should have pulled a Derek Flint and pulled out her pen blowgunHarris should have shot the fly with a Bug A Salt gun
A lot of talk about Pence appearing to have pink-eye, a possible sign of covid-19 infection. I didn't notice that very likely because of my color blindness. I usually don't pick up on red etc. eyes like most people. I figure real good chance he's added to the list of individuals in Trump's entourage who have tested positive in the last week. Of course, Trump may be case 1 or close to it in that circle. We may never know unless they pry out of the White House the information concerning Trump's testing. They are refusing to divulge that. I think we know for certain that he'd tested positive before the positive test that led to his tweet of Friday @1AM. But I think it's very possible he'd tested positive BEFORE THE DEBATE. And knew it.I read the fly came in second. I figure it was there to render the opinion that Pence is as big a shit head as Trump. God knows what other Republican it might have infected in the audience if Pence also has Covid.
I don't think that went well at all for Harris. She could not contain her contempt for Pence whereas Pence gave expressions which treated her as a worthy adversary.
But we have to look at the audience for whom the debate has meaning in the upcoming election. To that, I ask:
1. Did the debate seem to have effect to mobilize would-be Democrat voters more than previously?
2. For someone watching who cannot readily discern fact from fiction on the issues, did they come away identifying better with Harris or Pence?
I suspect my vantage point on these will be different than many others. I hope mine is the one which is wrong.
Re: The Fly. Threads? I've seen a little, but so far nothing in the press. I have seen nothing at the NY Times website. I figure it must be there but not evident on the front page. I assume social media is plastered with it, though.The fly for sure. All we are going to remember from this is the fly on Pence's head. And that visual and the memes generated from it have to drive Trump absolutely insane. He can't find humor in a situation and the optics of it look "weak".
Re: The Fly. Threads? I've seen a little, but so far nothing in the press. I have seen nothing at the NY Times website. I figure it must be there but not evident on the front page. I assume social media is plastered with it, though.
Re: The Fly. Threads? I've seen a little, but so far nothing in the press. I have seen nothing at the NY Times website. I figure it must be there but not evident on the front page. I assume social media is plastered with it, though.
Re: The Fly. Threads? I've seen a little, but so far nothing in the press. I have seen nothing at the NY Times website. I figure it must be there but not evident on the front page. I assume social media is plastered with it, though.
I voted for The Fly, but I agree in main that Harris underperformed whereas Pence, given what he had to work with, was "masterful" in his own way, especially in repeatedly plowing through the moderator's incompetent efforts to get him to stay within his alloted time and strongly, confidently making his case. As BS as "his case" may be, I was not his audience.I don't really think either "won," but ultimately that's a win for Biden since the Trump team lost another opportunity to turn the tide.
I was a Harris supporter at the start of the primaries, but she seems to always under perform in debates.
I voted for The Fly, but I agree in main that Harris underperformed whereas Pence, given what he had to work with, was "masterful" in his own way, especially in repeatedly plowing through the moderator's incompetent efforts to get him to stay within his alloted time and strongly, confidently making his case. As BS as "his case" may be, I was not his audience.
In the end, the simple question "who won" is fraught.
Answering it depends on the assumed parameters the anwerer brings to the question. For me, I reflexively view these events from (my assumed) viewpoint of the "mythical" undecided voter. Just who the hell is still an undecided voter is yet another fetid kettle of fish. However, in answering this way, I've got to say that Pence "won." He simply did a better job of performing, of putting across his viewpoint to the low information undecided, and also, for those godforsaken undecided, thereby winning the (albeit primitive) optics.
Thankfully, I don't think it moves the needle electorally much at all. Folks on both sides are entrenched enough that, in the main those supporting Biden will think Harris won, and vice versa.