Rant Why America is descending into chaos - liberal policies against law enforcement

[ponyo]

That's fine but either keep your yap shut about current infrastructure or admit it up front before bitching. "Yeah I know my companies took advantage of it but now I'm against it"

He's against it because it's a shitty bill that gives extra $4k to union made EV and plug in hybrids. The plug in hybrid part of the bill is really bad. US automakers can put couple hundred dollars worth of batteries on plug in hybrids and still get extra $4k. It's really shitty bill when you examine the EV portion. Not to mention, the union lobbyists who wrote this shitty bill can't even do basic math. Tesla alone would eat up the entire portion of the EV credit funding in about 2 years at their current sales rate even with just $8k tax credit. And this is supposed to fund til 2031 and include all automakers? Seriously?

 

[ponyo]

I'd trade free toilets for single payer healthcare in an instant.

me too. Then I could stop paying ~$1,100 a month for my awesome $13k deductible, 40% co-pay health insurance.

 

[ch33zw1z]

me too. Then I could stop paying ~$1,100 a month for my awesome $13k deductible, 40% co-pay health insurance.

Why do you hate America?

 

[nakedfrog]

me too. Then I could stop paying ~$1,100 a month for my awesome $13k deductible, 40% co-pay health insurance.

Ah, on the one hand, you adore making sure the Haves can keep on Having, but on the other hand, you'd enjoy the things we could get from them Having Slightly Less™

 

[ponyo]

Ah, on the one hand, you adore making sure the Haves can keep on Having, but on the other hand, you'd enjoy the things we could get from them Having Slightly Less™

Never said I was against things that would benefit me.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...against-law-enforcement.2599723/post-40654973

You think taking money away from Haves is going to solve our healthcare insurance problem? lol. If that was true, I would be first in line taking the money away from the billionaire Haves. But we know giving more to the government will not solve anything. Governments have shown time and time again it's very poor allocator of capital and will waste money given only to demand more. Just like all the Have Not here.

 

[vi edit]

We can keep worshiping the alter of billionaires and graphs like this and keep asking ourselves why things aren't getting any better.

 

[sandorski]

Never said I was against things that would benefit me.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...against-law-enforcement.2599723/post-40654973

You think taking money away from Haves is going to solve our healthcare insurance problem?

Yes, that is part of the solution.

 

[ElFenix]

At least you can walk into most businesses and use their restrooms for free if available. In Europe, you usually have to buy something in order to use their restroom unless you find US business franchise like McDonald's or something.

you don't buy stuff when you use the restroom? that's how locks get put on doors and you have to wait for a key on a lanyard attached to a rubber dinosaur.

 

[feralkid]

you don't buy stuff when you use the restroom? that's how locks get put on doors and you have to wait for a key on a lanyard attached to a rubber dinosaur.

That's already happened at most McDuffs, etc. in Europe; sometimes they have the restroom key-code printed at the bottom of your receipt, so it's free to customers.

Other times the 'receipt" for the WC includes a code which applies what you paid for the toilet privilege to your purchase (go first before ordering).


While these can be lifesavers if you dare:

 

[nakedfrog]

Never said I was against things that would benefit me.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...against-law-enforcement.2599723/post-40654973

You think taking money away from Haves is going to solve our healthcare insurance problem? lol. If that was true, I would be first in line taking the money away from the billionaire Haves. But we know giving more to the government will not solve anything. Governments have shown time and time again it's very poor allocator of capital and will waste money given only to demand more. Just like all the Have Not here.

I'm for single payer healthcare because it benefits everyone, not because it benefits me. If I was paying out the same 10% of my yearly income that I am now and we had single payer, I would have no issue with that.
I sure the fuck don't trust billionaires to do the right thing more than I trust the government to do it.

 

[Meghan54]

Correct. But that's not today. A person can only pay much as the current tax code. And he's paying max under our current tax code. I would go after other billionaires before attacking Musk who's paying $12 billion to $15 billion in taxes in a single year. If you step back and think about the amount, $12 billion is insane number.

And why is he paying that amount? Because he sold millions of shares of Tesla, maybe? Certainly wasn't because of his income, of which he has none. (He gets paid in stock, which means zero taxes until he sells shares.)

And did you know Musk paid less than $70,000 in taxes in 2015 and 2017? He paid 0 (ZERO) taxes in 2018.


And this is on top of his company accepting billions in tax breaks over the years....both Federal and state.

 

[ElFenix]

You think taking money away from Haves is going to solve our healthcare insurance problem? lol. If that was true, I would be first in line taking the money away from the billionaire Haves. But we know giving more to the government will not solve anything. Governments have shown time and time again it's very poor allocator of capital and will waste money given only to demand more. Just like all the Have Not here.

aside from literally every other advanced country on earth, yeah, i guess you're right.

That's already happened at most McDuffs, etc. in Europe; sometimes they have the restroom key-code printed at the bottom of your receipt, so it's free to customers.

it's like that in NYC too.

 

[vi edit]

I'm for single payer healthcare because it benefits everyone, not because it benefits me. If I was paying out the same 10% of my yearly income that I am now and we had single payer, I would have no issue with that.
I sure the fuck don't trust billionaires to do the right thing more than I trust the government to do it.

That...plus your right to health shouldn't be tethered to your employer. It shouldn't be a cudgel they can wield at negotiations or a reason you are forced to continue to working for a toxic employer.

 

[MrSquished]

Never said I was against things that would benefit me.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...against-law-enforcement.2599723/post-40654973

You think taking money away from Haves is going to solve our healthcare insurance problem? lol. If that was true, I would be first in line taking the money away from the billionaire Haves. But we know giving more to the government will not solve anything. Governments have shown time and time again it's very poor allocator of capital and will waste money given only to demand more. Just like all the Have Not here.

Apparently you've never heard of other first world developed nations that have done exactly that. Not all but enough.

It's like Joe Rogan saying 'It's Germany, they don't work over there!'

 

[ponyo]

aside from literally every other advanced country on earth, yeah, i guess you're right.

Hmm... Let me see if I remember what happened last time when I was promised affordable single payer healthcare insurance in this country and what the result was. Obama was the president back then and they promised to tax the rich to pay for it. Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act was passed in 2010 and that was supposed to fund healthcare reform.

So how did this benefit me? Let me see. I now have to pay extra 3.8% on my federal income tax pretty much every year. Last year 3.8% extra was a doozy and this year is not looking much better for me. As my reward for paying that extra 3.8% NIIT, I get the privilege to pay ~$1,100 a month on top for my awesome Healthcare.gov Bronze plan with $13k deductible and 40% co-pay. I'm told I should be grateful I get to subsidize others on Healthcare.gov so they can get the cheaper and better Silver and Gold plans on subsidy while I get no help. Yeah, that worked out so great last time. Let me trust the government to give me better deal this time.

 

[Brainonska511]

Hmm... Let me see if I remember what happened last time when I was promised affordable single payer healthcare insurance in this country and what the result was. Obama was the president back then and they promised to tax the rich to pay for it. Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act was passed in 2010 and that was supposed to fund healthcare reform.

So how did this benefit me? Let me see. I now have to pay extra 3.8% on my federal income tax pretty much every year. Last year 3.8% extra was a doozy and this year is not looking much better for me. As my reward for paying that extra 3.8% NIIT, I get the privilege to pay ~$1,100 a month on top for my awesome Healthcare.gov Bronze plan with $13k deductible and 40% co-pay. I'm told I should be grateful I get to subsidize others on Healthcare.gov so they can get the cheaper and better Silver and Gold plans on subsidy while I get no help. Yeah, that worked out so great last time. Let me trust the government to give me better deal this time.

Under the ACA and some recent temporary amends from the American Rescue Plan, premiums aren't supposed to exceed 8.5% of household income (regardless of income). Assuming you're at the 8.5% limit, I'll break out the tiny violin for your >$155,000 household income.

 

[nakedfrog]

Hmm... Let me see if I remember what happened last time when I was promised affordable single payer healthcare insurance in this country and what the result was.

You were promised affordable single payer healthcare?

Obama statements on single-payer have changed a bit

President Barack Obama has been prodding Congress to follow his principles on health care reform. He's advocating the sa

www.politifact.com

• In his book The Audacity of Hope , published in October 2006 when he was a U.S. senator, Obama described single-payer as the hope of the left, while those on the right wanted a market-based approach. "It's time we broke this impasse by acknowledging a few simple truths," Obama wrote, suggesting a system much like the one he supports today.
• In April 2007, a few months after he declared his candidacy for presidency, the Chicago Tribune reported, "Obama has pledged that, if elected, all Americans would have health-care coverage by the end of his first term. He has said he is reluctant to switch to a 'single-payer' national health insurance system because of the difficulty in making a quick transition from the employer-based private system."

If you have evidence of where you were promised this, I'd be keen to see it.

 

[ponyo]

You were promised affordable single payer healthcare?

Obama statements on single-payer have changed a bit

President Barack Obama has been prodding Congress to follow his principles on health care reform. He's advocating the sa

www.politifact.com

If you have evidence of where you were promised this, I'd be keen to see it.

Maybe my memory is little fuzzy and he didn't promise single payer. But I know what we have today, and I know I'm getting the short end of the stick despite paying the extra 3.8% NIIT thanks to Obama.

 

[ponyo]

Under the ACA and some recent temporary amends from the American Rescue Plan, premiums aren't supposed to exceed 8.5% of household income (regardless of income). Assuming you're at the 8.5% limit, I'll break out the tiny violin for your >$155,000 household income.

Get rid of 3.8% NIIT, and I won't bitch about the healthcare premium I have to pay.

 

[Brainonska511]

Get rid of 3.8% NIIT, and I won't bitch about the healthcare premium I have to pay.

Capital gains are already heavily privileged vs ordinary income, so again, tiny violin.

 

[ponyo]

Capital gains are already heavily privileged vs ordinary income, so again, tiny violin.

Short term capital gains count as ordinary income. So that extra 3.8% is added on top of the max 37% fed rate. So no, I'm paying NIIT on top of ordinary income rate, not LT capital gains rate. I'm not getting any privileged tax treatment.

 

[IronWing]

Maybe my memory is little fuzzy and he didn't promise single payer. But I know what we have today, and I know I'm getting the short end of the stick despite paying the extra 3.8% NIIT thanks to Obama.

Next time, vote for liberals. If you want to keep getting the hogging on healthcare, keep voting for conservatives like Obama.

 

[MrSquished]

If the Democrats didn't need 60 votes to break a republican filibuster, there would have been a public option in the ACA, a giant step for healthcare.

The key democrat against the public option? Joe Lieberman.

That guy can eat shit.

 

[feralkid]

If the Democrats didn't need 60 votes to break a republican filibuster, there would have been a public option in the ACA, a giant step for healthcare.

The key democrat against the public option? Joe Lieberman.

That guy can eat shit.

On rye.

 

[IronWing]

If the Democrats didn't need 60 votes to break a republican filibuster, there would have been a public option in the ACA, a giant step for healthcare.

The key democrat against the public option? Joe Lieberman.

That guy can eat shit.

The Democrats knew what Lieberman was when they picked him up.