Why fight America's war?

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But you wont admit that the US governments actions were "immoral" even after the death of over 1000 of our fellow citizens, all based on lies?

Wow, you are so blinded. Of course it was immoral, just as it would be immoral to object to ridding a country of a ruthless dictator for economic and power reasons.

Actions imposed by an outside force has no bearing on the wishes of the Iraqi people. Would you feel the same way if Saddam invaded this country and held elections?

How do you know what the Iraqi people wish for? Oh, I forgot! You are the official spokesman! I would suppose many of them are happy that Saddam is gone and now have the possibility to determine some part of their country's future.


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFLMAO!

Even the US official releases have stopped referring to insurgents as foreign elements. Thats like saying the Kurds and the Shiites went at Saddam by themselves, without the support of United States!

So you are denying that there are no foreign elements acting as insurgents in Iraq?

At least you have accepted that Iraqis (albeit some) ARE resisting the US. Thats something I have made you aware of. And my logic constitutes people standing up against the country's leaders, Confederates stood against the Union, Iranians against the Shah. By my logic, it would be Iraqis against Saddam, not against the US. How do you veer off the point? Hopefully, I have made you aware what civil war is. If not, here you go:

Civil war: a war between different sections or parties of the same country or nation.

LOL!!!!!

Your logic is horrendous. You realized that you were wrong and now you have to ammend it to only fit your narrow criteria. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

Let's say that the US backs with directy military action a group of Iraqis that ruthlessly annihilate the population. Acccording to your wonderful logic, nobody should do anything about it. I love your logic. According to you, nobody should have done anything in Rwanda, nobody should do anything in Sudan. The people should have stopped those genocides if they really wanted to. What wonderful logic! Oh, how wonderful! You see, people just wanted to be a part of a genocide. They just wanted to be eradicated, erased from existence. Hopefully I have shown how idiotic you are being right now. You are quite welcome for this educational lesson that I have just given you.
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Sultan

Ofcourse they should, I am merely suggesting that this current administration needs to do the US people a favor and resign.

Because you are afraid they will be reelected? Or you'd just prefer to have no government until January?

I am afraid that they will be reelected, but they should resign because they lied.

Say it with me:

I.... did not.... have... sexual relations... with... that woman.

Clinton perjured himself, and the proper response was that he was impeached. If there are enough people out there that believe, like you obviously do, that President Bush lied, perhaps he should be impeached, too. That's the process.

If we go dumping our governement at the drop of a hat every time some people get their panties in a wad about the President, we'll be just as bad as these constantly-in-civil-war countries.

Its pretty obvious this administration lied. George Tenet has resigned because he misled the government. Other senior officials should do the same because they misled the American people. I understand impeachment as a process. The impeachment process against Clinton was very fair. Sad the same has not happened with Bush. But that shouldnt stop him and his staff to tender their resignations
 
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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Under Islam, people of the book only have to pay a jizah, a tax to live and freely practice their religion.

What about people not of the book? Just curious.

Islam = the new communism, at least in the eyes of America.

Well I would say that Extremist/Fundamentalist Islam = the new communism

Anyways, the same can be argued about Christianity. Inquistion anyone?

Well thankfully the US and many other modern countries are not fundamentalist Christian as a whole.
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: Sultan
At least you have accepted that Iraqis (albeit some) ARE resisting the US. Thats something I have made you aware of. And my logic constitutes people standing up against the country's leaders, Confederates stood against the Union, Iranians against the Shah. By my logic, it would be Iraqis against Saddam, not against the US. How do you veer off the point? Hopefully, I have made you aware what civil war is. If not, here you go:

Civil war: a war between different sections or parties of the same country or nation.

What do all of these have in common:
the United States Civil War (War of Northern Aggression)
the Spanish Civil War
the United States Revolution

That's right - none of those were fought solely by the "two sides" combatting.
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee


Say it with me:

I.... did not.... have... sexual relations... with... that woman.

Clinton perjured himself, and the proper response was that he was impeached. If there are enough people out there that believe, like you obviously do, that President Bush lied, perhaps he should be impeached, too. That's the process.

If we go dumping our governement at the drop of a hat every time some people get their panties in a wad about the President, we'll be just as bad as these constantly-in-civil-war countries.

Its pretty obvious this administration lied. George Tenet has resigned because he misled the government. Other senior officials should do the same because they misled the American people. I understand impeachment as a process. The impeachment process against Clinton was very fair. Sad the same has not happened with Bush. But that shouldnt stop him and his staff to tender their resignations

...so we can have no government until January, right? Maybe the same hasn't happened with Bush because not everyone agrees with you.

BTW, wouldn't Tenet really be called part of the prior administration?
 

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Ozoned, ask yourself when did the crusaders began their conquest, do you konw? it happened after the fall of the Abbasid dynasty by the hands of the mongols. Now lets see according to history the Abbasid had a good relations with many Western Kingdoms in which they shared many things. Remember that the Abbasid where very powerful, I mean they had a lot of gold. If you're saying that the crusaders where defanding Christianity againts Islam then this is just BS! They attack the Islamic world when it was very weak. The Crusaders where led by many Kings of Europe who didn't give a damn thing about religion or anything in that matter, they wanted to become as powerful as ever. Abuse religion for power!
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: hatim
mongose you just got chewed by a cobra.

No I didn't.

I feel sorry for you, Hatim. So brainwashed that it's not even funny...

I may regret this soon enough, but for once Mongoose is almost sounding like the voice of reason
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Under Islam, people of the book only have to pay a jizah, a tax to live and freely practice their religion.

What about people not of the book? Just curious.

invite them to Islam, then Kill

Islam = the new communism, at least in the eyes of America.

Well I would say that Extremist/Fundamentalist Islam = the new communism

Extremists are just frustated people with a mental disorder

Anyways, the same can be argued about Christianity. Inquistion anyone?

Well thankfully the US and many other modern countries are not fundamentalist Christian as a whole.

Christianity is an old religion. Gay preists? How low can they get?
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Under Islam, people of the book only have to pay a jizah, a tax to live and freely practice their religion.

What about people not of the book? Just curious.

invite them to Islam, then Kill

Islam = the new communism, at least in the eyes of America.

Well I would say that Extremist/Fundamentalist Islam = the new communism

Extremists are just frustated people with a mental disorder

Anyways, the same can be argued about Christianity. Inquistion anyone?

Well thankfully the US and many other modern countries are not fundamentalist Christian as a whole.

Christianity is an old religion. Gay preists? How low can they get?

How low can *you* go?

I'm sure there are no gay Muslim clerics :roll:
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: hatim
invite them to Islam, then Kill

Wow, how humane. :roll: Anyone that believes such a notion is fundamentally idiotic and brainwashed.

Extremists are just frustated people with a mental disorder

Alright.

Christianity is an old religion. Gay preists? How low can they get?

Sorry to break it to you, Mr. I Hate All Atheists, but I'm not even Christian. Much of the modern world is not governed under any sort of Christian law or mandate.

Gay priests? I don't really care. I don't mind homosexual people at all. Would you want to kill them along with the atheists? I'm sure that many people could make similar derogatory statements concerning Muslim religious leaders.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Under Islam, people of the book only have to pay a jizah, a tax to live and freely practice their religion.

What about people not of the book? Just curious.

invite them to Islam, then Kill

Islam = the new communism, at least in the eyes of America.

Well I would say that Extremist/Fundamentalist Islam = the new communism

Extremists are just frustated people with a mental disorder

Anyways, the same can be argued about Christianity. Inquistion anyone?

Well thankfully the US and many other modern countries are not fundamentalist Christian as a whole.

Christianity is an old religion. Gay preists? How low can they get?

How low can *you* go?

I'm sure there are no gay Muslim clerics :roll:

The punnishment for being gay is throwind the criminals over a cliff, and throwing a rock over them. I know thats harsh, but gaydom the biggest cause of diseases.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: hatim

The punnishment for being gay is throwind the criminals over a cliff, and throwing a rock over them. I know thats harsh, but gaydom the biggest cause of diseases.

lol
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: hatim

The punnishment for being gay is throwind the criminals over a cliff, and throwing a rock over them. I know thats harsh, but gaydom the biggest cause of diseases.

...and you're looking for support from the liberal side?
 
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Originally posted by: hatim
The punnishment for being gay is throwind the criminals over a cliff, and throwing a rock over them. I know thats harsh, but gaydom the biggest cause of diseases.

I thought that being an atheist was the biggest crime?

Nice to know that now you want to kill all atheists and homosexuals now. If you're any representation of the people of where you are from, then I feel sorry for those countries. Hopefully you aren't.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: hatim
The punnishment for being gay is throwind the criminals over a cliff, and throwing a rock over them. I know thats harsh, but gaydom the biggest cause of diseases.

I thought that being an atheist was the biggest crime?

Nice to know that now you want to kill all atheists and homosexuals now. If you're any representation of the people of where you are from, then I feel sorry for those countries. Hopefully you aren't.

You'll never be a fundamentalist until you can fathom at least a half-dozen things that are all the worst possible thing in the world.

Geez, don't you pay attention in indoctrination class?

edit - typo
 

Sultan

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Wow, you are so blinded. Of course it was immoral, just as it would be immoral to object to ridding a country of a ruthless dictator for economic and power reasons.

It would be immoral for you not to object to the murder of over 10000 Iraqis for economic and power reasons. When you agree that it was for economic and power reasons, why do you not object?



How do you know what the Iraqi people wish for? Oh, I forgot! You are the official spokesman! I would suppose many of them are happy that Saddam is gone and now have the possibility to determine some part of their country's future.

I DONT know what the Iraqi people wish for and therefore I keep telling you to drop this issue about the BETTERMENT of the Iraqi people. Let me paste what I have said before:

Drop it because it is not for the US to decide, nor up to you or I. I dont see any betterment of Iraq, and frankly, I wont. Because Iraq is halfway across the world, CNN shows one thing, FOX another, Al-Jazeera another. So you'll never know, nor will I. Thats why, drop it. This point is very subjective. And only the Iraqi people will be the judge of that. And if they thought removing Saddam was for their betterment, they'd have done it. Dont say that they couldnt because Saddam was brutal. Iraqis are now fighting against the world's superpower, on the streets of Basra, Najaf, Baghdad, etc, etc.

Did you read the part about me saying neither you nor I will know about the betterment of Iraq? Your supposition dont translate into facts on the ground. You dont know it. I dont know it. So there is no argument about Iraqis being better off or not better off. For all I would know, all Iraqis might have gold toilet bowls by now. But maybe they wont call THAT being better off.

So you are denying that there are no foreign elements acting as insurgents in Iraq?

Did I? I thought I read you say the Iraqis tried standing up against Saddam?

Your logic is horrendous. You realized that you were wrong and now you have to ammend it to only fit your narrow criteria. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

You are wrong. I never heard an Iraqis cry in unison "Oh America, save us, save us". I have Iraqi friends here, and they're upset at US forces being in their country. Infact, they say Saddam was our problem, we'd have dealt with him. Are you an Iraqi?
Let's say that the US backs with directy military action a group of Iraqis that ruthlessly annihilate the population. Acccording to your wonderful logic, nobody should do anything about it. I love your logic.

Do you not understand that the US went at this alone (or what you call a "coalition")? Rwanda and Sudan had and have causes for military intervention, regardless of economic gain. Face it buddy, this war was for oil. We didnt go into Rwanda. And we didnt and arents doing anything about Sudan. France, Russia and Germany were not the only countries opposing the Iraq war. And they all opposed it because there was no grounds for it.

If (according to polls) 45% of Americans dont like Bush, would you like - lets say - Mr. Chirac coming in and bombarding the White House to please the 45% of Americans? I'd consider a loss of 1000 soldiers as genocide by George Bush. Hey, I bet the world would be more in consensus for that than they were for the Iraq war. And the world doesnt just mean Americans.

And wait till I actually thank you before welcoming me That time has yet to come.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: hatim
The punnishment for being gay is throwind the criminals over a cliff, and throwing a rock over them. I know thats harsh, but gaydom the biggest cause of diseases.

I thought that being an atheist was the biggest crime?

Nice to know that now you want to kill all atheists and homosexuals now. If you're any representation of the people of where you are from, then I feel sorry for those countries. Hopefully you aren't.


about that Atheist bit. Some clarification. This applies to Prisoners of war after they refuse invitation to Islam.

Shirk (or relateing anything to GOD) is the biggest crime, but you can't punnish anyone for that can you?
 
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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: hatim
The punnishment for being gay is throwind the criminals over a cliff, and throwing a rock over them. I know thats harsh, but gaydom the biggest cause of diseases.

I thought that being an atheist was the biggest crime?

Nice to know that now you want to kill all atheists and homosexuals now. If you're any representation of the people of where you are from, then I feel sorry for those countries. Hopefully you aren't.

You'll never be a fundamentalist until you can fathom at least a half-dozen things that are all the worst possible thing in the world.

Geez, don't you pay attention in indoctrination class?

edit - typo

No, I guess I just skipped indoctrination and brainwashing 101
 
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Originally posted by: hatim
about that Atheist bit. Some clarification. This applies to Prisoners of war after they refuse invitation to Islam.

Shirk (or relateing anything to GOD) is the biggest crime, but you can't punnish anyone for that can you?

That's still sad and pathetic. It must be horrible to grow up as a person full of hate and discrimination.
 

3chordcharlie

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Step 1: Convert the heathens
Step 2: Execute them before they can sin again
Step 3: Prophet?
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: hatim
about that Atheist bit. Some clarification. This applies to Prisoners of war after they refuse invitation to Islam.

Shirk (or relateing anything to GOD) is the biggest crime, but you can't punnish anyone for that can you?

That's still sad and pathetic. It must be horrible to grow up as a person full of hate and discrimination.

suit urslelf. Its better than Prisoner abuse and torture that USA army is doing in IRAQ and CUBA
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee


Say it with me:

I.... did not.... have... sexual relations... with... that woman.

Clinton perjured himself, and the proper response was that he was impeached. If there are enough people out there that believe, like you obviously do, that President Bush lied, perhaps he should be impeached, too. That's the process.

If we go dumping our governement at the drop of a hat every time some people get their panties in a wad about the President, we'll be just as bad as these constantly-in-civil-war countries.

Its pretty obvious this administration lied. George Tenet has resigned because he misled the government. Other senior officials should do the same because they misled the American people. I understand impeachment as a process. The impeachment process against Clinton was very fair. Sad the same has not happened with Bush. But that shouldnt stop him and his staff to tender their resignations

...so we can have no government until January, right? Maybe the same hasn't happened with Bush because not everyone agrees with you.

BTW, wouldn't Tenet really be called part of the prior administration?

we can have a new government starting tomorrow. the earlier the better.

or maybe the same hasnt happened because a lot of people will make a lot of money in the oil that comes through from iraq.

no, not if that prior administration is not existing anymore. he is/was part of the current admin.
 
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