I used to have a Tyan board I bought because I wanted the cheapest thing I could find in a PII. It had a 1 year warranty, and 13 months after I bought it the keyboard plug broke off the MoBo. I took it to a good shop, not the one that recommended the Tyan, and they said it's not worth fixing. But they recommended a board they said everyone there had, the P3B-F. And what a board; stable, fast, Asus supported the board for so long after it was sold. So when it came time to upgrade, it was simply a question of the best Asus board for me. I bought the P4P800-D, and after sweating over this thing, applying work arounds to things that didn't work that should work, several hardware conflicts, and a tech support that stops taking phone calls like an hour before they officially close I think I'll be a little faster on my next upgrade. Maybe in 9 months or so. I'm in the process of finding a home for my misplaced fanboydom, Abit seems the lead contender at this time.