be correct, right?

LOL.
 

Juror No. 8

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"But, but, but... yes the politicians are dependent on wealthy people and corporations to get elected, but, but, but, once they do get elected, they act independently of those wealthy people and corporations and instead serve the interests of the peasantry! Anybody who says otherwise is schizophobic!".

LOL.
 

ivwshane

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What evidence is there that the numbers you are relying on are credible, accurate, and free of tampering?



Likewise.



Sure, let's see your government sources. They're responsible for your reality, right? Whatever they say must be correct, right?

LOL.

Lol you are asking me to prove a negative, it's akin to saying god exists because you can't prove he doesn't exist. Sorry the onus is on you.

I'm on my phone so which data would you like? Unemployment rate? Inflation rate? GDP growth?
 

ivwshane

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"But, but, but... yes the politicians are dependent on wealthy people and corporations to get elected, but, but, but, once they do get elected, they act independently of those wealthy people and corporations and instead serve the interests of the peasantry! Anybody who says otherwise is schizophobic!".

LOL.

Lol no. Anyone who thinks all politicians are like that is schizophrenic.
 

Juror No. 8

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Lol you are asking me to prove a negative, it's akin to saying god exists because you can't prove he doesn't exist. Sorry the onus is on you.

I'm not asking you to prove a negative. You believe the inflation data provided by government is credible and accurate, that the numbers aren't massaged or manipulated to promote an agenda.

Where's your evidence for this belief?

I'm on my phone so which data would you like? Unemployment rate? Inflation rate? GDP growth?
I want data proving that these numbers are accurate and credible. Do you have any?
 
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Juror No. 8

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Lol no. Anyone who thinks all politicians are like that is schizophrenic.

So you believe that certain politicians - primarily of the Democratic persuasion - who are dependent on wealthy people and corporations to get elected, once elected, turn their backs on those wealthy people and corporations to serve the interests of the peasants?

What do you base this belief on? What evidence supports this belief?
 

ivwshane

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So you believe that certain politicians - primarily of the Democratic persuasion - who are dependent on wealthy people and corporations to get elected, once elected, turn their backs on those wealthy people and corporations to serve the interests of the peasants?

What do you base this belief on? What evidence supports this belief?

Oh I don't know maybe the fact that I already showed you my proof of things congress and the president has done that help ordinary citizens and in some cases hurt those 1 percenters.

Tell that to the millions of people who get to stay on their parents healthcare until age 26. Tell that to the millions of Americans who no longer have to worry about lifetime caps on their insurance coverage. Tell that to the millions of Americans who can now get healthcare even though they have pre existing conditions. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands veterans that will be positively impacted by the Honoring America’s Veterans and Caring for Camp Lejeune Families Act of 2012. Tell that to the millions of Americans whose homes were under water and were able to refinance at lower interest rates. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands if not millions of workers that were positively impacted by auto bailouts. Tell that to the 300K teachers whose jobs were saved via the ARRA. Tell that to the thousands of soldiers who no longer have to worry about being kicked out of the military for being gay. Tell that to the millions of women who no will be paid equally for doing the same job a man does. Tell that to the millions of same sex couples who can now visit their loved ones in the hospital. Tell that to the millions of students who will now have lower interest rates on their student loans.


But yeah, Obama, like Romney has only worked for the top 1%.

You should look in the mirror and you will really see who is delusional.



Oh and by the way, that's only a small list of things dems and the president have done to help the middle class.


Onus probandi – from Latin "onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat" the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim, not on the person who denies (or questions the claim). It is a particular case of the "argumentum ad ignorantiam" fallacy, here the burden is shifted on the person defending against the assertion

Again, you made the claim now back it up or GTFO!
 

Juror No. 8

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Oh I don't know maybe the fact that I already showed you my proof of things congress and the president has done that help ordinary citizens and in some cases hurt those 1 percenters.

How does it hurt the 1 percenters if the government, which they control through their massive wealth and ownership of the corporate media, grows larger and more powerful? How does it hurt the 1 percenters if the 99 percent grows more dependent on government largesse?

The tiny 1 percent loves nothing more than a big powerful government and a totally dependent 99 percent. No other arrangement serves their interests more.

Again, you made the claim now back it up or GTFO!

Actually you made the claim that inflation is currently no higher than it was during the Clinton years.

Are you now backing off that claim?
 

Juror No. 8

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Sorry, but the BLS has been changing the way the CPI is computed for years. According to Shadow Stats, inflation is much higher than what the government claims:



http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

The government fudges the numbers to make inflation look lower than it really is.

Chris Martenson covered this in his series of "Crash Course" videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkTItOXuN0

What else you got?
 

ivwshane

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Sorry, but the BLS has been changing the way the CPI is computed for years. According to Shadow Stats, inflation is much higher than what the government claims:



http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

The government fudges the numbers to make inflation look lower than it really is.

Chris Martenson covered this in his series of "Crash Course" videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkTItOXuN0

What else you got?

You didn't disprove anything look at the revised charts numbers and you will see Obamas inflation numbers are approaching Clinton's.

What else do you have because you still haven't proven shit.
 

monovillage

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You're just angry because Obama got his ass handed to him, Lehrer did a great job by letting the two debaters actually debate and Romney couldn't help smiling while watching Obama panic like a little kid at the mall that lost his telemother.
 
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Juror No. 8

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You didn't disprove anything look at the revised charts numbers and you will see Obamas inflation numbers are approaching Clinton's.

What else do you have because you still haven't proven shit.

LOL. Clinton entered office in 1993, and according to Shadow Stats, the inflation rate at that time, based on the older method for computing the CPI, was around 5%. By the time Clinton left office in 2001, inflation was around 8%.

Obama's already seen inflation rates above 10% during his first term, and with QE Infinity priming the printing press pump, we'll probably see inflation spike even higher in the near future.

You're not dealing in reality, pal. This is reality:

 

ivwshane

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LOL. Clinton entered office in 1993, and according to Shadow Stats, the inflation rate at that time, based on the older method for computing the CPI, was around 5%. By the time Clinton left office in 2001, inflation was around 8%.

Obama's already seen inflation rates above 10% during his first term, and with QE Infinity priming the printing press pump, we'll probably see inflation spike even higher in the near future.

You're not dealing in reality, pal. This is reality:


Where is the inflation at now dumbass?
 

ivwshane

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U mad, bro? You sound mad.

LOL.

Nope, just waiting for you to post some facts. Btw what was that last chart? Shall I post random images from the Internet too with no context or a link to the page?

I am starting to get upset that you are wasting my time.


Oh and I like how you compared Clinton's last year in office to Obamas first year or highest point instead of where it's at now. That's not disingenuous at all./s
 
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ivwshane

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Current inflation is around 2%

Yeah but he doesn't like the real number he prefers to use a different data set. I asked him what the rate was because I don't see a table listing the actual months' or years' inflation number.


Some how he went from saying, "No matter who is elected, the policy agenda won't change in any material way, only the narrative will", and me showing him actual policies that have been changed and not only that but policies that benefit, almost exclusively, the middle and lower class, to saying Obama has raised taxes via inflation to which I pointed out that inflation has gone down since Obama's has been in office, to now talking about how the inflation number is calculated differently than it used to be.


Basically I have no idea why I'm even talking to the guy, he has an attention span of a cat, I can't wait to see what other meaningless thing distracts him next.

What are the symptoms of schizophrenia?
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publ.../what-are-the-symptoms-of-schizophrenia.shtml

Positive symptoms are psychotic behaviors not seen in healthy people. People with positive symptoms often "lose touch" with reality. These symptoms can come and go. Sometimes they are severe and at other times hardly noticeable, depending on whether the individual is receiving treatment. They include the following:

Delusions are false beliefs that are not part of the person's culture and do not change. The person believes delusions even after other people prove that the beliefs are not true or logical.

Thought disorders are unusual or dysfunctional ways of thinking. One form of thought disorder is called "disorganized thinking." This is when a person has trouble organizing his or her thoughts or connecting them logically
Yeah, dude needs help!
 

spidey07

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The depths of obama's delusion and narcissism shouldn't really surprise anybody at this point. It is what he is. He thought he did a good job and won.

Obama 'believed he had BEATEN Romney' in Denver debate - after ignoring advice of top aides on preparation

Obama believes he'd got the better of Romney as he walked off stage to the dismay of his aides, according to a Democrat close to the campaign
The President failed to prepare properly, opting instead to visit the Hoover Dam the day before the showdown
Democrat claims he was so disdainful of Romney that he didn't think he needed to even engage with him
Had one-liners on 47% prepared but chose not to use them


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bate-ignoring-advice-aides.html#ixzz28q5nHCPp
 

chucky2

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So that means the next debate will be an endless series of one liners and 'gotchas', with BS mixed in.

Supah...
 

Todd33

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He didn't use one-liners?!! What a prick.

That wasn't a debate, people should see a real debate sometime. Memorizing talking points and zingers does not make one smart or ready to lead. Never mind all the lies...
 
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