Why fight America's war?

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan
It is discriminatory No its not
It is archaic No its not
It is outdated No its not
It is inferior No its not

Sorry, but you can't change the definition of discriminatory just to hide your bigot beliefs.

Sorry, but your saying it doesnt make it discriminatory nor does it make me a bigot

Keep lying to yourself if it helps you sleep better at nights.

I dont need to lie, and I sleep fine

It's sad if you sleep fine without lying to yourself. That means that you're even more hopeless than before. How can you let yourself be so blinded as to support discrimination?

I am not blinded, and I do not support discrimination

:roll:[/quote]

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: K1052

Your true Islamic state has about the same chances of existing today as a true Communist state, basically none.

That doesnt mean that women dont have equivalent rights in Islam.

Most Western nations currently have all the rights you listed and more.

As I said, its a synopsis. They formulated the rights I listed some 1000 years later after the religion had listed them.

What difference does it make if you are not able to implement it? It remains religious/political theory.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan
It is discriminatory No its not
It is archaic No its not
It is outdated No its not
It is inferior No its not

Sorry, but you can't change the definition of discriminatory just to hide your bigot beliefs.

Sorry, but your saying it doesnt make it discriminatory nor does it make me a bigot

Keep lying to yourself if it helps you sleep better at nights.

I dont need to lie, and I sleep fine

It's sad if you sleep fine without lying to yourself. That means that you're even more hopeless than before. How can you let yourself be so blinded as to support discrimination?

I am not blinded, and I do not support discrimination

:roll:

[/quote]


:disgust:

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: K1052

Your true Islamic state has about the same chances of existing today as a true Communist state, basically none.

That doesnt mean that women dont have equivalent rights in Islam.

Most Western nations currently have all the rights you listed and more.

As I said, its a synopsis. They formulated the rights I listed some 1000 years later after the religion had listed them.

What difference does it make if you are not able to implement it? It remains religious/political theory.

Doesnt make the theory wrong. Man corrupts the theory, not the other way around.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan
It is discriminatory No its not
It is archaic No its not
It is outdated No its not
It is inferior No its not

Sorry, but you can't change the definition of discriminatory just to hide your bigot beliefs.

Sorry, but your saying it doesnt make it discriminatory nor does it make me a bigot

Keep lying to yourself if it helps you sleep better at nights.

I dont need to lie, and I sleep fine

It's sad if you sleep fine without lying to yourself. That means that you're even more hopeless than before. How can you let yourself be so blinded as to support discrimination?

I am not blinded, and I do not support discrimination

:roll:

:disgust:[/quote]

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: K1052

Your true Islamic state has about the same chances of existing today as a true Communist state, basically none.

That doesnt mean that women dont have equivalent rights in Islam.

Most Western nations currently have all the rights you listed and more.

As I said, its a synopsis. They formulated the rights I listed some 1000 years later after the religion had listed them.

What difference does it make if you are not able to implement it? It remains religious/political theory.

Doesnt make the theory wrong. Man corrupts the theory, not the other way around.

Not necessarily wrong, just useless like many other political theories.

I guess I am just a pragmatist.

 

[Sultan]

Not necessarily wrong, just useless like many other political theories.

I guess I am just a pragmatist.

Cant be useless if many of the Western nations use the same theories. All that is needed for efficient people to implement the theories properly.

 

[exdeath]

Pull out and nuke them.

It's the only way to be sure.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: alchemize
What I don't understand is why they are arguing about the *tax system*???

Geez, you want to surface all the obscene discriminatory brutality, just start talking about women's rights in islam.

Women have more than enough rights in Islam. If you have reasons to believe contrary, please let me know, and I'll give you proof otherwise.

Are there any female Imans? I await your response.

 

[DeMeo]

hatim:

What country are you from and what planet is that country on?
Wherever it is, I'd have to guess that the major resource is crack cocaine.

 

[trexpesto]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: alchemize
What I don't understand is why they are arguing about the *tax system*???

Geez, you want to surface all the obscene discriminatory brutality, just start talking about women's rights in islam.

Women have more than enough rights in Islam. If you have reasons to believe contrary, please let me know, and I'll give you proof otherwise.

Are there any female Imans? I await your response.

Yeah when you say "more than enough rights": oops! your bias is showing... Everyone should have all possible rights. Pretty obvious.

Most religions get some stuff wrong, otherwise they are just philosophies.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: DeMeo
hatim:

What country are you from and what planet is that country on?
Wherever it is, I'd have to guess that the major resource is crack cocaine.

He's from Pakistan.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: alchemize
What I don't understand is why they are arguing about the *tax system*???

Geez, you want to surface all the obscene discriminatory brutality, just start talking about women's rights in islam.

Women have more than enough rights in Islam. If you have reasons to believe contrary, please let me know, and I'll give you proof otherwise.

Are there any female Imans? I await your response.

to lead prayers? Females can lead females to prayers. Men Can lead both men and women.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: trexpesto
Yeah when you say "more than enough rights": oops! your bias is showing... Everyone should have all possible rights. Pretty obvious.

Most religions get some stuff wrong, otherwise they are just philosophies.

Well people have to justify their hate somehow. I suppose some do it hiding behind religion.

 

[The Green Bean]

its true, it gives more rights to women thatn any other system. Western world may think they are goving alot of rights but in truth they arent. Just degrading them to sex symbols IMO.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: DeMeo
hatim:

What country are you from and what planet is that country on?
Wherever it is, I'd have to guess that the major resource is crack cocaine.

He's from Pakistan.

Major resource is rice. Heard of basmati? Sadly no other natural or industrial resorces, except natural gas to an extent.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: hatim
its true, it gives more rights to women thatn any other system. Western world may think they are goving alot of rights but in truth they arent. Just degrading them to sex symbols IMO.

I know what you mean. Women should not be allowed to leave their homes. And on the rare occasions in which they do decide to disobey and leave, they should should be punished by stoning.

 

[trexpesto]

All organized religions SUCK and their followers are TOOLS without the ability or willingness to FORM AN ORIGINAL AND AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCE OF THE UNIVERSE. EDIT: or to deal with infinite uncertainty...
"Dude's gettin a Dell"

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: hatim
its true, it gives more rights to women thatn any other system. Western world may think they are goving alot of rights but in truth they arent. Just degrading them to sex symbols IMO.

Well, you've lost me here. Other countries allow women to be equals to men - in other words, people (looking at it from a societal view) become asexual.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: hatim
its true, it gives more rights to women thatn any other system. Western world may think they are goving alot of rights but in truth they arent. Just degrading them to sex symbols IMO.

I know what you mean. Women should not be allowed to leave their homes. And on the rare occasions in which they do decide to disobey and leave, they should should be punished by stoning.

Incorrect. My religion permits women to leave the house whenever. Only should cover themselves. And physical contact with a non-relative is bad, leads to adultery and then stoning.

And Women are encoreged on some occasions to show their beauty. Like after a divroce, so the man wants her cak rr at public gatherings They are permitted to talk with men whenever. Equal rights. Should only guard thier modesty. Thats all.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: hatim
its true, it gives more rights to women thatn any other system. Western world may think they are goving alot of rights but in truth they arent. Just degrading them to sex symbols IMO.

Well, you've lost me here. Other countries allow women to be equals to men - in other words, people (looking at it from a societal view) become asexual.

No "social" rights women dont have that men have

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: hatim
Incorrect. My religion permits women to leave the house whenever. Only should cover themselves. And physical contact with a non-relative is bad, leads to adultery and then stoning.

And Women are encoreged on some occasions to show their beauty. Like after a divroce, so the man wants her cak rr at public gatherings They are permitted to talk with men whenever. Equal rights. Should only guard thier modesty. Thats all.

How nice and quaint! Do they stone them along with the homosexuals and atheists?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: hatim
its true, it gives more rights to women thatn any other system. Western world may think they are goving alot of rights but in truth they arent. Just degrading them to sex symbols IMO.

Well, you've lost me here. Other countries allow women to be equals to men - in other words, people (looking at it from a societal view) become asexual.

No "social" rights women dont have that men have

hmmmm.....

And physical contact with a non-relative is bad, leads to adultery and then stoning.

can men have physical contact with other men?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: trexpesto
All organized religions SUCK and their followers are TOOLS without the ability or willingness to FORM AN ORIGINAL AND AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCE OF THE UNIVERSE. EDIT: or to deal with infinite uncertainty...
"Dude's gettin a Dell"

advice: Get physcological and grammatical help

 

[oreagan]

Originally posted by: hatim
If I were you, I would stop discussing muslim states. Because none exists at this point in hostory. If one emerges, we will see what goes on.
For now, I have been taught "To respect, support, obey" every thing the country of residence has granted upon us"

This, I think is the greatest difference between the world views here.

In America, we're taught to question, debate and improve everything the government does. A good way to combat corruption. There has been and always will be some corruption in America, of course, but not nearly as much as there will be in a society of "support and obey."

Historically, any society that aggressively seeks uniformity in its population grows weaker and fails. For reference: every single theistic government in world history. Specific example: France. When Louis XIV expelled the Huguenots (Protestants) from France, the Prussian king welcomed them in. Spain's economy and empire set into a major decline and Prussian fortunes rose dramatically. It's one of the major themes of history (and biology, for that matter) - variety is strength, uniformity leads to extinction.