Why Afghanistan Beat Russia

[gopunk]

Somolia failed because there was no objective, and we turned a humanitarian mission into a "police action" to get the warlords. The nation also did not have the stomach for the escalation needed to win that conflict.

I'd say we have the resolve now.

true, but remember all that blackhawk down sh!t that happened? the people that we were trying to help got pissed at us and started chucking rocks at us.

 

[Amused]

<< Resolve or not its going to be very ugly. >>



Sometimes the cure is painful. But trust me, it's better than the disease.

I'd rather have an ugly war, than the continued attacks on our soil.

 

[Amused]

<< Somolia failed because there was no objective, and we turned a humanitarian mission into a "police action" to get the warlords. The nation also did not have the stomach for the escalation needed to win that conflict.

I'd say we have the resolve now.

true, but remember all that blackhawk down sh!t that happened? the people that we were trying to help got pissed at us and started chucking rocks at us. >>



Yep. Sad, huh? You can't do the humainitarian aid in hostile territory until you rout the hostiles. We failed do to that, and put out troups AMONG the hostiles with no clear objective. Somolia was even more half-assed than Vietnam.

 

[gopunk]

Yep. Sad, huh? You can't do the humainitarian aid in hostile territory until you rout the hostiles. We failed do to that, and put out troups AMONG the hostiles with no clear objective. Somolia was even more half-assed than Vietnam.

see, that's what i'm worried about. i'm worried that we're going to go in there with all these good intentions and have that same situation all over again. because sometimes good intentions don't always work out as planned and whatnot.

 

[pdo]

Just saw it on the news that Afghanistan have scud missiles near the border of Pakistan. I wonder where did they get the scuds.. Iraq maybe?

 

[rudder]

Not sure how avoidable it is. If the afghanis are in mountains hiding out all over the place, what are you going to do? The place is the size of texas

As I saw in this thread (or another) these guys gotta have beans. They have to eat. Nothing grows in Afghanistan anyway. We'll root them out of there holes with a few propane bombs nicely placed here an there. Asked those iraqis in the fortified bunkers what they think of those things.

Also our military technology has increased tenfold from when the Soviets were there. We can truly see in the dark know and I am not talking about those handy night vision goggles. Also, get a few dedicated satellites over Afghanistan and we will be ready to rock.

 

[marsl]

Plain and simple

step 1: sustain air campaign
step 2: arms to the North Alliances
step 3: North Alliances defeats Taliban
step 4: North Alliances hands over Osama bin Laden or kills him

America Avenged

 

[HowardStern]

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<< Your also forgetting that Russians fight about as well as the Iraqi army did during the Gulf War. We'll do much better. You'll see. >>


You base this on what evidence?

I'll grant you that a motivated force is a stronger one and ours would be motivated, but... >>



The Iraqi army was using crappy Soviet equipment (outdated Soviet equipment but their best stuff is still crap compared to ours). The Gulf War was considered to be a showcase of what would have happenned if we had ever gone to war with the Soviets.

 

[Amused]

<< Yep. Sad, huh? You can't do the humainitarian aid in hostile territory until you rout the hostiles. We failed do to that, and put out troups AMONG the hostiles with no clear objective. Somolia was even more half-assed than Vietnam.

see, that's what i'm worried about. i'm worried that we're going to go in there with all these good intentions and have that same situation all over again. because sometimes good intentions don't always work out as planned and whatnot. >>



It will work MUCH better if we fight side by side with the Northern Alliance forces. When the Afghans under the Taliban see us with their fellow countrymen, I believe that will help with the fears that we wish to rule them.

 

[desy]

The rebels have pledged 20,000 troops to help remove the Taiban I read in an article this morning like I said create the political vaccum and let em sort it out. doesn't work do it again but don't try support puppet gov'ts either they can stand on their own or they can't.

 

[gopunk]

It will work MUCH better if we fight side by side with the Northern Alliance forces. When the Afghans under the Taliban see us with their fellow countrymen, I believe that will help with the fears that we wish to rule them.

yea i agree, i just hope we do that instead of bombing the hell out of that country.

 

[Cooltech2k]

Even if the terrain is tuff a ground war would still be effective assuming it was done right...

With even Numbers we would get whooped on the ground... But I Think we could easly send overwhelming #'s in & Take it the hard way... But that would mean much more US casualties..

 

[Dhruv]

<< It will work MUCH better if we fight side by side with the Northern Alliance forces. When the Afghans under the Taliban see us with their fellow countrymen, I believe that will help with the fears that we wish to rule them.

yea i agree, i just hope we do that instead of bombing the hell out of that country. >>




I also agree. Side with the Northern Opposition, its our best chance, and hopefully we won't over do the bombing campaigns. I just hope that when all ends well and we exterminate the taliban and Bin laden, that the Pathan people won't be targeted because of the past wrongdoings of the Taliban, like what happened to Serbians in Kosovo with the KLA now in full force.

EDIT: Want to add about the first guys statement, he is right folks, Pathans (major ethnic of Taliban) are VERY committed fighters. They used to be very happy, friendly, and proud people too as far as what my parents say, until the Taliban took over in '96, then everything changed.

 

[gopunk]

this is the first i've heard of the pathan, can you tell me more about them?

 

[Dhruv]

<< this is the first i've heard of the pathan, can you tell me more about them? >>



Sure, Afghanistan is a very diverse country. To the south, the main ethnic group is Pasthun (pronounced Paathaan), and to the north there are Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kazakh people. Afghanistan was ruled by several kingdoms, 5 of which were Sikh kingdoms, this is why there are still some Sikhs and Hindus in Afghanistan (oppressed though like the Hazaras). So you have some ethnic groups from NW INdia/Pakistan, some from former soviet countries, some from iran to the west.
The Taliban is composed of primarily Pashtun, and has some Pakistani (probably Punjabi ethnic group) with them. The northern Alliance is composed of Tajiks, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, and other people of north AFghanistan/central asian descent. The Taliban is extremely racist and discriminates against other ethnic groups regardless of religion, so this is the reason the northern alliance and the taliban have been fighting... the Taliban wants to force them to assimilate and lose their ways of life, or die.

 

[CyrixMII333]

Also the taliban uses a very lame white flag which is very different from afganistan. Which mean to surrender to most of us.
They are brainwashing people into commiting suicide for the good of their cause. You see those terrorist that took out WTC are those that have nothing to live for and most likely shot themselve in the head anyway.

 

[marsl]

if you are willing to send in ground forces. ask yourself this-are you willing to go yourself? if you say yes hurry and join the military before they leave without you!
USMC baby