Why do liberals hate America?

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Zzzzzzzzendari

Your deflecting aside, Bush IS going somewhere and after he has come and gone, those same social programs that make you cry deep into the night will still be here and you will still be paying into them.

Every time I see a unwed mom toting 10 kids into a clinic to pay for their kids healthcare with your paycheck taxes, I feel all warm and fuzzy inside Americans don't let trivial things like kids being afforded the right for free health care stand in the way of their happiness. But it is great to see how miserable it makes the America haters.

Perhaps. No matter how much the socialists have usurped our rights, that gives no reason to give up the fight.

I agree, no matter how the neoconservatives have set us back, we can get them removed from office never to return to DC again. No matter how much these corporate socialists have usurped our rights, that gives no reason to give up the fight.

 

[BoomerD]

I'm always amazed at the cons who think that taxes are bad nasty things, and that lib-ruls are horrible animals, then proceed to drive on roads that lib-ruls voted to tax themselves to build, to use police and fire departments, that lib-ruls voted to tax themselves to pay for, to drink water that lib-ruls voted to tax themselves to bring to a city, clean and make at least somewhat drinkable...etc...I can go on and on, but it seems like a waste, since I think the point is made. You can't have a nation like we have without taxes. SOMEONE has to pay for the government services. It's just too dammed bad if you don't like paying taxes, that's just the way it is in the USA...Liberals have been at the forefront of all the major gains this country has made. Voting to tax themselves to pay for improvments, doing the work themselves, and, yes, voting to tax YOU to help pay for it as well, since you'll probably use some of those services as well. If you don't, gee, that's too bad Joe...

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN"

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

 

[benlewis]

I have been a conservative all my life, but after the last 5 or 6 years of seeing everyone getting screwed except the 20 big corp. I can no longer be a Republican. It is a sad thing that I feel this way.

And I can't be a Democrat until Barbara Streisand is commited!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I'm always amazed at the cons who think that taxes are bad nasty things, and that lib-ruls are horrible animals, then proceed to drive on roads that lib-ruls voted to tax themselves to build, to use police and fire departments, that lib-ruls voted to tax themselves to pay for, to drink water that lib-ruls voted to tax themselves to bring to a city, clean and make at least somewhat drinkable...etc...I can go on and on, but it seems like a waste, since I think the point is made. You can't have a nation like we have without taxes. SOMEONE has to pay for the government services. It's just too dammed bad if you don't like paying taxes, that's just the way it is in the USA...Liberals have been at the forefront of all the major gains this country has made. Voting to tax themselves to pay for improvments, doing the work themselves, and, yes, voting to tax YOU to help pay for it as well, since you'll probably use some of those services as well. If you don't, gee, that's too bad Joe...

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN"

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid a straw man argument based on prejudice and overgeneralization can be. And must the new left be just exactly like the old new right of the Clinton era? As a moderate who once leaned quite left and usually votes Democrat, it does not endear me (or anyone else IMO) to your anti-capitalist commie cause, anymore than I have ever been endeared to the new right's pseudo-capitalist fascist cause.

Here's a tip: the word liberal is derived from liberty. Not communism. Not socialism. I am a liberal. I support social, economic, and political freedoms and liberties to the furthest extent possible. That's what makes me a liberal. If you believe that tripe you posted, then you are not. So don't take credit for things your cause had nothing to do with, or steal the names and accomplishments of causes you don't actually belong to in order to steal the glory for your own cause.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I'm always amazed at the cons who think that taxes are bad nasty things, and that lib-ruls are horrible animals, then proceed to drive on roads that lib-ruls voted to tax themselves to build, to use police and fire departments, that lib-ruls voted to tax themselves to pay for, to drink water that lib-ruls voted to tax themselves to bring to a city, clean and make at least somewhat drinkable...etc...I can go on and on, but it seems like a waste, since I think the point is made. You can't have a nation like we have without taxes. SOMEONE has to pay for the government services. It's just too dammed bad if you don't like paying taxes, that's just the way it is in the USA...Liberals have been at the forefront of all the major gains this country has made. Voting to tax themselves to pay for improvments, doing the work themselves, and, yes, voting to tax YOU to help pay for it as well, since you'll probably use some of those services as well. If you don't, gee, that's too bad Joe...

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN"

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

:thumbsup:

Freakin Liberals!! :|

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BoomerD

It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid a straw man argument based on prejudice and overgeneralization can be. And must the new left be just exactly like the old new right of the Clinton era? As a moderate who once leaned quite left and usually votes Democrat, it does not endear me (or anyone else IMO) to your anti-capitalist commie cause, anymore than I have ever been endeared to the new right's pseudo-capitalist fascist cause.

Here's a tip: the word liberal is derived from liberty. Not communism. Not socialism. I am a liberal. I support social, economic, and political freedoms and liberties to the furthest extent possible. That's what makes me a liberal. If you believe that tripe you posted, then you are not. So don't take credit for things your cause had nothing to do with, or steal the names and accomplishments of causes you don't actually belong to in order to steal the glory for your own cause.

Everything he said is Gospel Truth.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: benlewis
I have been a conservative all my life, but after the last 5 or 6 years of seeing everyone getting screwed except the 20 big corp. I can no longer be a Republican. It is a sad thing that I feel this way.

And I can't be a Democrat until Barbara Streisand is commited!

That's one!!!! :beer:


Who else is coming back from the dark side????

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Mathlete

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Mathlete
I'm confused. Do you want to do away with the whole tax system?

Taxes are actually not required. In fact, we actually pay them almost solely to protect the interests of the rich who have significant assets and banks who have made loans to the government, and other such interested parties who require protection from inflation. Otherwise, it could be possible to fund a government solely by altering the currency supply -- a provision that would have been in the US Constitution except for the fact that our country began life already saddled with considerable debt (from the Revolutionary War).

Although I don't question the fact that a "government" could be run on very little money, I do feel that it takes taxes to build a "nation". The fact that our taxes are spent in F'ed up places is a different story.

Read what I posted again and then realize how much your response didn't make sense.

Under the constitution, the government was to control the money and the money supply. Any money it possibly need it could simply run right off the printing presses. The effect would be inflation, but that would only hurt those with cash assets. Otherwise, the inflationary effect would have little more effect on the state of individual finances than does our current system of taxation, and would be infinitely fairer. In fact, through a system known as fractional reserve banking, we allow private banks to print just about as much money as they want to simply by lending it out (which essentially makes it so that banks control the money supply in the country, and not the Congress as is constitutionally-required).
The modern system of taxation comes from the tribute paid to the kings in ancient times. We pay taxes to protect the holdings and businesses of the banks and the very rich and for no other reason.
And oh BTW, I am a banker.

This system I'm referring to was first prominently championed in our modern economy by Upton Sinclair in the 1920's. Mr. Sinclair was that very same "girly-man liberal (who) fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry" that made Joe's bacon safe.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Everything he said is Gospel Truth.

Liberal -- you ain't one.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Everything he said is Gospel Truth.

Liberal -- you ain't one.

You should read that link.

 

[raildogg]

There are no liberals on P&N.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Everything he said is Gospel Truth.

Liberal -- you ain't one.

You should read that link.

I have:

Broadly speaking, liberalism seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, especially of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of minorities are guaranteed.

Compare that with that "gospel truth" rant above.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Everything he said is Gospel Truth.

Liberal -- you ain't one.

You should read that link.

I have:

Broadly speaking, liberalism seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, especially of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of minorities are guaranteed.

Compare that with that "gospel truth" rant above.

Ya, read past the opening paragraph to see it's not so neat and tidy as that quote. How that even touches on what BoomerD said is quite puzzling.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ya, read past the opening paragraph to see it's not so neat and tidy as that quote. How that even touches on what BoomerD said is quite puzzling.

I assume you're referring to the hidden communist agenda that has infiltrated itself into liberalism under the name "social liberalism." That is an contradiction in terms. You cannot protect the rights of one person by unjustly revoking the rights of another.

How that even "touches" is simple. Everything BoomerD posted began with the assumption that government is a god that can give things for free, and that his brand of glorious liberalism was the only entity that made all that possible. Of course that is not true. It also implied that because there were successes in the past, that there will without question be successes in the future. That is inherently illogical. It then implied that the free exchange of ideas, in this case recognized as the voice and opinion of dissent, should not be allowed.
In short, he sounded like the Rush Limbaugh of the new left, and nothing like true liberalism at all.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ya, read past the opening paragraph to see it's not so neat and tidy as that quote. How that even touches on what BoomerD said is quite puzzling.

I assume you're referring to the hidden communist agenda that has infiltrated itself into liberalism under the name "social liberalism." That is an contradiction in terms. You cannot protect the rights of one person by unjustly revoking the rights of another.

How that even "touches" is simple. Everything BoomerD posted began with the assumption that government is a god that can give things for free, and that his brand of glorious liberalism was the only entity that made all that possible. Of course that is not true. It also implied that because there were successes in the past, that there will without question be successes in the future. That is inherently illogical. It then implied that the free exchange of ideas, in this case recognized as the voice and opinion of dissent, should not be allowed.
In short, he sounded like the Rush Limbaugh of the new left, and nothing like true liberalism at all.

"Communist Agenda" rofl, there ya go again. Where does he say anything close to such a thing? Talk about strawman.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: K1052
That reply is as stupid as what it is meant to respond to.

Conservatives:"You Liberals hate America"

Yeah, talk about arrogance. Geez. I can't believe (well I guess anyone named "rightiswrong" might) anyone would laud that, particularly the last couple

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

I assume you're referring to the hidden communist agenda

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Lay down the crackpipe, just because people don't want to have to scoop fellow dead frozen americans out of the gutters does not mean you are a commie. Or have to live around sick people, like it or not we are strongest when helping one another, no man is a island to himself, what you call a man like that is a sociopath.

What you call someone who thinks commies are hiding under the rug is a wingnut who reads too many of these.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: K1052
That reply is as stupid as what it is meant to respond to.

Conservatives:"You Liberals hate America"

Yeah, talk about arrogance. Geez. I can't believe (well I guess anyone named "rightiswrong" might) anyone would laud that, particularly the last couple

Once again Frackel, you miss the most obvious point to try to score some non-existant point in your own mind.

The point of the OP was that the BS that is spewed by the rabid right and that is swallowed like a tequila shot at Mardi Gras by a very big majority of the talking head audience can be applied to the right with just as strong of a fallacious arguement.

Can either of you please point to the part of the OP where I stated that these are accurate or even true. Betcha can't!!!

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: techs
It's not a question of who hates America more.
It's a question of who wants to change America more.
The traditional Democrats and Conservatives are pretty close in that they want to make about the same amount of changes just in different directions.
The neo-cons want drastic change and are even willing to bankrupt the country to achieve their aims.
So if you equate as I do 'hating' America by your dissatisfaction with America as it is then the neo-cons 'hate' America as much as the Communists do.

QFT

Exactly right.

 

[BoomerD]

Let me guess...you who hate liberals, also think the ACLU is anti-ameirican? Considering that it's only goal it so defend all provisions of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, I can understand why cons hate them...NO, the causes they take aren't often popular, hell, I even got pissed when they took Rush Analcyst's side in his recent "pharmacutical adventure" , but, like it or not, they were right to do so...Yep, they defend the freedoms guaranteed in those "quaint documents"...very anti-american...

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Let me guess...you who hate liberals, also think the ACLU is anti-ameirican? Considering that it's only goal it so defend all provisions of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, I can understand why cons hate them...NO, the causes they take aren't often popular, hell, I even got pissed when they took Rush Analcyst's side in his recent "pharmacutical adventure" , but, like it or not, they were right to do so...Yep, they defend the freedoms guaranteed in those "quaint documents"...very anti-american...

They are terrorist bullies that try to change the meaning and spirit of the Constitution.

Those quaint documents were written only after a prayer began each and every meeting. I wonder If they defend that? Probably to busy with defending mens rights to sex with little boys... :laugh:

Now that is definately defending America!!!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Let me guess...you who hate liberals, also think the ACLU is anti-ameirican? Considering that it's only goal it so defend all provisions of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, I can understand why cons hate them...NO, the causes they take aren't often popular, hell, I even got pissed when they took Rush Analcyst's side in his recent "pharmacutical adventure" , but, like it or not, they were right to do so...Yep, they defend the freedoms guaranteed in those "quaint documents"...very anti-american...

They are terrorist bullies that try to change the meaning and spirit of the Constitution.

Those quaint documents were written only after a prayer began each and every meeting. I wonder If they defend that? Probably to busy with defending mens rights to sex with little boys... :laugh:

Now that is definately defending America!!!

What a shame, seems your braincells divorced you along with your manhood.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Let me guess...you who hate liberals, also think the ACLU is anti-ameirican? Considering that it's only goal it so defend all provisions of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, I can understand why cons hate them...NO, the causes they take aren't often popular, hell, I even got pissed when they took Rush Analcyst's side in his recent "pharmacutical adventure" , but, like it or not, they were right to do so...Yep, they defend the freedoms guaranteed in those "quaint documents"...very anti-american...

They are terrorist bullies that try to change the meaning and spirit of the Constitution.

Those quaint documents were written only after a prayer began each and every meeting. I wonder If they defend that? Probably to busy with defending mens rights to sex with little boys... :laugh:

Now that is definately defending America!!!

Though I have my issues with the ACLU (one in particular grates on me) I generally find them to be sincere in their desire to protect our constitutional freedoms. This includes defending NAMBLA on the basis of 1st amendment protections as you mentioned. The protection of unpopular speech, no matter how distasteful we may find it, is an admirable goal and one I should think the founders would support since they put it first on the list.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Let me guess...you who hate liberals, also think the ACLU is anti-ameirican? Considering that it's only goal it so defend all provisions of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, I can understand why cons hate them...NO, the causes they take aren't often popular, hell, I even got pissed when they took Rush Analcyst's side in his recent "pharmacutical adventure" , but, like it or not, they were right to do so...Yep, they defend the freedoms guaranteed in those "quaint documents"...very anti-american...

They are terrorist bullies that try to change the meaning and spirit of the Constitution.

Those quaint documents were written only after a prayer began each and every meeting. I wonder If they defend that? Probably to busy with defending mens rights to sex with little boys... :laugh:

Now that is definately defending America!!!

Though I have my issues with the ACLU (one in particular grates on me) I generally find them to be sincere in their desire to protect our constitutional freedoms. This includes defending NAMBLA on the basis of 1st amendment protections as you mentioned. The protection of unpopular speech, no matter how distasteful we may find it, is an admirable goal and one I should think the founders would support since they put it first on the list.

Yes I am sure they had defending people who prey our children on their minds... That last sentence of yours I believe to be sincere and that is telling and worrisome. There isn't anything admirable about skewing the constitution so that you can rape little boys IMO. And If you did a poll I think you see that the silent majority is overwhelmingly appauled by those creeps. If I ever caught one of them creeps near one of my 3 boys he meet the working end of my Louisville slugger and go Barry Bonds on his arse.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: K1052
That reply is as stupid as what it is meant to respond to.

Conservatives:"You Liberals hate America"

Yeah, talk about arrogance. Geez. I can't believe (well I guess anyone named "rightiswrong" might) anyone would laud that, particularly the last couple

Once again Frackel, you miss the most obvious point to try to score some non-existant point in your own mind.

The point of the OP was that the BS that is spewed by the rabid right and that is swallowed like a tequila shot at Mardi Gras by a very big majority of the talking head audience can be applied to the right with just as strong of a fallacious arguement.

Can either of you please point to the part of the OP where I stated that these are accurate or even true. Betcha can't!!!

Oh ok... you didnt say it was "TRUE," you just said " that it was a pretty good comeback to the "Liberals hate America" and the just-as-frequently-used "Liberalism is akin to terrorism" mularky: "

And half the quote was not about characterizing conservatives, it was about characterizing liberals as x, x, x, and x. You didn't make that clear enough if you really meant it; where in your OP do you state that the characterizations of liberals is hyperbole/untrue whatever?

You say it was a "pretty good comeback" .. safe to say you liked what was said. YOU have to say "I like what was said but I find these parts untrue/inaccurate"... you can't expect us to read your mind.

By the way, which parts of those characterizations of liberals do you find inaccurate?