Why Bush Won

[Aimster]

1) Economy is good. People who are voting now tend to look at what they have in their wallets. A lot of defense contracts are out and that has helped pushed the economy forward. Economy is good especially after the .com and 9/11.
2) Tax cuts.
3) Unemployement benefits were extended under Bush.
4) Tax relief for families with college students (Bush upped the limit on the amount you could get for each college kid).
5) Having a home is so much easier now. Homes are worth so much more today than when Clinton was in office. Tax is better for selling a home under Bush than Clinton.
6) Terrorism/Iraq. The war might have been wrong in their eyes, but it was not a big issue for them.
7) Tax - easier for stock market investors

Seemed Clinton taxed a lot in Republican's eyes.

Republicans I asked seemed to think Kerry was all about the elderly trying to get them free health care. Not a big issue for them. Want health care? Their solution is to get a job. Kerry didn't have any solid answers. He had no solution for the economy.

People just didn't want a change. The war in Iraq is not in the U.S. It is in Iraq. 1,000 deaths might seem like a lot, but there are millions of citizens in the U.S. Those are the prices of war and in Republican eyes it is small.

If anyone wants to add/comment go ahead. I don't know how much of it is true, just what they told me.

G'Night.

 

[Infohawk]

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[Abraxas]

If the Republicans do win, which it seems they will, it will be because Kerry let Bush define him and he insisted on fighting every issue on Bush's terms.

 

[bobbybe01]

Originally posted by: Aimster
1) Economy is bad. Worst deficit.
2) Tax cuts for rich buddies.
3) Unemployement benefits were screwed under Bush.
4) College tuition continues to rise.
5) Having a home is harder since losing your job.
6) Terrorism/Iraq. Bush mislead the US and made it seem like a moral, instead of a political issue. His defense mechanism: "We'll kick your *** no matter what.."
7) Tax - Screws middle class.

Seemed Clinton taxed a lot in Republican's eyes....but it's because they were not in the office and they didn't want to make it easy on Willy Boy.

People are stupid. Stupid is, as stupid does. Thanks America.

Fixed.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Originally posted by: Aimster
1) Economy is bad. Worst deficit.
2) Tax cuts for rich buddies.
3) Unemployement benefits were screwed under Bush.
4) College tuition continues to rise.
5) Having a home is harder since losing your job.
6) Terrorism/Iraq. Bush mislead the US and made it seem like a moral, instead of a political issue. His defense mechanism: "We'll kick your *** no matter what.."
7) Tax - Screws middle class.

Seemed Clinton taxed a lot in Republican's eyes....but it's because they were not in the office and they didn't want to make it easy on Willy Boy.

People are stupid. Stupid is, as stupid does. Thanks America.

Fixed.

Funny thing is a lot of the points I made they mentioned Bush's father and not Bush.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

And the fact that the democrats have not put up a decent candidate for 30 years. And when people asked well, Kerry what are your plans for the country? Then respondes, tell you in January. WTF?

 

[Piano Man]

Here is my take on why BUsh won (if he has)


1. Youth vote did NOT get out
2. Evangelicals voted more.
3. Somehow how "Moral Issues" became a big issue even though moral issues only deal with gay marriage and abortion. THis is linked to #2.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Piano Man
Here is my take on why BUsh won (if he has)


1. Youth vote did NOT get out
2. Evangelicals voted more.
3. Somehow how "Moral Issues" became a big issue even though moral issues only deal with gay marriage and abortion. THis is linked to #2.

Indeed. Though I think this reflects something that the Dems can't campaign against I also think the Republicans did a better job at mobilizing their base.

 

[Moonbeam]

My gardener told me that Bush will win because he is an idiot and a majority will say he's just like me.

 

[theblackbox]

if bush wins it because kerry never ran on anything except for the fact that he thinks bush is doing a bad job. kerry, win or not, is a bad choice for a dem. he has no character, and no strong points. he hadno real platform except for bush sucks, and he never really told us what he would do better.

But until someone throws in the towel, it's not over.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
And the fact that the democrats have not put up a decent candidate for 30 years. And when people asked well, Kerry what are your plans for the country? Then respondes, tell you in January. WTF?

Heh... Last I checked, there was a Democrat who won two terms quite handily just about four years ago.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Piano Man
Here is my take on why BUsh won (if he has)


1. Youth vote did NOT get out
2. Evangelicals voted more.
3. Somehow how "Moral Issues" became a big issue even though moral issues only deal with gay marriage and abortion. THis is linked to #2.

Yes, it seems the Evangelicals, "Moral values" and the "War on Terror" (fear) carried the day.

 

[breweyez]

gee....maybe the dems needed a better candidate!!!

sorry...but Kerry is a snake....the dems could have found a better candidate

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
social issues social issues social issues

Exactly. Same-sex marriage ban was on the ballot in quite a few states and that brought out the fundies in droves.

Bigots determining the futures of others' lives.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
And the fact that the democrats have not put up a decent candidate for 30 years. And when people asked well, Kerry what are your plans for the country? Then respondes, tell you in January. WTF?

Yeah, think about it. From 1980-2008, we will have had 1 Democrat president. Quite a Republican reign.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Infohawk
social issues social issues social issues

Exactly. Same-sex marriage ban was on the ballot in quite a few states and that brought out the fundies in droves.

Bigots determining the futures of others' lives.

yeah, the gay marriage was banned in oregon? Is that a biggot state? It passed 58%-42%. I guess 58% of people in Oregon are bigots. More like they have morals. Obviously you are pissed you man got owned tonight.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Infohawk
social issues social issues social issues

Exactly. Same-sex marriage ban was on the ballot in quite a few states and that brought out the fundies in droves.

Bigots determining the futures of others' lives.

yeah, the gay marriage was banned in oregon? Is that a biggot state? It passed 58%-42%. I guess 58% of people in Oregon are bigots. More like they have morals. Obviously you are pissed you man got owned tonight.

Fvcking give it up with the childish and ignorant remarks.

Kerry did not get "owned" tonight. Yes, Bush is ahead in the popular vote and will take the electoral vote but it's still a very close race...hardly a mandate for Bush even given the huge fundamental Christian turnout.

And, yes, those 58% in Oregon are bigots. How in the hell is same-sex marriage going to affect you? It's considered a sin by your religion, right? Well, guess what? Your religion has NO SAY in our government's laws.

Christian Reconstructionism is beginning to take hold and it will be the downfall of this great nation. I feel it in my bones.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Infohawk
social issues social issues social issues

Exactly. Same-sex marriage ban was on the ballot in quite a few states and that brought out the fundies in droves.

Bigots determining the futures of others' lives.

yeah, the gay marriage was banned in oregon? Is that a biggot state? It passed 58%-42%. I guess 58% of people in Oregon are bigots. More like they have morals. Obviously you are pissed you man got owned tonight.

Fvcking give it up with the childish and ignorant remarks.

Kerry did not get "owned" tonight. Yes, Bush is ahead in the popular vote and will take the electoral vote but it's still a very close race...hardly a mandate for Bush even given the huge fundamental Christian turnout.

And, yes, those 58% in Oregon are bigots. How in the hell is same-sex marriage going to affect you? It's considered a sin by your religion, right? Well, guess what? Your religion has NO SAY in our government's laws.

Christian Reconstructionism is beginning to take hold and it will be the downfall of this great nation. I feel it in my bones.

IM NOT RELIGIOUS. IM ATHIEST. And guess what? I'm still against same sex marriage. Why? Because marriage is between a man and woman. If two men or two women want a Union, thats fine w/ me. Marriage is not something for them, I'm sorry. It says right in the dictionary that marriage is a union between a man and woman.

 

[conjur]

No, the dictionary does NOT say that and you're an atheist as much as I'm a bible-thumper.

 

[nageov3t]

It says right in the dictionary that marriage is a union between a man and woman.

I 100% don't want to get involved in the gay marriage argument again... but just on the dictionary point, the dictionary reflects society, not the other way around.

had there been a dictionary a few thousand years ago, the definition would probably be that marriage is between a man and as many women as he wants.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Conjur, I would suggest you heed your own advice. I am Republican, and voted as such today...however, I see no problem with "same sex marriage" at all, Man to Man, Woman to Woman, Man to Woman...it makes no difference to me in the least. Its not like Marriage is something that is held high in this country anyhow...what with the 50% divorce rate and all. There are Republicans that are not religious "fundies" out there, and I for one do not appreciate being grouped as such.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur
No, the dictionary does NOT say that and you're an atheist as much as I'm a bible-thumper.

im not religious at all. I don't go to church, I'm athiest.


It's not in the dictionary?

mar·riage ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mrj)
n.

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

 

[VietDude]

I am a Democrat in the state of CA. I didn't bother voitng since i know CA is a demo stat and it turned my assumption was right so does my vote really count. Bush seemingly is gonna win.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: Abraxas
If the Republicans do win, which it seems they will, it will be because Kerry let Bush define him and he insisted on fighting every issue on Bush's terms.

Personally Kerry as a person lacked the passion and charisma of Clinton. As such Kerry came off as higly educated but a person that had no heart or gumption to shoot at the issue. That and Kerry was a lame duck from the get go because he voted for the war. I argue we as a nation would be in a much different place had Dean or a similar candidate, that was 180 degrees to Bush, had been in this election. But all in hind sight is obvious and certainly nothing we can change. From here, we as democrats need to learn somehting from this election, we need to learn how we lost so much of what we had and how do we get back to that.

 

[Makromizer]

Originally posted by: loki8481

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had there been a dictionary a few thousand years ago, the definition would probably be that marriage is between a man and as many women as he wants.

Which moron changed that anyway?